Why bitcoin mixers are only for criminals - page 5.

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Quote from: cr1776 on March 05, 2021, 02:18:38 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on March 05, 2021, 01:46:26 PM

Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.
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Everyone who tries to find an contra argument will be sad because their aren't any Wink

Privacy is not criminal, anyone who argues otherwise is probably an authoritarian fascist who wants to control everyone else. Personally, I've never used a mixer, but anyone who wants extra privacy should do so. Everyone does not have a right to know everything about everyone else. Privacy is a human right. Anyone who argues otherwise is anti human rights.

Counterarguments are many, just because you didn't come up with them, doesn't mean your final statement is accurate. It just means you didn't think it through.

If you really don't consider privacy a human right, please post your real name, address, phone number, install a camera in each room in your house and open up your firewall, and post every financial transaction, from pay to buying a meal, online, whether you've used fiat, a credit card, a check or whatever.

Sorry you are so right.....

We should support child porn. Sexual freedom! Everyone else is a anti-sexual-fredoom-for-everyone-including-pedos-blablabla

We should support drug traffickers like MS13 who kill over 50k people a year. Everyone else is RACIST, ANTI-HUMAN-BECAUSE-EVERYONE-IS-THE-SAME-LETSGO-DIRTY-HEROIN-DESTROYS-LIFE. Because people also order MS13 to cut their weed in the garden!!

We also should support darknet market were identity theft and other crimes happens. BECAUSE THERE ALSO PEOPLE BUYING THEIR GROCERIES THERE!! Everyone else is ANTI-I-BUY-DRUGS-ON-THE-DARKNET

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on March 05, 2021, 02:09:30 PM

Bitcoin designed a "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", but peoples using it to scam others. Is that fault goes to the Bitcoin or Bitcoin creator? The mixer has designed to cut the links and receive clean coins, it's mostly using by those who care about privacy. If scammers or hackers using it then really can we blame the mixers? I don't think so. Also, fiat money using for fraud attempts, but we can't blame fiat. Mixers just break the links between transactions. It would be used by criminals or by legit Bitcoin users.

The forum doesn't moderate scams, if scammers using bitcoin to scam people then should the forum stop spread the words about Bitcoin. Same about mixers, if it's using by criminals, doesn't necessary to stop advertising here.

Sorry but that are all very blank statements. First of all Bitcoin is a digital currency and not a product designed for criminals. Besides that it is very dumb for criminals to use bitcoins but that's an huge other topic. I only say that over 400 darknet markets went down due to bitcoin and a cyber criminal got arrested for ordering pizza with his bitcoin wallet. Doing crime on bitcoins is a big advantage for law enforcement. You can do more way way crimes on fiat (digital).

And we can blame the mixers. Its only used by and only designed for criminals. That's their whole business module. People running mixers got all arrested in the past, now sentencing over 10 years in federal prison.

I cant say: "Im running an marketplace called DRUGMARKET but police and nobody can't blame me for people selling illicit goods" or "Does to fault of child porn sites really goes to the creator?"

Operating a bitcoin mixer is running an criminal enterprise. Like a drug ring or something else.

Judges also not blaming the axe manufacture in a court case when a murder with an axe happened. They charge the murderer.

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Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on March 05, 2021, 01:46:26 PM

Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.
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Everyone who tries to find an contra argument will be sad because their aren't any Wink

Privacy is not criminal, anyone who argues otherwise is probably an authoritarian fascist who wants to control everyone else. Personally, I've never used a mixer, but anyone who wants extra privacy should do so. Everyone does not have a right to know everything about everyone else. Privacy is a human right. Anyone who argues otherwise is anti human rights.

Counterarguments are many, just because you didn't come up with them, doesn't mean your final statement is accurate. It just means you didn't think it through.

If you really don't consider privacy a human right, please post your real name, address, phone number, install a camera in each room in your house and open up your firewall, and post every financial transaction, from pay to buying a meal, online, whether you've used fiat, a credit card, a check or whatever.

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Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on March 05, 2021, 01:46:26 PM

Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.

The argument actually goes the other way round:
mixing in general is mainly a necessity because e.g. exchanges are complicit in the criminal act of "chainalysis" which is pretty obviously contrary to the privacy rights of e.g. European citizens.

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on March 05, 2021, 01:46:26 PM

Everyone who tries to find an contra argument will be sad because their aren't any

Sorry, I've proven you wrong.

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Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on March 05, 2021, 01:46:26 PM

Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.

I think most criminals will prefer privacy coins like XMR rather than going in the hassle of bitcoin mixing service. But again the service of bitcoin mixer is not made to use it negatively. Its just that most people use it for illegal purpose and not for the good cause.

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Bitcoin designed a "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", but peoples using it to scam others. Is that fault goes to the Bitcoin or Bitcoin creator? The mixer has designed to cut the links and receive clean coins, it's mostly using by those who care about privacy. If scammers or hackers using it then really can we blame the mixers? I don't think so. Also, fiat money using for fraud attempts, but we can't blame fiat. Mixers just break the links between transactions. It would be used by criminals or by legit Bitcoin users.

The forum doesn't moderate scams, if scammers using bitcoin to scam people then should the forum stop spread the words about Bitcoin. Same about mixers, if it's using by criminals, doesn't necessary to stop advertising here.

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I've never used a Bitcoin mixer because while I support privacy, I'm okay with my transactions being visible on Blockchain and I don't feel threatened by it. It would be very interested to see anonymous research on users of Bitcoin mixers to see who are the people who mainly use them. It might be criminals, like you say, but it might also be people who're worried about being traceable even though they don't do anything illegal (they just don't want corporations to track their actions, push products to them and stuff like that). Do you have any research showing that it's actually only used for serious crimes?

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Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.

It's very sad that this forum allows ads from coin mixers. People representing them in their signatures are also supporting criminals.

This coin mixers are used to hide transactions made from deals like drugs and child pornography or any other crimes. And nothing else.

All the instructions which can be found online are literally telling you how to avoid being trace and hide your money.

All those coin mixers are illegal only alone by the fact that they are not even a company or anything. There's no single legal address. They have no financial license. And even all the scam brokers have one.

And don't come with things like "Its also a use case for some poor guy in Iran who has to hide". That's bullshit. And you know its a lie.

Everyone knows it but many don't want to accept it. They are accepting coin mixers because they think there now some rebellious guy.

When you accept them and support them your making the world more worse.

You should not give them a chance and support someone else. Support good things.

Everyone who tries to find an contra argument will be sad because their aren't any Wink

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