Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 364.

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Quote from: popcorn1 on September 10, 2015, 01:36:47 PM

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time Cheesy

plus you said were all going to die now you say were not going to die
MAKE YOUR MIND UP YOU NUTTER..
And now your saying science will give us eternal life ...YOU SAID GOD WILL DO THIS Cheesy

SO WHICH IS IT SCIENCE OR GOD..I SAY SCIENCE..SO LOOKS LIKE YOU TALK A LOAD OF POOOOOO..
DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS Cheesy

DUMB ASS

Says the man that is not able to answer a simple question... hahaha.

I repeat: are you high?
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Quote from: popcorn1 on September 10, 2015, 01:36:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Quote from: BCEmporium on September 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM

If I based anything on wishes than I would wish eternal life to be real, don't you think?
Like you I don't like to know I will die. The difference comes on how we accept that fact.

You DON'T know that you are going to die. Just because there are a lot of dead people who were once alive, there are still loads of people alive who haven't died. So how do you know that you will die?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time. You don't know the future, because if you did... you can remember all kinds of mistakes that you have made in your life that you wouldn't have made if you knew the future. So, how do you know that you are going to die?

Further, there are many people that saw an accident coming, and they just knew they were going to die, but they survived, some without injury. Even if you commit suicide, you don't know for a fact that you are going to die. You might have a strong feeling about it. But you don't know it for a fact.

The only time you can know for a fact that you are going to die is after the fact. But you can't know it then, because you don't know anything then, right?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time Cheesy

plus you said were all going to die now you say were not going to die
MAKE YOUR MIND UP YOU NUTTER..
And now your saying science will give us eternal life ...YOU SAID GOD WILL DO THIS Cheesy

SO WHICH IS IT SCIENCE OR GOD..I SAY SCIENCE..SO LOOKS LIKE YOU TALK A LOAD OF POOOOOO..
DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS Cheesy

DUMB ASS

Now relax.

Just because you don't have the ability to think things like this out, doesn't mean that you are retarded or anything. You are probably a rather nice person, even if it is hiding down deep somewhere. And there are probably things that you excel at. Focus on the things that you are good at, and let others do the logical thinking.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Quote from: BCEmporium on September 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM

If I based anything on wishes than I would wish eternal life to be real, don't you think?
Like you I don't like to know I will die. The difference comes on how we accept that fact.

You DON'T know that you are going to die. Just because there are a lot of dead people who were once alive, there are still loads of people alive who haven't died. So how do you know that you will die?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time. You don't know the future, because if you did... you can remember all kinds of mistakes that you have made in your life that you wouldn't have made if you knew the future. So, how do you know that you are going to die?

Further, there are many people that saw an accident coming, and they just knew they were going to die, but they survived, some without injury. Even if you commit suicide, you don't know for a fact that you are going to die. You might have a strong feeling about it. But you don't know it for a fact.

The only time you can know for a fact that you are going to die is after the fact. But you can't know it then, because you don't know anything then, right?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time Cheesy

plus you said were all going to die now you say were not going to die
MAKE YOUR MIND UP YOU NUTTER..
And now your saying science will give us eternal life ...YOU SAID GOD WILL DO THIS Cheesy

SO WHICH IS IT SCIENCE OR GOD..I SAY SCIENCE..SO LOOKS LIKE YOU TALK A LOAD OF POOOOOO..
DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS Cheesy

DUMB ASS

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Quote from: legendster on May 08, 2015, 11:30:31 AM

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

Atheists don't hate religion, they don't believe on it.

And the hate is not to the religion, is to all the fuckers who abuse form the people ignorance to exploit them. Just think about all that wars in the name of god. At last religion don't leave us anything good :/

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perhaps because religion is one big part of the reason why world is so fucked up?

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Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 12:28:31 PM

I'm not sure if English is your first language, and if it isn't that would explain the communication problems. My point was clear, and it exists.

By throwing uncertainty to this thread you are only throwing more Power to atheism.

For me this thread can be closed now, but if you have more to fight... be my guest.

Thank You.

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Quote from: BitNow on September 10, 2015, 11:31:53 AM

Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 11:23:01 AM

1) Right, there's no way to prove or disprove God exists using science, but that doesn't stop many atheists (or theists for that matter) from thinking there is. Case in point, it's all over this thread.

Faith : God = Reason : Science

Your point do not exist.

Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 11:23:01 AM

2) Science doesn't disprove creationism by proving evolution. These two ideas aren't mutually exclusive or inverse to each other, so proving evolution doesn't disprove creationism. Can other aspects of religious texts be disproved? Yes, but only those things which fall within an empirical context.

Exactly: the fact that the two ideas are mutually exclusive implies that your point do not exist.

Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 11:23:01 AM

3) There are atheists who have a lack of belief in God, and those who also assert a belief that God doesn't exist. It's the latter group which I've been referencing.

I'm not saying that is the Bible that says it. => "atheists needs to die" <= I'm not saying that is the Bible that says it.

The explanation for the phrase "atheists needs to die" is found in the sin of idolatry (1st and 2nd commandements) and the punishment is death (Golden Calf episode)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

And the answer "atheists needs to die" is also the answer to the question "Why atheists hate Religion?".
(if somebody tell you that you needs to die because you are atheist I don't think you're going to love him/her, although I may be wrong in some special cases).

I think this thread can be closed now.

I'm not sure if English is your first language, and if it isn't that would explain the communication problems. My point was clear, and it exists.

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Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 11:23:01 AM

1) Right, there's no way to prove or disprove God exists using science, but that doesn't stop many atheists (or theists for that matter) from thinking there is. Case in point, it's all over this thread.

Faith : God = Reason : Science

Your point do not exist.

Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 11:23:01 AM

2) Science doesn't disprove creationism by proving evolution. These two ideas aren't mutually exclusive or inverse to each other, so proving evolution doesn't disprove creationism. Can other aspects of religious texts be disproved? Yes, but only those things which fall within an empirical context.

Exactly: the fact that the two ideas are mutually exclusive implies that your point do not exist.

Quote from: the joint on September 10, 2015, 11:23:01 AM

3) There are atheists who have a lack of belief in God, and those who also assert a belief that God doesn't exist. It's the latter group which I've been referencing.

I'm not saying that is the Bible that says it. => "atheists needs to die" <= I'm not saying that is the Bible that says it.

The explanation for the phrase "atheists needs to die" is found in the sin of idolatry (1st and 2nd commandements) and the punishment is death (Golden Calf episode)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

And the answer "atheists needs to die" is also the answer to the question "Why atheists hate Religion?".
(if somebody tell you that you needs to die because you are atheist I don't think you're going to love him/her, although I may be wrong in some special cases).

I think this thread can be closed now.

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Quote from: freeyourmind on September 10, 2015, 01:22:57 AM

Quote from: the joint on September 09, 2015, 05:34:19 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on September 09, 2015, 01:37:04 PM

@Joint
Why are you talking about science? I do not see anything in my post that mentions science! Think the closest I come to mentioning science is "bias".
This I do not understand though,now that you mention it,why do the camps need to be so clearly defined? Is there no room for people that sit out this dance
between believing and non-believing?
The problem with my posts is BitNow refuses to clarify his post and instead goes on a tirade that clouds the discussion. I will bow out to I see more rational thoughts being expressed.

I mentioned science because it's by far the most common refuge that atheists take when attempting to support their lack of belief in God. Relevant to your post, it's a refuge that lacks merit as a basis for not believing in God (i.e. scientific evidence alone doesn't suggest anything about God one way or the other).

There's room for everyone regardless of whether they believe, don't believe, don't care, or are undecided. That doesn't matter. What matters is what is true, and so we can just stick to who is right and who is wrong, and why.

I don't think that science is used to prove or disprove that god exists as there is no way to do that. It is usually used to disprove certain parts of religious text, like evolution vs. creationism or the age of the earth, and then say if that is incorrect, how can we tell the rest is true?

Regarding the attempt to support the lack of belief - having a belief in something isn't the default. Without any conditioning, I don't think many people would even think up the concept of a god, let alone a specific religious ideology. So for those that weren't conditioned from birth, there really isn't an explanation to support the lack of belief...it's just not a part of their life.

1) Right, there's no way to prove or disprove God exists using science, but that doesn't stop many atheists (or theists for that matter) from thinking there is. Case in point, it's all over this thread.

2) Science doesn't disprove creationism by proving evolution. These two ideas aren't mutually exclusive or inverse to each other, so proving evolution doesn't disprove creationism. Can other aspects of religious texts be disproved? Yes, but only those things which fall within an empirical context.

3) There are atheists who have a lack of belief in God, and those who also assert a belief that God doesn't exist. It's the latter group which I've been referencing.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:48:46 AM

We are not supposed to use God's name in vain. The word "God" is not His name. He told the Hebrew people, the Israelites, that He had one name for them to call Him by. It is listed in the Torah. Then they invented all kinds of other names for Him. God and G-d are not His names.

G-d is an English word indicating deity.

This word is derived first from Latin which, in its turn, derived from Greek as well. This word "God" was first invented in the greek version of the Bible "The Septuagint" from where the Latin and the English version are derived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

In the hebrew version of the Bible (Tanakh) the term G-d is translated with: Elohim, Adonai, El and YHWH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

Every God's name has it own different meaning. As I think we have lost a lot by incorporating all his names in one word (God) I think it is better to use the word G-d when needed instead using the uncensored version God.

I understand, now, that for you this is not the God's name but you'll never know who will be reading your thoughts so it is better to use the censored version (G-d) to respect the reader.

Hope this is clear enough.

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Quote from: BitNow on September 10, 2015, 10:33:31 AM

Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:28:51 AM

None of us lived back then. So, how can we know that Genesis applies to us?

Hey man: I have a problem believing that Jesus Chris is our Lord (the Messiah) not faith problem in the words of G-d.

I believe in G-d, is his son that I don't have too much belief in him.

Hope this is understandable English enough.

Thank You.

We are not supposed to use God's name in vain. The word "God" is not His name. He told the Hebrew people, the Israelites, that He had one name for them to call Him by. It is listed in the Torah. Then they invented all kinds of other names for Him. God and G-d are not His names.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:28:51 AM

None of us lived back then. So, how can we know that Genesis applies to us?

Hey man: I have a problem believing that Jesus Chris is our Lord (the Messiah) not faith problem in the words of G-d.

I believe in G-d, is his son that I don't have too much belief in him.

Hope this is understandable English enough.

Thank You.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on September 10, 2015, 10:26:07 AM

It doesn't mater if you die tomorrow, today or in a 1000 years from now. Nothing is eternal.

Nothing except life, that is.

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Quote from: BitNow on September 10, 2015, 10:21:20 AM

Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Quote from: BCEmporium on September 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM

If I based anything on wishes than I would wish eternal life to be real, don't you think?
Like you I don't like to know I will die. The difference comes on how we accept that fact.

You DON'T know that you are going to die. Just because there are a lot of dead people who were once alive, there are still loads of people alive who haven't died. So how do you know that you will die?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time. You don't know the future, because if you did... you can remember all kinds of mistakes that you have made in your life that you wouldn't have made if you knew the future. So, how do you know that you are going to die?

Further, there are many people that saw an accident coming, and they just knew they were going to die, but they survived, some without injury. Even if you commit suicide, you don't know for a fact that you are going to die. You might have a strong feeling about it. But you don't know it for a fact.

The only time you can know for a fact that you are going to die is after the fact. But you can't know it then, because you don't know anything then, right?

To express more clearly BADecker's thought: the Bible teaches that once you know you will die for sure ("the Genesis episode").

So if you don't know you are sure you won't die.

That's why knowledge is a dangerous weapon.

None of us lived back then. So, how can we know that Genesis applies to us?

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It doesn't mater if you die tomorrow, today or in a 1000 years from now. Nothing is eternal.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 10:12:54 AM

Quote from: BCEmporium on September 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM

If I based anything on wishes than I would wish eternal life to be real, don't you think?
Like you I don't like to know I will die. The difference comes on how we accept that fact.

You DON'T know that you are going to die. Just because there are a lot of dead people who were once alive, there are still loads of people alive who haven't died. So how do you know that you will die?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time. You don't know the future, because if you did... you can remember all kinds of mistakes that you have made in your life that you wouldn't have made if you knew the future. So, how do you know that you are going to die?

Further, there are many people that saw an accident coming, and they just knew they were going to die, but they survived, some without injury. Even if you commit suicide, you don't know for a fact that you are going to die. You might have a strong feeling about it. But you don't know it for a fact.

The only time you can know for a fact that you are going to die is after the fact. But you can't know it then, because you don't know anything then, right?

To express more clearly BADecker's thought: the Bible teaches that once you know you will die for sure ("the Genesis episode").

So if you don't know you are sure you won't die.

That's why knowledge is a dangerous weapon.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on September 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM

If I based anything on wishes than I would wish eternal life to be real, don't you think?
Like you I don't like to know I will die. The difference comes on how we accept that fact.

You DON'T know that you are going to die. Just because there are a lot of dead people who were once alive, there are still loads of people alive who haven't died. So how do you know that you will die?

Breakthroughs in science and medicine are happening all the time. You don't know the future, because if you did... you can remember all kinds of mistakes that you have made in your life that you wouldn't have made if you knew the future. So, how do you know that you are going to die?

Further, there are many people that saw an accident coming, and they just knew they were going to die, but they survived, some without injury. Even if you commit suicide, you don't know for a fact that you are going to die. You might have a strong feeling about it. But you don't know it for a fact.

The only time you can know for a fact that you are going to die is after the fact. But you can't know it then, because you don't know anything then, right?

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If I based anything on wishes than I would wish eternal life to be real, don't you think?
Like you I don't like to know I will die. The difference comes on how we accept that fact.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 09:52:21 AM

First you need to fight the way you use the English language, so that people can understand what you are talking about.

Great calm you have.

Have a productive week.

Thank You
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Quote from: BitNow on September 10, 2015, 09:47:05 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on September 10, 2015, 09:36:30 AM

But you better learn to forgive, willingly, from your heart. Because if you don't forgive, your mistakes won't be forgiven, either. Rather, they will all become capital sins.

Thank I will f.....g fight death!

Thank You.

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First you need to fight the way you use the English language, so that people can understand what you are talking about.

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