Topic: Why are people so eager to pay tax? - page 13. (Read 13586 times)

I pay taxes just like everyone else when I buy things like fuel and other taxed essentials.

I said I'm not taking anything from the State. Surely that makes me a good citizen since I'm not looking for a return?

the VAT is a tax on the merchant.how would he get to the store, when he don't wants to walk on the roads? fly?

and anyways, it was he who decided to not use anything that the state owns...

Everytime you buy anything in a store VAT is paid which should be enough for the roads he is walking on.

you should not walk on the streets and road that we have paid for.

You're mistaking "government" and "society". This is an error in logic that is causing an accumulation of errors in your other reasoning. One of those errors is the mistaken idea that we entered into a "contract" with a force that has no care for consent or reason.

A little Thomas Paine might set you straight:



I'd rather die in the gutter than take one penny from the State for my food, shelter, clothing and education. I make my own way, thanks.

you entered an agreement with the government when you where born, just as you did to your family.

this agreement allows you to take advantage of free education, and other public services, and the government to take taxes.

Taxes did no such thing. Money printing allowed that.

Taxes exist in the fractional reserve system as a mechanism to increase the value of the unit of account by removing some of the supply from the user base. Governments and banks can print all the money they want. They don't need our taxes to survive  but they do need to take some of our money away as means of regulating the supply of their increasingly worthless product.

+1

I am a human being, not a freeloading monkey.

Taxes have paid my education and founded a stable society that have enabled me to make a decent living, food in the stores, reliable public services etc.

A government is most certainly despotic when it dictates how citizens may or may not use their movable property. If government is worth anything, it exists, or should exist, to protect the rights of its citizens, not to infringe on their rights.

"Wealth redistribution" is just another way of saying "confiscation". Robbery is robbery, no matter if a person or a State is doing it.

i disagree with this... the government is not despotic, when it tries to redistribute wealth.

Full thought:


Not paying taxes is an enshrined right to alter or abolish a despotic government.

The State dictating what I may or may not do with my wealth when I die is a despotic government.

"all men are created equal", Thomas Jefferson.

do you agree with that statement?

when a baby is born:
a) it is born into a rich family
b) it is born poor family.
(yes i know there are degrees of rich/poor)

now say that all people are created equally, a premise of liberalism. then the baby born into the rich family have unfair advantage over the poor baby, and are therefor not equals.

in other words:
you can have either one, but not both. stop using the liberal propaganda of "every one if created equally", or surrender your inheritance.

Urm .. it's not against my political beliefs...

I believe that my family should inherit by life times work.

I do NOT believe that the government is entitled to steal 40% of it when I die.
I do NOT believe that the government is entitled to steal 100% of it when I die.

I DO believe that my family (or those that I choose) are entitled to 100% of what I leave to them.

I think what you meant to say was -

It's against YOUR political beliefs to leave anything to anyone,

That your beliefs are;

1. Everything you've worked your life for should just be burned and turned to ash.
2. You want ALL your possessions, assets/wealth, 100% to go to your government, regardless of your children, wife, spouses/friends/etc
3. When you die all your assets/wealth will be a 'free for all', which will obviously all go to the bank/government.

Now I'm guessing you didn't mean no 2 or no 3, which leaves no 1. Is that what your political belief is? I'll tell you now .. the human race will not get very far if we burn everything to ashes every time someone dies ..

Btw - no 3 already exists (in the UK anyway) if you don't leave a will (spoken or written).

edit: read your 'divide to 50 people'

I think you mean something along the lines of - "when someone dies their wealth should be divided amongst the rest of the populace." The problem with that is that people will go "fuck no!" And it would destroy the economy.

Example: Why should I bother working when all my assets/wealth will get split amongst people I do not know and for all I know do NOT work or do anything but sit on their asses waiting for random inheritance to come into their pocket.

So I don't work, and become like them. So who does the work? (knowing all their work will go into random pockets). Why bother working? To provide a better life for myself? I can sit on my arse and wait for inheritance from random people, why should anyone work.. but then there's no labour, no income..

Well stated. Thank you.

Trying to make people "equal" results in what happened in China during the Cultural Revolution. The Soviet Union suffered the same fate.

There's an old saying I abide by:

People actively not paying taxes are actually contributing to the evolution of the government without knowing it! When you dont pay tax you starve the government and forces it to become more efficient. Thats something economists should make research on - the efficiency of low tax vs high tax countries.

as i answered before: I don't know, it could just "vanish", given away to a 50 random strangers, given to the state, given to a "good" course. i don't care, im just stating that inheritance of wealth does not go well with your people are born equal. you can only have one of the options.

Then who gets my wealth when I die if I'm not allowed to leave it to my family?