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Quote from: tjtonmoy on October 23, 2023, 10:39:11 AM

Quote from: Odohu on October 22, 2023, 04:34:18 PM

The idea that Bitcoin is risky is what I find so confusing. In what ways do you think Bitcoin is risky? If you invest in real estate, you will give it some years before you break even. But if the investment is in Bitcoin, the profits will be expected within a short time... why the double standard? Since the advent of Bitcoin, anyone who invested in Bitcoin and allow a period of five to ten years is surely in good profits, where then is the risk?

The post gave a good example of the risk associated with real estate that was never envisaged. That is to show that even though Bitcoin is erroneously assumed to be risky and real estate safer, the reverse might actually be the case.

Losing phrase key, losing assets, losing access to the wallet, getting scammed or hacked, market volatility, panic sell, driven by emotion, and also many more. These are some issues that come with Bitcoin investment. You can be all cautious you want but in the end something could happen unexpectedly. It is online related, so anything could happen at any given time. If these are not the risks that come with Bitcoin then I don't know what is. This thing could be avoided with little bit of security measurement, but unexpected things happens.

And nothing is risk-free. Every investment people do carry some kind of risks. Some carries more some carries less. And when it comes to holding Bitcoin for a longer period of time, how one can be sure that nothing will happen in that given time? We have to accept the risks and invest what we feel like is the best. Technically, not theoretically. You never know if you don't try.

In addition to the risks you mentioned, even the future of bitcoin is not guaranteed. For an asset that is only 15 years old and not yet widely recognized, it's hard to say anything.

The higher the profit, the higher the risk, there is no investment that is super safe and highly profitable. If bitcoin is really so safe that there is no such risk, I wonder if OP would sell all his assets to invest it all in bitcoin? Because if he is sure about bitcoin there is no risk then he should sell his house and invest in bitcoin then he will have 3 houses, LOL.

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Quote from: Odohu on October 22, 2023, 04:34:18 PM

Quote from: tjtonmoy on October 22, 2023, 11:27:02 AM

Those who are confident enough to take risks, they can choose Bitcoin as the main investment. And those who want to stay on the safe side they can go for real estate investment.

The idea that Bitcoin is risky is what I find so confusing. In what ways do you think Bitcoin is risky? If you invest in real estate, you will give it some years before you break even. But if the investment is in Bitcoin, the profits will be expected within a short time... why the double standard? Since the advent of Bitcoin, anyone who invested in Bitcoin and allow a period of five to ten years is surely in good profits, where then is the risk?

The post gave a good example of the risk associated with real estate that was never envisaged. That is to show that even though Bitcoin is erroneously assumed to be risky and real estate safer, the reverse might actually be the case.

Maybe for you, bitcoin is not too risky, but as we know, bitcoin is a volatile coin, or its price is volatile. I prefer bitcoin to the real state, but I disagree with you saying bitcoin is not risky. Maybe not for you, but for other bitcoin holders or normal people that are starting to explore bitcoin, it would be risky for them, and it is also considered not safe all the time. Remember, bitcoin also has pros and cons, and not everyone could take the risk or manipulate the risk for their own good. Also short time? Not always. If you really aim for a big profit in bitcoin, it will take a long time, depending on your holdings, of course. So I'd say bitcoin is still risky, depending on whether the person who's investing in it is new or not. The wrong move could cost the investor, you also.

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Quote from: Out of mind on October 23, 2023, 12:05:27 AM

If you invest in real asset, it will give you maximum security and no risk. If you invest $1000 in Bitcoin, you have risk and volatility. Moreover, if you invest in real estate, you will not get much profit, but it will be safe. And if you invest in bitcoins, you can earn good amount of profit from here, but instead you will have risk for your money. Also, you can't invest small amount of money in real estate, but you can invest in Bitcoin with that amount and make profit. Real Asset has many advantages which you will not get in crypto investment, but if you invest in Bitcoin you will get good profit after long time. That's why I think it would be admirable not to invest in real asset with a small amount of money, but rather invest in Bitcoin.

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Risk-free? What about liquidity? Certain real estate properties can be challenging to find buyers for at our purchase price, perhaps due to less strategic locations or our less-than-stellar negotiation skills. To yield results, I believe there's nothing without risk. Even when you think that the real estate business is straightforward or even easier than Bitcoin, you need to consider various factors like maintenance, legal documentation, taxes, and the like.

If everyone perceives real estate as a profitable venture, you can be certain that there will be plenty of competitors. Don't assume that when you invest in real estate, there won't be competitors ready to challenge you at any moment. Business doesn't always unfold as we envision, my friend. So, being realistic is essential, unless you possess the resilience to bear the risks when truly committing to the real estate business.

For me, at the moment, Bitcoin seems preferable.

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Quote from: Out of mind on October 23, 2023, 12:05:27 AM

If you invest in real asset, it will give you maximum security and no risk. If you invest $1000 in Bitcoin, you have risk and volatility. Moreover, if you invest in real estate, you will not get much profit, but it will be safe. And if you invest in bitcoins, you can earn good amount of profit from here, but instead you will have risk for your money. Also, you can't invest small amount of money in real estate, but you can invest in Bitcoin with that amount and make profit. Real Asset has many advantages which you will not get in crypto investment, but if you invest in Bitcoin you will get good profit after long time. That's why I think it would be admirable not to invest in real asset with a small amount of money, but rather invest in Bitcoin.

But I disagree with the part I put in bold. Once it is called investing to make a profit, there is no investment without risk. Risk is more or less, but there is no such thing as no risk. Real estate or gold both have risks but it will be much smaller than bitcoin but as you said, everything is proportional. High risk high profit, low risk low profit. And I agree with you that, with small capital, investing in real assets is difficult or impossible when it comes to real estate, but with bitcoin it is too easy. Bitcoin is friendlier than other assets.

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Quote from: Odohu on October 22, 2023, 04:34:18 PM

The idea that Bitcoin is risky is what I find so confusing. In what ways do you think Bitcoin is risky? If you invest in real estate, you will give it some years before you break even. But if the investment is in Bitcoin, the profits will be expected within a short time... why the double standard? Since the advent of Bitcoin, anyone who invested in Bitcoin and allow a period of five to ten years is surely in good profits, where then is the risk?

The post gave a good example of the risk associated with real estate that was never envisaged. That is to show that even though Bitcoin is erroneously assumed to be risky and real estate safer, the reverse might actually be the case.

Losing phrase key, losing assets, losing access to the wallet, getting scammed or hacked, market volatility, panic sell, driven by emotion, and also many more. These are some issues that come with Bitcoin investment. You can be all cautious you want but in the end something could happen unexpectedly. It is online related, so anything could happen at any given time. If these are not the risks that come with Bitcoin then I don't know what is. This thing could be avoided with little bit of security measurement, but unexpected things happens.

And nothing is risk-free. Every investment people do carry some kind of risks. Some carries more some carries less. And when it comes to holding Bitcoin for a longer period of time, how one can be sure that nothing will happen in that given time? We have to accept the risks and invest what we feel like is the best. Technically, not theoretically. You never know if you don't try.

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If you invest in real asset, it will give you maximum security and no risk. If you invest $1000 in Bitcoin, you have risk and volatility. Moreover, if you invest in real estate, you will not get much profit, but it will be safe. And if you invest in bitcoins, you can earn good amount of profit from here, but instead you will have risk for your money. Also, you can't invest small amount of money in real estate, but you can invest in Bitcoin with that amount and make profit. Real Asset has many advantages which you will not get in crypto investment, but if you invest in Bitcoin you will get good profit after long time. That's why I think it would be admirable not to invest in real asset with a small amount of money, but rather invest in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on October 20, 2023, 12:23:33 AM

Bitcoin's independence is revolutionary, especially compared to traditional investments. Being able to fully own one's assets without government interference or confiscation is a game-changer. Bitcoin's sovereignty becomes stronger in instances like yours, where governments act in self-interest without considering their subjects. This distinctive independence from centralized systems is more than a feature—its hope for folks who've been let down.

Its apparent that unfettered government power can lead to prejudiced judgments that ignore people's needs. This causes true and heartbreaking grief and frustration. However, Bitcoin's decentralization complicates their strategy. Choice that provides citizens real control changes power dynamics. For people seeking financial freedom in oppressive regimes, asset management autonomy is the way forward.

One can achieve financial freedom by trying to invest properly in bitcoin and one may not necessarily be able to reach the stage of financial freedom if utilizing traditional investments beforehand. There is quite a big difference in the advantages that both have and that is why Bitcoin was able to develop quickly after its launch. There is no interference from third parties or any securities, which is an advantage that can bring Bitcoin to the stage of financial freedom.

People do not need to depend on the government in terms of achieving financial freedom and if they understand that the presence of bitcoin could be a solution for them then this step is the right decision. The government has its own way and we can also determine our own destiny by making the right decisions in seeking financial freedom.

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Quote from: jeha2015 on October 22, 2023, 01:14:22 PM

Quote from: Best-mary on October 22, 2023, 11:34:14 AM

Estate business is also a good business and is true that Government tends to demolish an estate and claim the lamd is for the government. That happens a lot here in my country.

That's why Bitcoin is so different from this, it makes you the owner and also lead to a safer earning means as well either by participating different events like snowball or trade to add more to what you already have. You see that's one sweet thing about owning a Bitcoin and also doubling the money by adding more units to it.

It's definitely different. As you said, it could happen that real estate can be like that at any time, on the other hand, if you buy property/plantation land, it requires a lot of capital. So Bitcoin is the right and good investment for the future. Because bitcoin was created to protect value from inflation and bitcoin cannot be controlled, it could be said that bitcoin is free to protect assets. Because Fiat in various countries continues to be eroded and plummeted, at least trying to save our assets with bitcoin makes more sense.

Both estate business and bitcoin just only have this similarity of being an asset together, but one is more preferred and profitable than the other, real estate is a physical investment asset that can have any form of physical factors affecting it because it's quality needs maintenance as it often deteriorate over time, bitcoin does not need any of these because it's a digital currency decentralized and there's no specific amount to use before getting started with bitcoin investment.

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Quote from: tjtonmoy on October 22, 2023, 11:27:02 AM

Those who are confident enough to take risks, they can choose Bitcoin as the main investment. And those who want to stay on the safe side they can go for real estate investment.

The idea that Bitcoin is risky is what I find so confusing. In what ways do you think Bitcoin is risky? If you invest in real estate, you will give it some years before you break even. But if the investment is in Bitcoin, the profits will be expected within a short time... why the double standard? Since the advent of Bitcoin, anyone who invested in Bitcoin and allow a period of five to ten years is surely in good profits, where then is the risk?

The post gave a good example of the risk associated with real estate that was never envisaged. That is to show that even though Bitcoin is erroneously assumed to be risky and real estate safer, the reverse might actually be the case.

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Quote from: aoluain on October 22, 2023, 02:50:21 PM

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Real estate can also be a unprofitable investment if you buy a house in a bad area, or for example, the crime situation in this area worsens significantly, then the property will significantly lose value and renting it out will also not be profitable, since it will bring in little money.

If I am that type of buyer, I'm wasting my money. But someone who's buying a real estate needs to do research first as well just like what we do in buying bitcoin.
Knowing what kind of area you are buying that property you are interested with and if it shows up that the property is located in that densely populated area and the neighborhood there is dangerous, you just failed as a real estate investor because definitely that property value will decrease based on where it is located.

Ah you really cant compare Real estate to Bitcoin in similar terms, buying and selling
real estate can take months depending on the location and circumstances, Bitcoin is instant
in comparison.

With Bitcoin anyone can buy with as little as $20 and you can do it yourself, with a lot
of other investment vehicles there is a high chance that a third party has to be involved.

That alone should scare anyone into the self custody of Bitcoin

Yes in the case about the devaluation of a real property. He's right about it dropping in price because of what is happening in the neighborhood and we can't compare that with Bitcoin.
And another thing is the example you've said about buying it at small amounts unlike in real estate which will be requiring you with sums of money or more requirements for the mortgage.

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Quote from: Inwestour on October 22, 2023, 12:03:33 PM

Real estate can also be a unprofitable investment if you buy a house in a bad area, or for example, the crime situation in this area worsens significantly, then the property will significantly lose value and renting it out will also not be profitable, since it will bring in little money.

You are right that real estate can also cause losses if you make the wrong investment. But I think it is inappropriate to compare real estate and Bitcoin because both of them have different qualities; one has a volital nature and the other has a critical nature. But both work, but both give a profit return for investment. And both of them depend on the employee and how much they take complete steps on their part to make the investment the safest and to invest in the right place.

Whether it's Bitcoin or real estate depends on whether the loss occurs. When you don't invest wrongly, you can't lose anything. And the calamity of loss can also be caused by you. Either your ignorance is there or the loss can be caused by choosing the wrong method. The purpose is that whatever it is—Bitcoin or real estate—can lead to loss if you do not put in the full and right efforts on your part to avoid losing.

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Quote from: Inwestour on October 22, 2023, 12:03:33 PM

Real estate can also be a unprofitable investment if you buy a house in a bad area, or for example, the crime situation in this area worsens significantly, then the property will significantly lose value and renting it out will also not be profitable, since it will bring in little money.

If I am that type of buyer, I'm wasting my money. But someone who's buying a real estate needs to do research first as well just like what we do in buying bitcoin.
Knowing what kind of area you are buying that property you are interested with and if it shows up that the property is located in that densely populated area and the neighborhood there is dangerous, you just failed as a real estate investor because definitely that property value will decrease based on where it is located.

Ah you really cant compare Real estate to Bitcoin in similar terms, buying and selling
real estate can take months depending on the location and circumstances, Bitcoin is instant
in comparison.

With Bitcoin anyone can buy with as little as $20 and you can do it yourself, with a lot
of other investment vehicles there is a high chance that a third party has to be involved.

That alone should scare anyone into the self custody of Bitcoin

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Quote from: Inwestour on October 22, 2023, 12:03:33 PM

Real estate can also be a unprofitable investment if you buy a house in a bad area, or for example, the crime situation in this area worsens significantly, then the property will significantly lose value and renting it out will also not be profitable, since it will bring in little money.

If I am that type of buyer, I'm wasting my money. But someone who's buying a real estate needs to do research first as well just like what we do in buying bitcoin.
Knowing what kind of area you are buying that property you are interested with and if it shows up that the property is located in that densely populated area and the neighborhood there is dangerous, you just failed as a real estate investor because definitely that property value will decrease based on where it is located.

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It's different in nature and class. Bitcoin is a new form of asset that the world has never seen before. All these years humans have considered physical and rare objects as a valuable medium of exchange and storage of value. Bitcoin according to this theory can emerge as a new asset class that doesn't have any physical form and consists of only numbers. Other assets can be used as products of various industry but bitcoin can only be used as a medium for transferring value. What makes it unique is its limited supply and deflactionary nature in price movement.

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Quote from: Best-mary on October 22, 2023, 11:34:14 AM

Estate business is also a good business and is true that Government tends to demolish an estate and claim the lamd is for the government. That happens a lot here in my country.

That's why Bitcoin is so different from this, it makes you the owner and also lead to a safer earning means as well either by participating different events like snowball or trade to add more to what you already have. You see that's one sweet thing about owning a Bitcoin and also doubling the money by adding more units to it.

It's definitely different. As you said, it could happen that real estate can be like that at any time, on the other hand, if you buy property/plantation land, it requires a lot of capital. So Bitcoin is the right and good investment for the future. Because bitcoin was created to protect value from inflation and bitcoin cannot be controlled, it could be said that bitcoin is free to protect assets. Because Fiat in various countries continues to be eroded and plummeted, at least trying to save our assets with bitcoin makes more sense.

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Quote from: Inwestour on October 22, 2023, 12:03:33 PM

Quote from: Blitzboy on October 22, 2023, 05:16:46 AM

Comparing real estate and Bitcoin isnt easy. You made key ideas, but we need to dive deeper. Real estate is the tried-and-true investment. Its worth comes from its tangibility, age-old appeal, and economic stability. Real estate goes beyond plots and constructions to socioeconomic factors.

Bitcoin is the outlier, dark horse, and mystery. The benefits? perhaps astronomical. The risks? There might be a little, perhaps. Its more than just protecting your digital money or learning the technology. Managing digital currency in a changing environment is difficult. Real estate may be safe, but Bitcoin? For those who can embrace the future.

Real estate can also be a unprofitable investment if you buy a house in a bad area, or for example, the crime situation in this area worsens significantly, then the property will significantly lose value and renting it out will also not be profitable, since it will bring in little money.

Any type of investment requires the investor to have the necessary knowledge in order for the investment to be profitable. The same applies to Bitcoin, those who bought it at $15k-$20k are already in profit and this is just the beginning, and those who start buying at $40k-$50k or even more expensive will be in completely different conditions.

The problem is that one need to understand where they are putting there money or else the wrong things might happened to our investment. Those that are been investing in real estate knows how to go about it that is why we need to where we are putting our money before we invest. Some investors mostly make mistake when they don't want to make research about where they are putting there Money which mostly end up with great loses. Real Estate is a good business venture and we need to understand the dos and don't of an investment before putting money.

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Even though some people will argue that Bitcoin was not created primarily as a means of investment, it has become obvious that Bitcoin presents a good investment opportunity. Many people even use Bitcoin as a hedge against fiat is plagued by inflation. One aspect that have created much argument is real estate with many saying it is more reliable than Bitcoin that they claim is risky.

I know several threads have been made in this regards with most of them moribund. I created this post because I feel so bad regarding what happened in my country. As you can see in this post and the video in it, the state government demolished an entire estate with several buildings and properties inside. This is peoples investment that just got destroyed. This was a property approved by the previous administration but demolished by the new government...another risk many people do not put into consideration in real estate and some other physical investments. This is a confirmation that Bitcoin is safer and better than many conventional investment portfolios.

Anyone still doubting the freedom, comfort, and peace that Bitcoin offers is probably yet to embrace reality.

Bitcoin is an inflation Hedge which makes it a store of value, and that differentiates it from every other investment and it has become so attractive to investors. Bitcoin is not run by any central authority, Bitcoin a total freedom.

In some cases, a compensation package is given to the affected ones, and even though they are not settled that does not mean Real estate investment is a bad investment idea as every investment comes with its own risk and this is the risk aspect of real estate investment.

The factors you highlighted are what are causing other investors' interest in Bitcoin to grow even higher. It's wonderful that we can use it for other long-term investments because the government can't do anything about it.

Here are a few instances of how we can use it to send money quickly and cheaply to various nations. In addition, he can also be employed in the traditional business that is being run.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on October 22, 2023, 05:16:46 AM

Comparing real estate and Bitcoin isnt easy. You made key ideas, but we need to dive deeper. Real estate is the tried-and-true investment. Its worth comes from its tangibility, age-old appeal, and economic stability. Real estate goes beyond plots and constructions to socioeconomic factors.

Bitcoin is the outlier, dark horse, and mystery. The benefits? perhaps astronomical. The risks? There might be a little, perhaps. Its more than just protecting your digital money or learning the technology. Managing digital currency in a changing environment is difficult. Real estate may be safe, but Bitcoin? For those who can embrace the future.

Real estate can also be a unprofitable investment if you buy a house in a bad area, or for example, the crime situation in this area worsens significantly, then the property will significantly lose value and renting it out will also not be profitable, since it will bring in little money.

Any type of investment requires the investor to have the necessary knowledge in order for the investment to be profitable. The same applies to Bitcoin, those who bought it at $15k-$20k are already in profit and this is just the beginning, and those who start buying at $40k-$50k or even more expensive will be in completely different conditions.

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