Topic: Why are people so eager to pay tax? - page 14. (Read 13657 times)

Hmm.. then what do you propose happens to someones wealth/assets when they die? It all goes to the government?

Spoken like a true statist. Steal everything from people when they die. Wonderful! Make certain that people live in poverty, or at least help ensure poverty.

Why take a solid ass-fucking with a chainsaw if you can avoid it?

If a thousand [citizens] were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible.

    This sad situation developed after my departure from South Africa, but my idea of having permanent funds for public institutions underwent a change long before this difference arose. And now after considerable experience with the many public institutions which I have managed, it has become my firm conviction that it is not good to run public institutions on permanent funds. A permanent fund carries in itself the seed of the moral fall of the institution. A public institution means an institution conducted with the approval, and from the funds, of the public. When such an institution ceases to have public support, it forfeits its right to exist. Institutions maintained on permanent funds are often found to ignore public opinion, and are frequently responsible for acts contrary to it. In our country we experience this at every step. Some of the so-called religious trusts have ceased to render any accounts. The trustees have become the owners, and are responsible to none. I have no doubt that the ideal is for public institutions to live, like nature, from day to day. The institution that fails to win public support has no right to exist as such. The subscriptions that an institution annually receives are a test of its popularity and the honesty of its management, and I am of opinion that every institution should submit to that test. But let no one misunderstand me. My remarks do not apply to the bodies which cannot, by their very nature, be conducted without permanent buildings. What I mean to say it that the current expenditure should be found from subscriptions voluntarily received from year to year.

I don't fully agree with taxes, because of what they stand for and because of the extent they're used for. BUT I will pay them (when I have to) so that my wealth/assets (and those that have families) don't get stolen and so that I don't lose my liberty.

"Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Hey .. 40% inheritance tax in the UK (yes, its sick) - how about starting a business

"Want your inheritance to go to your spouses/relatives 100%? Then do it through Bitcoin!"

if you want people to be born equal, then the wealth of the parents should not be transferred to the children.

"Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

All these threads about "how do I pay tax" sound like a cacophonous symphony of masochists screaming "Rape me! No, rape me first!"

if you want people to be born equal, then the wealth of the parents should not be transferred to the children.

"Want your inheritance to go to your spouses/relatives 100%? Then do it through Bitcoin!"

I'd only worry about state and local authorities for those in the US doing business in a regulated domain. Personal users should keep their bitcoin info and earnings as far from government ears as possible.

Anyone that tells a government about money that the government doesn't know about in order to pay taxes to said government is a fool. Wishing violence on people because you disagree with them is about what I'd expect from someone that wants to take it up the pooper from The State.

it is also immoral for the fortune 500 companies...

If large companies are avoiding taxes people think they are cheating. When someone has the ability through the way they setup their business or the country they have their business i, others without that possibility are sure they are cheating.

Accounting is not always an exact science, tweaking the uncertainties to your own advantage is about the limit of what is concerned legal, within limits!

Bitcoin is new, so in my opinion people should file as they were boy scouts to get maximum goodwill from authorities. That will be beneficiary in the long run.

Bitcoin is new, so in my opinion people should file as they were boy scouts to get maximum goodwill from authorities.

There's a serious disconnect here...

There is NO reason to assume that AVOIDING tax is the same as CHEATING tax.

There are plenty of ways to avoid tax without being a "cheat". Sure, many people won't take advantage of the legal ways to get around being gang raped for more than they need to pay, but that doesn't necessitate that just because YOU didn't take advantage of those ways that other people are cheats.

Again, this is just more buying into common misperceptions.

If you can avoid tax, why not? Large corporations do it all the time.'

Why is it ok for a fortune 500 company to do something, but it's "immoral" or "unethical" for you to do it?

I say BS. If you don't work the system, it will work you. Just take advantage of the ways to avoid tax that are available. There are LOTS of ways.

Try this on for size - if you don't pay you fair share of taxes then you are a freeloader, and I hope your house burns down, or you die in the street after being hit by a car, or some other fate that is deserving of someone who's willing to take the benefits of living in a society but isn't willing to contribute to the financial upkeep thereof.

There's a serious disconnect here...

There is NO reason to assume that AVOIDING tax is the same as CHEATING tax.

There are plenty of ways to avoid tax without being a "cheat". Sure, many people won't take advantage of the legal ways to get around being gang raped for more than they need to pay, but that doesn't necessitate that just because YOU didn't take advantage of those ways that other people are cheats.

Again, this is just more buying into common misperceptions.

If you can avoid tax, why not? Large corporations do it all the time.'

Why is it ok for a fortune 500 company to do something, but it's "immoral" or "unethical" for you to do it?

I say BS. If you don't work the system, it will work you. Just take advantage of the ways to avoid tax that are available. There are LOTS of ways.

I am in the UK and have not yet cashed out any coin.

However when I do, I understand from a phone call to the HMRC and a cross check of their website, that I will be needing to pay capital gains tax over a certain tax free threshold, reset annually.

So although there is no 'Bitcoin Tax' the act of changing Bitcoin in to Fiat creates a Capital Gain.

So I just have to make sure that I stick within the £10k or so annual threshold and I don't pay a penny.

However, if I do happen to need to or want to exceed that threshold, will I pay the tax? Of course I fucking will, I don't need or want the hassle of a fine or jail time. Anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, a total imbecile.