Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 365. (Read 901367 times)

The similarity between the things that we say is that we both have some knowledge. The difference is that my knowledge is based on some logical fact, while yours is based on your wishes.

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Than I will f.....g fight death!

Thank You.

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Sorry to know that death and the end of your existence frightens you so much that you need to make up heavens.
Heaven falls to the heaven paradox, and reincarnation has no use taken you will have no previous memories, and because you are the sum of your life experience, even if you reincarnate that won't be you.
Still about heavens, the place on Earth that resembles best the description is North Korea, a place where you worship an eternal tyrant with severe ego issues. Are you sure you want to be there?

Your theory that proves god actually proves nothing, randomness doesn't prove a thing. And if it does it still doesn't prove you're preaching for the right god.

no shit

But you better learn to forgive, willingly, from your heart. Because if you don't forgive, your mistakes won't be forgiven, either. Rather, they will all become capital sins.

Yes: tell the brothers of Moses in the Golden Calf episode.

You decide to forgive: this is your choice not G-d one.

I don't agree with your choice.


Thank You and best regards.

You are wrong. Atheism is NOT a capital sin. There is only ONE sin that is a capital sin, and I am not going to talk about it right now.

How do I know that atheism is not a capital sin? Because there are thousands and maybe millions of people who have turned from atheism to theism. When they do that, God forgives their sin of atheism. So, how could atheism be a capital sin if it is forgiven?

But you don't know that death is the end for a fact.

You mentioned that Heaven doesn't exist in a previous post. But it absolutely does, and you know it. How do I know you know it? You aren't blind, are you? Even in the cities at night you can see some of the stars. They are in the heavens. From at least that standpoint, Heaven exists.

Now, think about the following. As complex as we are, and as complex as our thinking is, nobody has figured out how to cause people to live for 200 years. It may happen someday. But it hasn't happened that we are aware of yet. People usually die before age 100. The point? We are very ignorant about life.

The earth has some very nice places to live, even though some other places are very rugged, virtually uninhabitable. There are some great places to live, and some times of the year that have wonderful weather. But as far as we are concerned, we don't have any ability to make the earth produced great weather for us. The point? We are very ignorant about life.

Where did life come from? We have some great ideas about evolution. But NOBODY is really close to producing a practical model... a model of how it (evolution) actually, for a fact, COULD have happened. And if we DID have a working model, we still wouldn't know that, that was how it DID happen. The point? We are very ignorant about life.

From all this talk flows the idea that simply because we have a wonderful planet, it doesn't mean that it couldn't happen somewhere else out in "Heaven," the heavens, again. Maybe it has already, and it is just waiting for us out there.

You, yourself, know that we are looking for other habitable planets around other suns. Why can't there be a better one out there somewhere? Why can't we develop a way to live youthfully for a thousand years so we have time to go out there and live the better life? What if it happens in your lifetime that we do this? The double point? We are so ignorant about life and the universe, that why couldn't there be a God that made this wonderful stuff for us, and that promises a far better Heaven if only we accept Him? We don't know that there isn't a God.

In fact, when you combine the 3 scientific laws - cause and effect, universal complexity, and universal entropy - as we know them, the result IS that there MUST be a God that made all this. If you don't believe what science clearly says, you have simply created a religion for yourself, a religion of pessimism and despair.

There is no credit in there.

Atheism is a capital sin and atheists sinners. Punishment for atheism is death as the episode of the "Golden Calf" explains very clearly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

How long are you going with making us loosing blood in a fight that could be more easily won?

"Thank You" and best regards.

:-|

I'm epicurean, I've no issues with death. Yes, we die... and that's it. Enjoy while you can.

First, we all get old and die. We would need saving from that if there were nothing else.

Salvation has to do with keeping the soul from dying. There is and eternity of pain in that. However, I'm all for freedom. It's easy to decline salvation.

I am not against atheists or anybody. If I am attacked, I fight like anyone else. But other than that, I am not hateful or vengeful toward anyone.

What in the hell makes you believe we need any saving?! 
If you want paradises, make them on Earth, because is the only reality we know. There's no point on have a living hell under a fake promise of heaven!

Wrong.

Give the atheist credit where credit is due, so that he can see that there is cordiality, and even friendship. If you don't downright make the atheist hostile toward you, there's a chance you may convince the atheist to consider your point of view. When he considers your point, there is a chance he may turn from atheism and be saved.

Then I don't need to kill you to know it, because you're an atheist. Communist doctrine is clearly atheist.

I quote that.


I disagree but that's the point.

As I said before: stops throwing uncertainty to the atheist, you are just giving more Power to them.

:-|


Best regards.

Nobody knows what God is like, except a tiny bit maybe. Science shows us that there is a great intelligence behind everything that exists. It fits a basic definition of the word "God."



Perhaps it is true that not many people would think up the idea of God on their own. But enough of them would that when they talked about it, the other people would see the logic of it. The evidence for this is the numbers of peoples of various nations, from little tribes in the Amazon rain forests, to gigantic nations like China and India.

True, not everybody has a serious idea of God. And many might simply be following tradition so that they can hold their place in society peacefully, but there are many that follow the idea that others suggest to them. If there weren't, the idea of God would not be a worldwide thing.

I don't think that science is used to prove or disprove that god exists as there is no way to do that.  It is usually used to disprove certain parts of religious text, like evolution vs. creationism or the age of the earth, and then say if that is incorrect, how can we tell the rest is true?

Regarding the attempt to support the lack of belief - having a belief in something isn't the default.  Without any conditioning, I don't think many people would even think up the concept of a god, let alone a specific religious ideology.  So for those that weren't conditioned from birth, there really isn't an explanation to support the lack of belief...it's just not a part of their life.

I'm atheist and so religion has claimed a number of my family and friends, who were otherwise cool people, but got a little too wrapped up in trying to save my lost soul

“All thinking men are atheists.”
― Ernest Hemingway, A Farewell to Arms

But, but, but... How are you going to say that you are an atheist after you are dead?