Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 362.

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Why are religious people so afraid of Atheists? Huh

Because atheism is a sin and atheist sinners (2nd commandement).

Atheism is replacing G-d with an idol and idolatry is a capital punishment for 2nd commandement.

So being an atheist is worse than murdering/raping/escrow scamming?

Mind you, I can see why religious people aren't afraid of murderers - they are the ones doing all the killing. Wink

Not worse in the direct comparison. However, atheism has no written direction to NOT do all the bad things. But most religion has some direction and directives against doing the bad things. Even Islam, with its directives to do violence, has directives for peace. Atheism doesn't have such, except on a personal level in some instances.

So the argument is without "God" humans would have no moral compass?

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Quote from: BADecker on September 08, 2015, 06:52:53 PM

Not worse in the direct comparison. However, atheism has no written direction to NOT do all the bad things. But most religion has some direction and directives against doing the bad things. Even Islam, with its directives to do violence, has directives for peace. Atheism doesn't have such, except on a personal level in some instances.

As they also have writings towards justify violence and do bad things...
From an outside perspective religious folks are more up to follow those ones than the pacific ones.

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Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 06:47:40 PM

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Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 06:19:23 PM

Why are religious people so afraid of Atheists? Huh

Because atheism is a sin and atheist sinners (2nd commandement).

Atheism is replacing G-d with an idol and idolatry is a capital punishment for 2nd commandement.

So being an atheist is worse than murdering/raping/escrow scamming?

Mind you, I can see why religious people aren't afraid of murderers - they are the ones doing all the killing. Wink

Not worse in the direct comparison. However, atheism has no written direction to NOT do all the bad things. But most religion has some direction and directives against doing the bad things. Even Islam, with its directives to do violence, has directives for peace. Atheism doesn't have such, except on a personal level in some instances.

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Yes, obviously I am an atheist.

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Quote from: BitNow on September 08, 2015, 06:46:02 PM

You are just afraid to not able to Love.

Don't take the fault on me if your Faith is broken, take the fault on yourself.

Do you at least speak English? Because your answers have nothing to do with my statements!

But no, I'm way able to love, and love what matters, not imaginary friends invented by some dark ages folks.

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Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 06:49:40 PM

I'm intelligent, so obviously yes.

I don't understand with the smiley: was your a serious answer?

Are you atheist?

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Quote from: BitNow on September 08, 2015, 06:49:01 PM

Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 06:47:40 PM

So being an atheist is worse than murdering/raping/escrow scamming?

Mind you, I can see why religious people aren't afraid of murderers - they are the ones doing all the killing. Wink

Are you atheist?

I'm intelligent, so obviously yes.

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Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 06:47:40 PM

So being an atheist is worse than murdering/raping/escrow scamming?

Mind you, I can see why religious people aren't afraid of murderers - they are the ones doing all the killing. Wink

Are you atheist?

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Quote from: BitNow on September 08, 2015, 06:21:15 PM

Quote from: Vod on September 08, 2015, 06:19:23 PM

Why are religious people so afraid of Atheists? Huh

Because atheism is a sin and atheist sinners (2nd commandement).

Atheism is replacing G-d with an idol and idolatry is a capital punishment for 2nd commandement.

So being an atheist is worse than murdering/raping/escrow scamming?

Mind you, I can see why religious people aren't afraid of murderers - they are the ones doing all the killing. Wink

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Quote from: BCEmporium on September 08, 2015, 06:41:13 PM

Lobotomy also leads to the "completion of your life"... works just like faith.
Are you sure you don't want to join ISIL or any other group of crackpots spreading "Godly love and faith" on Earth? Because statements like "atheists doesn't deserve to live" are way inline with those "love spreaders".

You are just afraid to not able to Love.

Don't take the fault on me if your Faith is broken, take the fault on yourself.

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So, even though Eve didn't sin by disobeying a directive from God in her speech with the serpent, she may have lied. Perhaps we don't have the whole conversation that God had with Adam and Eve. Perhaps God did indeed tell them to not touch the fruit. But we don't have record of it.

Why you want to know, didn't I already told you that knowledge leads to death?

Thank You.

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Quote from: the joint on September 08, 2015, 05:39:46 PM

How did Eve know that disobeying God would be wrong before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, only after which she would have known it was wrong?

"Wow"... so she didn't want to disobey: she just wanted to know death.

That was illuminating.

/OT

This wouldn't be my interpretation. Regardless, it was just a question for BADecker to ponder. How/why does someone want something if they lack any knowledge of whether it's good or bad?

Part of the answer is in entropy. The creation happened a minimum of 6,000+ years ago. We don't know exactly how much knowledge and understanding Adam and Eve were given. We don't have their kind of great ability to think, because of entropy. Until we have some detailed writings from back then, we may never know what they thought about, or the knowledge they had from God.

Sorry, not willing to entertain this answer because 1) entropy is outside of the context of this discussion, and your application of the term is misguided (i.e. learn what entropy is and why you're misusing it), and 2) you're contradicting your personal beliefs regarding your ability to interpret Genesis.

Thank you. I wasn't really interested in it either. Too busy listening to Bert Kaempfert music.

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Lobotomy also leads to the "completion of your life"... works just like faith.
Are you sure you don't want to join ISIL or any other group of crackpots spreading "Godly love and faith" on Earth? Because statements like "atheists doesn't deserve to live" are way inline with those "love spreaders".

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This wouldn't be my interpretation. Regardless, it was just a question for BADecker to ponder.

That would be awesome if that will be your interpretation as well.

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How/why does someone want something if they lack any knowledge of whether it's good or bad?

Because she was a woman?

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Quote from: BCEmporium on September 08, 2015, 06:29:51 PM

Faith and love have nothing to do with each other.
Faith and schizophrenia and death threatening people are way way more alike.
Theism, depending on its degree, should be included within psychiatric diseases.

With that you can have one night stand for sure.

Faith will lead you to completion of your Life.

Thank You.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 08, 2015, 06:28:21 PM

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Quote from: BitNow on September 08, 2015, 05:46:33 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on September 08, 2015, 05:14:18 PM

So, even though Eve didn't sin by disobeying a directive from God in her speech with the serpent, she may have lied. Perhaps we don't have the whole conversation that God had with Adam and Eve. Perhaps God did indeed tell them to not touch the fruit. But we don't have record of it.

Why you want to know, didn't I already told you that knowledge leads to death?

Thank You.

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Quote from: the joint on September 08, 2015, 05:39:46 PM

How did Eve know that disobeying God would be wrong before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, only after which she would have known it was wrong?

"Wow"... so she didn't want to disobey: she just wanted to know death.

That was illuminating.

/OT

This wouldn't be my interpretation. Regardless, it was just a question for BADecker to ponder. How/why does someone want something if they lack any knowledge of whether it's good or bad?

Part of the answer is in entropy. The creation happened a minimum of 6,000+ years ago. We don't know exactly how much knowledge and understanding Adam and Eve were given. We don't have their kind of great ability to think, because of entropy. Until we have some detailed writings from back then, we may never know what they thought about, or the knowledge they had from God.

Sorry, not willing to entertain this answer because 1) entropy is outside of the context of this discussion, and your application of the term is misguided (i.e. learn what entropy is and why you're misusing it), and 2) you're contradicting your personal beliefs regarding your ability to interpret Genesis.

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Faith and love have nothing to do with each other.
Faith and schizophrenia and death threatening people are way way more alike.
Theism, depending on its degree, should be included within psychiatric diseases.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 08, 2015, 05:14:18 PM

So, even though Eve didn't sin by disobeying a directive from God in her speech with the serpent, she may have lied. Perhaps we don't have the whole conversation that God had with Adam and Eve. Perhaps God did indeed tell them to not touch the fruit. But we don't have record of it.

Why you want to know, didn't I already told you that knowledge leads to death?

Thank You.

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Quote from: the joint on September 08, 2015, 05:39:46 PM

How did Eve know that disobeying God would be wrong before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, only after which she would have known it was wrong?

"Wow"... so she didn't want to disobey: she just wanted to know death.

That was illuminating.

/OT

This wouldn't be my interpretation. Regardless, it was just a question for BADecker to ponder. How/why does someone want something if they lack any knowledge of whether it's good or bad?

Part of the answer is in entropy. The creation happened a minimum of 6,000+ years ago. We don't know exactly how much knowledge and understanding Adam and Eve were given. We don't have their kind of great ability to think, because of entropy. Until we have some detailed writings from back then, we may never know what they thought about, or the knowledge they had from God.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on September 08, 2015, 06:21:48 PM

WHAT?!
How "lovely" of yours! And then we are the ones who doesn't know love!

I said that you CANNOT Love not that you DON'T KNOW love.

Live with the Truth and you will find Love, once you find Love you can start study it, then you'll know Love.

When you found Love you found G-d and you will believe.

You CANNOT love if you don't have Faith.

"Don't fear G-d and through Love you will find Faith": you are pretending to know Love before having Faith. That is wrong with the atheist.

Thank You.

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Eve goofed by talking to the serpent. Adam goofed by not correcting Eve's goof before it became a sin.

Eve didn't talk to the serpent. The serpent talked to Eve.

Adam didn't need to correct Eve. Adam needed to find something else to do.

If it had not been a husband/wife situation, Adam may not have been the one in authority over Eve.

Genesis 3:2,3:

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The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

So, even though Eve didn't sin by disobeying a directive from God in her speech with the serpent, she may have lied. Perhaps we don't have the whole conversation that God had with Adam and Eve. Perhaps God did indeed tell them to not touch the fruit. But we don't have record of it.

How did Eve know that disobeying God would be wrong before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, only after which she would have known it was wrong?

God had told Adam and Eve before they ate the fruit, that the day in which they ate it they would surely die. We have no record of God saying at that point that it was wrong to select death. But here is how I look at it.

It is rather easy to destroy life. People do it all the time nowadays. But it is almost impossible to make life. Perhaps we are close to it in some ways.

Since God made the complexity that was Adam and Eve, and then breathed His spirit into them, the destruction of such complexity is wrong.

However, my thinking aside, there are others, in the Bible, who call it a sin in one way or another.

But Eve wouldn't have known that the destruction of such complexity is wrong. God didn't grant her this knowledge beforehand; He simply warned her not to eat it. She wouldn't have known a distinction between whether it was better to listen to the Serpent or to God. She could only know this after eating the fruit.

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Quote from: mdgreasyjohn on September 08, 2015, 05:57:28 PM

question "Why atheist hate Religion?" who says all of them do i would say it the other way around

I tend to agree. Many atheists enjoy their religion of atheism, silly as it is.

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Quote from: BitNow on September 08, 2015, 06:16:03 PM

Atheist do not deserve to live: why are you losing time and space to do that statement?

If you are atheist, then apologies my question.

WHAT?!
How "lovely" of yours! And then we are the ones who doesn't know love!

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