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September 02, 2022, 04:14:05 PM


Tell me - have you moved into the genre of "pseudo-scientific humorous fiction, for people who trust everything" for a long time? You are amazing at writing this style Smiley
But answer 1 simple question... No, two questions:
1. How is the yuan secured? (I will hint - what is the oriented economy and what does it depend on)
2. Why do all Russian criminals, from Putin to his kliptomaniac friends, keep their savings not in rubles and yuan, but in "depreciating dollars? Smiley
I checked a few facts about Putin - and got to know about him being spy. He has a different mind set. I am not sure how these people spend their normal life.
Do they even sleep and eat like we do. Or are they always under stress? But than again - they don't want anyone to replace them anyway.
Read it somewhere that Putin is suffering from some imbalance disease too.
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I even heard about problems with producing nitrogen fertilizers in many factories across the Europe because about 60% of the production cost is gas itself.
 Most of gas prices skyrocketed so hard that some companies are reducing their production, and obviously overall higher cost of fertilizer means less food or more expensive food: which is already a huge problem thanks to the inflation.

It looks like it may interact with the issue of dramatic food cost production which is concerning for me, but Im sure it will be addressed by people.
Just read a post - where it is mentioned that Germany tested their first Hydrogen train..
What a quick development. That is how the nation grow - the other keep repenting on the spill milk.
That is the real spirit - I think with this emerge new ideas and ways for less dependency on the oil and gas.
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The availability of gas in this case is enough to determine, who can replace Russia, the state of Africa and Qatar both have opportunities, if both can provide gas according to demand, the problem is that Africa does not have enough infrastructure in terms of supporting all these needs, While Qatar has everything and is possible to be at the front line.
But inventory supply will be a major problem, how many countries can provide demand and be able to provide it

Qatar has LNG but its very much expensive as compared to Russian gas. EU is very much dependent on Russian gas and its silly to say EU can survive this winter without Russian gas. They need to move towards Russia since importing LNG means building LNG terminals and infrastructure that can take time.
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In a couple of days a lot of things could be clarified. The fate of US and EU economy depends on Iran's decision whether to remove the sanctions on the West or keep them there to increase the pressure. Removal could mean oil below $50 otherwise the $100+ is the price that the Western world has to get used to.

After 3 years the Chinese president Xi Jinping is traveling to West Asia and the results of the visit would determine a lot of things.
It's hard to predict the results too. What we know so far:
- Al-Saud is going to be given incentives to shift their sales to China and use CNY instead of USD which means US dollar is going to continue to dump more which means more inflation which means more inflation exports to Europe which means more inflation in EU.
- Some Russian sanctions were eased by Europe in a total media silence (exactly why I call the Western media a heavily censored one) which may be because they already predict the previous point and want to be able to replace the Saudi oil with Russian again
- China has been pulling out of US economy. At least $500 billion was pulled out of US stock market in the past couple of days alone. Both the Chinese government and the private sector are slowly pulling out.
- Finally we have Iran that would make the big difference. If JCPOA is signed and then Iran agrees to increase imports to the West the price would fall and all China did would be undone and their plans to invade Taiwan with decreased consequences would fall apart. But this is unlikely and the pressure on EU and US would most probably remain high. Meaning Iran would increase exports to China while not allowing Al-Saud to increase exports to EU either. The result of all the above means invasion of Taiwan in a couple of months and EU+US economy falling apart faster (US is already in a recession) then both Iran and Saudis would have the upper hand not to mention that higher energy prices that means a much bigger profit for all energy exporters.

So I'll wait to see what the result of this visit is going to be. It turns out sending Pelosi to Taiwan only ensured China that they can't take back Taiwan peacefully like they did Hong Kong.


Tell me - have you moved into the genre of "pseudo-scientific humorous fiction, for people who trust everything" for a long time? You are amazing at writing this style Smiley
But answer 1 simple question... No, two questions:
1. How is the yuan secured? (I will hint - what is the oriented economy and what does it depend on)
2. Why do all Russian criminals, from Putin to his kliptomaniac friends, keep their savings not in rubles and yuan, but in "depreciating dollars? Smiley
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I even heard about problems with producing nitrogen fertilizers in many factories across the Europe because about 60% of the production cost is gas itself.
 Most of gas prices skyrocketed so hard that some companies are reducing their production, and obviously overall higher cost of fertilizer means less food or more expensive food: which is already a huge problem thanks to the inflation.

It looks like it may interact with the issue of dramatic food cost production which is concerning for me, but Im sure it will be addressed by people.
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I think Europe is working on alternatives from newer gas suppliers like azerbaizan, there is an undersea pipeline something called Nord stream 1. The way green energy is penetrating. I think, in a few decades we might not need Russian gas.
You mean "Azerbaijan"? That's not really a country, it is more like a tiny city. They don't really have gas either, we are currently providing their gas. Not to mention that even if they had any, they wouldn't be allowed to sell anything to EU considering the fact that it is a "fake country" created by soviet union by separating it from Iran and we are waiting for an excuse to take it back...
Since when Azerbaijan started providing gas to other part of the world?
EU is rushing to the other countries since there is no alternative - but to join hand with Russia again. I was not in the favour of sanction when EU was at the top gare to  put sanctions on Russia - Russia survived and EU is in trouble.
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I think Europe is working on alternatives from newer gas suppliers like azerbaizan, there is an undersea pipeline something called Nord stream 1. The way green energy is penetrating. I think, in a few decades we might not need Russian gas. But yes for this europeans have to thake some really strict steps and self discipline themselves. But yes it will be worth the effort and will allow us to reach reduced emission levels.


Decades? But the winter is coming in a few months, and it's projected that electricity and heating prices will increase, exceeding current prices by 80% more. Plus what about winter 2023? The sanctions by the U.S. and Western Europe on Russia is what caused the problem, but what did the sanctions do to Russia?

Majority ownership of Nord Stream 1 and 2 belongs to Gazprom, a Russian state company.
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I think Europe is working on alternatives from newer gas suppliers like azerbaizan, there is an undersea pipeline something called Nord stream 1. The way green energy is penetrating. I think, in a few decades we might not need Russian gas.
You mean "Azerbaijan"? That's not really a country, it is more like a tiny city. They don't really have gas either, we are currently providing their gas. Not to mention that even if they had any, they wouldn't be allowed to sell anything to EU considering the fact that it is a "fake country" created by soviet union by separating it from Iran and we are waiting for an excuse to take it back...
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I think Europe is working on alternatives from newer gas suppliers like azerbaizan, there is an undersea pipeline something called Nord stream 1. The way green energy is penetrating. I think, in a few decades we might not need Russian gas. But yes for this europeans have to thake some really strict steps and self discipline themselves. But yes it will be worth the effort and will allow us to reach reduced emission levels.
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For people without the defeat of the mentality of propaganda:

In Russia today, in order to block gas supplies to the EU, gas is flared, because. it just has nowhere to go.
You ask "how is this nowhere to go" - I answer - from the largest gas supplier in the EU ... STOP ... Not the largest anymore, and Russia has also lost this status Smiley now Norway is the largest gas supplier to the EU, and will increase supplies the next 2-3 years to level the economic terrorism of Russia Smiley
So, in the most miserable country, among the countries that supply gas, the gas transmission network is primitive and cannot redirect excess gas, for example, to China. And also this miserable country does not have enough storage for gas. And they are technologically backward, so the conservation of wells is a synonym for them - to destroy gas wells, because. on their own, without Western technology, they will not be able to de-mothball the wells, and no one will sell technology to terrorists! Smiley
You do not understand anything in the technologies of oil and gas production. Even from an oil well, it is possible to reduce the oil intake in a fairly wide range without the need for costly and time-consuming conservation of the well. And with gas it’s even easier - they screwed on the valve and the gas stopped flowing, they opened the valve and the gas flows again.


That is why gas is burned in gas fields, on a huge scale! Please do not confuse it with the painful fantasies of the "cheers of the patriots of Russia", where they are trying to pass it off as technological torches that actually burn part of the gas as part of the production process. Let's just estimate the scale of flared gas?
So: one "Russian cheer patriot" wants to say, and he means only one station (he doesn't know about the others), that 4.34 million cubic meters are burned at the Gazprom LNG Portovaya station. m of fuel daily simply according to the technical process! Smiley
The plant is located near the compressor station at the beginning of the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. Gas from here went to Germany, but in mid-July, supplies were temporarily stopped. The cost of flared gas is about 10 million dollars a day. or $300 million per MONTH. Or 3.6 billion dollars a year! Does the truth ring true about "technological incineration"?! Smiley
Do you like to count money in someone else's pocket? And what else is left for you to do, living in a bankrupt country? Grin
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Do you know what Russia is doing now with these millions of cubic kilometers of gas? No, you don't know... She BURNS them! Stupidly, primitively burns, to its own detriment, but with the hope of spoiling the EU! Smiley This is the greatness of Russia Smiley
The problem is that this gas, these volumes of gas, Russia will never return, will not make a profit, but will only once again prove that Russia's "moves" are pure idiocy and terrorism Smiley But this will soon come to an end, very soon!
Are you talking about it? This is typical stupid western propaganda. This is the flare stack, which is necessary for the safety of production, burning discharges from safety valves. When gas is produced in Norway or somewhere else, such flare stacks also burn there. This is necessary in order not to poison the environment in case of a possible leakage of natural gas. Also, when oil is extracted in remote areas, associated gas is flared, because it is unprofitable to collect and transport it, plus for the same safety reasons. BP and Shell also do this.

Also in Russia, three and a half thousand memorials of the eternal flame are continuously burning in memory of the victory over fascism in World War II. But what kind of sadness is this for you, little Russophobic asshole? Grin

Yes, yes, yes, it is! Only you own the truth and no one but you! I even believe you that you came up with and manage Gazprom! Don't be too nervous, soon the doctors will make rounds of patients Smiley

For people without the defeat of the mentality of propaganda:

In Russia today, in order to block gas supplies to the EU, gas is flared, because. it just has nowhere to go.
You ask "how is this nowhere to go" - I answer - from the largest gas supplier in the EU ... STOP ... Not the largest anymore, and Russia has also lost this status Smiley now Norway is the largest gas supplier to the EU, and will increase supplies the next 2-3 years to level the economic terrorism of Russia Smiley
So, in the most miserable country, among the countries that supply gas, the gas transmission network is primitive and cannot redirect excess gas, for example, to China. And also this miserable country does not have enough storage for gas. And they are technologically backward, so the conservation of wells is a synonym for them - to destroy gas wells, because. on their own, without Western technology, they will not be able to de-mothball the wells, and no one will sell technology to terrorists! Smiley

That is why gas is burned in gas fields, on a huge scale! Please do not confuse it with the painful fantasies of the "cheers of the patriots of Russia", where they are trying to pass it off as technological torches that actually burn part of the gas as part of the production process. Let's just estimate the scale of flared gas?
So: one "Russian cheer patriot" wants to say, and he means only one station (he doesn't know about the others), that 4.34 million cubic meters are burned at the Gazprom LNG Portovaya station. m of fuel daily simply according to the technical process! Smiley
The plant is located near the compressor station at the beginning of the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. Gas from here went to Germany, but in mid-July, supplies were temporarily stopped. The cost of flared gas is about 10 million dollars a day. or $300 million per MONTH. Or 3.6 billion dollars a year! Does the truth ring true about "technological incineration"?! Smiley
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Nobody can replace Russia in the short term.
The only solution is a mixture of lowering the natural gas consumption in Europe(by implementing new technologies) and finding smaller alternative gas suppliers(like Azerbaijan). Returning to coal as a substitute of the natural gas in the power plants is a temporary solution,but it might work.
Unfortunately,the Europeans will have to deal with the fact,that the energy prices will be going up for sure,even in case of a peaceful agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
I was hearing rumors,that the increasing oil prices might boost the natural gas production in the USA.
I don't know if this true,though.

40 percentage of Europe's gas comes from Russia. No one can replace it. Now Russia is weaponizing its energy exports. But Europe is still preparing for a backup plan. They are looking at other sources. They signed important energy deals that will help Europe move away from Russian gas. Can they do it on time? It needs an expensive pipeline to transport it and it takes time. If Europe doesn't have gas by winter, they will have to revaluate everything. So the next couple of months is critical for Europe.



Do you yourself believe in this nonsense? Smiley
I can give you REAL data on European consumption of Russian gas. But I won't - you yourself will find and make sure that 40% of the gas is consumed by only a few countries from the entire EU. Yes, this is Germany and several other countries. For the majority, dependence on Russian gas is from 20% to 0% Smiley Only those countries that have sold their people in exchange for 30 pieces of silver from the Kremlin suffer ... If you do not find information, write, I will teach you how to use search engines and official data !
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Nobody can replace Russia in the short term.
The only solution is a mixture of lowering the natural gas consumption in Europe(by implementing new technologies) and finding smaller alternative gas suppliers(like Azerbaijan). Returning to coal as a substitute of the natural gas in the power plants is a temporary solution,but it might work.
Unfortunately,the Europeans will have to deal with the fact,that the energy prices will be going up for sure,even in case of a peaceful agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
I was hearing rumors,that the increasing oil prices might boost the natural gas production in the USA.
I don't know if this true,though.

40 percentage of Europe's gas comes from Russia. No one can replace it. Now Russia is weaponizing its energy exports. But Europe is still preparing for a backup plan. They are looking at other sources. They signed important energy deals that will help Europe move away from Russian gas. Can they do it on time? It needs an expensive pipeline to transport it and it takes time. If Europe doesn't have gas by winter, they will have to revaluate everything. So the next couple of months is critical for Europe.


They always say they are preparing a backup plan but winter is coming and I can say that in such a rush they have no backup at all. Their contingency plan is to expect an amnesty from Putin that will not completely block gas supplies when winter arrives. In the long run too, it is very difficult to completely give up Russian gas, no country can provide gas as cheap as Russia, that is true but they deliberately do not want to mention it for fear of humiliation. Gas prices will increase many times over and Europeans will have to experience a harsh winter like never before.
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40 percentage of Europe's gas comes from Russia. No one can replace it. Now Russia is weaponizing its energy exports. But Europe is still preparing for a backup plan. They are looking at other sources. They signed important energy deals that will help Europe move away from Russian gas. Can they do it on time? It needs an expensive pipeline to transport it and it takes time. If Europe doesn't have gas by winter, they will have to revaluate everything. So the next couple of months is critical for Europe.


Surely they can move away from Russia gas but not overnight. EU are dependent on Russia gas and it will take years to find alternate gas supplier and build infrastructure to import gas. Without Russian gas, EU will freeze to death in coming winters which is not too far. its best in interest of EU to resume gas supply from Russia.
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Nobody can replace Russia in the short term.
The only solution is a mixture of lowering the natural gas consumption in Europe(by implementing new technologies) and finding smaller alternative gas suppliers(like Azerbaijan). Returning to coal as a substitute of the natural gas in the power plants is a temporary solution,but it might work.
Unfortunately,the Europeans will have to deal with the fact,that the energy prices will be going up for sure,even in case of a peaceful agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
I was hearing rumors,that the increasing oil prices might boost the natural gas production in the USA.
I don't know if this true,though.

40 percentage of Europe's gas comes from Russia. No one can replace it. Now Russia is weaponizing its energy exports. But Europe is still preparing for a backup plan. They are looking at other sources. They signed important energy deals that will help Europe move away from Russian gas. Can they do it on time? It needs an expensive pipeline to transport it and it takes time. If Europe doesn't have gas by winter, they will have to revaluate everything. So the next couple of months is critical for Europe.
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Do you know what Russia is doing now with these millions of cubic kilometers of gas? No, you don't know... She BURNS them! Stupidly, primitively burns, to its own detriment, but with the hope of spoiling the EU! Smiley This is the greatness of Russia Smiley
The problem is that this gas, these volumes of gas, Russia will never return, will not make a profit, but will only once again prove that Russia's "moves" are pure idiocy and terrorism Smiley But this will soon come to an end, very soon!
Are you talking about it? This is typical stupid western propaganda. This is the flare stack, which is necessary for the safety of production, burning discharges from safety valves. When gas is produced in Norway or somewhere else, such flare stacks also burn there. This is necessary in order not to poison the environment in case of a possible leakage of natural gas. Also, when oil is extracted in remote areas, associated gas is flared, because it is unprofitable to collect and transport it, plus for the same safety reasons. BP and Shell also do this.

Also in Russia, three and a half thousand memorials of the eternal flame are continuously burning in memory of the victory over fascism in World War II. But what kind of sadness is this for you, little Russophobic asshole? Grin
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Do you know what Russia is doing now with these millions of cubic kilometers of gas? No, you don't know... She BURNS them! Stupidly, primitively burns, to its own detriment, but with the hope of spoiling the EU! Smiley This is the greatness of Russia Smiley
The problem is that this gas, these volumes of gas, Russia will never return, will not make a profit, but will only once again prove that Russia's "moves" are pure idiocy and terrorism Smiley But this will soon come to an end, very soon!


No One will replace Russian gas supply line, it would be a good choice for the EU to get the gas and oil line from Russia already.
BIden is already running to Saudis for Oil and gas supply - but seems like they have got a clean reply from the Saudis  as well. Winter is coming - time to think about it.
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Yesterday, gas on trading floors reached a very high price. This is a fact, it is foolish to deny reality - we are not lovers of Russian state propaganda!? Smiley
In Russia, another propaganda screeching began: "you will all freeze without Russian gas, we have defeated you." BUT, let's leave it for people with a remote brain Smiley
Now a few words about reality.
1. How the market works. More precisely, how is the PRICE formed? I will not talk about the cost, I will talk about the market price of a product, or in this case a resource, which includes a certain cost, and the rest is a margin. So the margin changes, depending on demand or demand prospects. Very briefly - the price is directly proportional to demand. In some situations, it is not even directly proportional, but geometrically, it happens, this is normal. Those. the higher the demand, the higher the price. But here I will add a nuance - demand is inversely proportional to the volume of available goods / raw materials. Those. the less demanded goods / raw materials on the market, the higher the demand and the higher the market price! I hope no one argues? And you ask - why are you telling us this?
2. I answer - in order for you to understand a hundred REALLY happening in the EU gas market. So what's going on? And here's what:
3. An international terrorist country that promotes Nazi ideology understands that it is losing both the war to Ukraine and the war against the sanctions imposed by the civilized world. Need to do something. What ? Well, you won’t be able to win, but according to the national Russian idea, if you don’t win, then you must at least spoil the enemy, well, in order to consider yourself a “winner”, do some kind of meanness, abomination, well, as terrorists should. And they do - reduce gas supplies. This of course drives up the price. Everything is right here. The only thing that is not true is that it will "save" Russia! Why ? Because by reducing the flow of gas to the EU, of course, deliberately, Russia did not find a buyer for the surplus gas, and did not reduce production. There are no buyers because the gas transmission system for the EU does not have a reverse flow to other gas transportation "sleeves".
But it cannot reduce production - due to technological backwardness from the modern world. Freezing wells for Russia is an almost irreversible process, and will mean the loss of this field forever.
Do you know what Russia is doing now with these millions of cubic kilometers of gas? No, you don't know... She BURNS them! Stupidly, primitively burns, to its own detriment, but with the hope of spoiling the EU! Smiley This is the greatness of Russia Smiley
The problem is that this gas, these volumes of gas, Russia will never return, will not make a profit, but will only once again prove that Russia's "moves" are pure idiocy and terrorism Smiley But this will soon come to an end, very soon!

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The availability of gas in this case is enough to determine, who can replace Russia, the state of Africa and Qatar both have opportunities, if both can provide gas according to demand, the problem is that Africa does not have enough infrastructure in terms of supporting all these needs, While Qatar has everything and is possible to be at the front line.
But inventory supply will be a major problem, how many countries can provide demand and be able to provide it
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^^^^ LOL.. I can understand this sudden desperation for natural gas. Europeans have shot themselves on the foot. I was checking the Dutch TTF prices, and for the last 2-3 days, they are going up like crazy.

https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futures/data?marketId=5419234&span=3

Currently natural gas is trading at $4,053 per thousand cubic meters. Can you believe this? This is almost a 40x increase compared to the prices they had in 2020. And the funny thing is that winter is still a good two-three months away. I saw some predictions claiming that natural has prices will reach $5,000 per kcu.m by the end of this year. Now it looks as if it may go up even further.
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