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legendary
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July 18, 2015, 03:09:07 PM
Lol, what the heck, dude.  One paragraph...


The opposite reaction is therefore, not real.

... vs. other paragraph

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Newton's Third Law is about action and reaction, cause and effect.

You're not even trying anymore.  Go lay down or something.

electrons, electrolytes, chemicals, all working in the brain = reality = action

free will = illusion = reaction

For every ACTION there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

Reaction opposite action.
Illusion opposite reality.
Free will opposite brain activity.

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July 18, 2015, 03:46:18 AM
Superstition ties a mind up into logical knots, makes it about as functional as a doorknob as an engine of rationality.
I've told everyone several times to either ignore his posts or him completely. He is like a boring version of Dank (who knows where he is). I've been following this thread ever since my last reply and I rarely read something of interest/value.
I've recently stumbled upon a good quote:
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Life is not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced. - Soren Kierkegaard
In this case, the problem can't even be solved.
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July 18, 2015, 12:56:50 AM
Lol, what the heck, dude.  One paragraph...


The opposite reaction is therefore, not real.

... vs. other paragraph

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Newton's Third Law is about action and reaction, cause and effect.

You're not even trying anymore.  Go lay down or something.
Superstition ties a mind up into logical knots, makes it about as functional as a doorknob as an engine of rationality.
legendary
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July 17, 2015, 08:32:33 PM
Lol, what the heck, dude.  One paragraph...


The opposite reaction is therefore, not real.

... vs. other paragraph

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Newton's Third Law is about action and reaction, cause and effect.

You're not even trying anymore.  Go lay down or something.
legendary
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July 17, 2015, 06:19:16 PM
Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the things I say with any factual science?

Don't get me wrong. It is totally acceptable that my programming recognizes the programming, while yours doesn't. It's the way we are programmed. However, the amazing thing is that we have a little bit to do with our own programming, even though science doesn't know it, or recognize that it could be this way... in fact, doesn't even really think we do.

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No, your garbage description of how neurons work doesn't even meet the minimum threshold of credibility to warrant spending any time correcting. It's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The only refutation required is to draw attention to your post, and let people associate the uneducated nonsense within with its author.

This isn't the place to delve into the papers that explain how neurons work.

The point is that Newton's Third Law doesn't state exactly what the equal and opposite reaction is. But His Third Law implies, accurately, that for every reaction there is an equal and opposite action that caused it (it, the reaction, that is). This being the case, there are no random actions. Everything is preprogrammed, including the way that neurons fire.

Wake up and see that the idea of free will is beyond the explanation of science. Thus, science by its inadequacy for explaining free will, suggests that free will is an illusion. There is no free choice. There is only the illusion of free choice.

What? You don't believe in science? Eeeeaaaagh.

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Here's perfect example of you taking something scientific and just making stuff up without having the slightest understanding of what you're talking about.


The point is that Newton's Third Law doesn't state exactly what the equal and opposite reaction is. But His Third Law implies, accurately, that for every reaction there is an equal and opposite action that caused it (it, the reaction, that is). This being the case, there are no random actions. Everything is preprogrammed, including the way that neurons fire.
Folks like you are so good at taking peoples' focus off the point. But people are learning.


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First, yes Newton's Third Law does state exactly what the reaction is. See if you can keep up here: it is equal and opposite.
Now, look at this in a little more detail. The actions are made up of real activity - brain chemicals, electrons, etc., doing their job. The opposite reaction is therefore, not real. If it were real, it would not be an opposite reaction. The free will equal reaction is an illusion.


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Newton's Third Law describes the interaction for force pairs,
Did you get your own words? "Forced pairs." In other words, action and reaction, cause and effect.


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and the specific, exact reaction is stated as equal and opposite.
With regard to neurons firing and brain activity in general, there are countless, hundreds of thousands of actions and causes. Each one works with others to produce the outcome - the reactions, the effects - the illusion of free will. Why is it an illusion? Because it feels free, but is actually actions and reactions, causes and effects, producing the appearance of free will.


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Second, his law doesn't prove that there are no random actions. Even if you want to argue semantics on this, the point can be conceded without consequence, because doing so certainly doesn't have any application to your conclusion: everything is pre-programmed. Everything certainly is not. If you want to argue it is, you'll need something that actually supports the conclusion. Newton's Third Law isn't it.
All you have said here is "No, no no." Newton's Third Law is about action and reaction, cause and effect. These are universal. There is no evidence of anything other than action and reaction, cause and effect. Random suggests effect without cause. But there is no evidence of such.

The Great First Cause is the One Who got the whole cause and effect thing going. Nobody has substantive evidence to the opposite... the opposite that suggests that there is anything random happening. All is cause and effect.


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Third, Newton's Third Law has nothing to do with neurons firing.
Every action has to do with Newton's Third Law, because there is no action outside of the fact that there was something that caused it. This means that even the firing of neurons was caused by something or many somethings.


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Fourth, you still do not understand how neurons work.
And neither do you. If you did, you would already know about how God interacts with cause and effect without being affected by either cause or effect.


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The moral of the story here is please don't try to science without proper adult supervision. You're not mentally equipped for it.

The moral of the story is that I am not equipped to satisfactorily deal with jokers, like you, who think that they are using science, but then have no real answer or ability to make the answer plain to people.

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July 17, 2015, 03:41:15 PM
Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the things I say with any factual science?

Don't get me wrong. It is totally acceptable that my programming recognizes the programming, while yours doesn't. It's the way we are programmed. However, the amazing thing is that we have a little bit to do with our own programming, even though science doesn't know it, or recognize that it could be this way... in fact, doesn't even really think we do.

Smiley

No, your garbage description of how neurons work doesn't even meet the minimum threshold of credibility to warrant spending any time correcting. It's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The only refutation required is to draw attention to your post, and let people associate the uneducated nonsense within with its author.

This isn't the place to delve into the papers that explain how neurons work.

The point is that Newton's Third Law doesn't state exactly what the equal and opposite reaction is. But His Third Law implies, accurately, that for every reaction there is an equal and opposite action that caused it (it, the reaction, that is). This being the case, there are no random actions. Everything is preprogrammed, including the way that neurons fire.

Wake up and see that the idea of free will is beyond the explanation of science. Thus, science by its inadequacy for explaining free will, suggests that free will is an illusion. There is no free choice. There is only the illusion of free choice.

What? You don't believe in science? Eeeeaaaagh.

Smiley


Here's perfect example of you taking something scientific and just making stuff up without having the slightest understanding of what you're talking about.


The point is that Newton's Third Law doesn't state exactly what the equal and opposite reaction is. But His Third Law implies, accurately, that for every reaction there is an equal and opposite action that caused it (it, the reaction, that is). This being the case, there are no random actions. Everything is preprogrammed, including the way that neurons fire.

First, yes Newton's Third Law does state exactly what the reaction is. See if you can keep up here: it is equal and opposite. Newton's Third Law describes the interaction for force pairs, and the specific, exact reaction is stated as equal and opposite.

Second, his law doesn't prove that there are no random actions. Even if you want to argue semantics on this, the point can be conceded without consequence, because doing so certainly doesn't have any application to your conclusion: everything is pre-programmed. Everything certainly is not. If you want to argue it is, you'll need something that actually supports the conclusion. Newton's Third Law isn't it.

Third, Newton's Third Law has nothing to do with neurons firing.

Fourth, you still do not understand how neurons work.

The moral of the story here is please don't try to science without proper adult supervision. You're not mentally equipped for it.
legendary
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July 17, 2015, 12:06:39 PM
Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the things I say with any factual science?

Don't get me wrong. It is totally acceptable that my programming recognizes the programming, while yours doesn't. It's the way we are programmed. However, the amazing thing is that we have a little bit to do with our own programming, even though science doesn't know it, or recognize that it could be this way... in fact, doesn't even really think we do.

Smiley

No, your garbage description of how neurons work doesn't even meet the minimum threshold of credibility to warrant spending any time correcting. It's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The only refutation required is to draw attention to your post, and let people associate the uneducated nonsense within with its author.

This isn't the place to delve into the papers that explain how neurons work.

The point is that Newton's Third Law doesn't state exactly what the equal and opposite reaction is. But His Third Law implies, accurately, that for every reaction there is an equal and opposite action that caused it (it, the reaction, that is). This being the case, there are no random actions. Everything is preprogrammed, including the way that neurons fire.

Wake up and see that the idea of free will is beyond the explanation of science. Thus, science by its inadequacy for explaining free will, suggests that free will is an illusion. There is no free choice. There is only the illusion of free choice.

What? You don't believe in science? Eeeeaaaagh.

Smiley
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July 17, 2015, 11:13:20 AM
Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the things I say with any factual science?

Don't get me wrong. It is totally acceptable that my programming recognizes the programming, while yours doesn't. It's the way we are programmed. However, the amazing thing is that we have a little bit to do with our own programming, even though science doesn't know it, or recognize that it could be this way... in fact, doesn't even really think we do.

Smiley

No, your garbage description of how neurons work doesn't even meet the minimum threshold of credibility to warrant spending any time correcting. It's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The only refutation required is to draw attention to your post, and let people associate the uneducated nonsense within with its author.
legendary
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July 17, 2015, 06:58:27 AM
When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works.
Psych major here, I found a place I can be genuinely helpful in this conversation! I know the science on this, and the good news it's easily understood in a short 7 minute video.

Lol! Some of these video things operate in all kinds of rejection. Others don't always operate in this kind of rejection.

One of the near truths in the video is the almost-self relationship that people have with God. And this is pronounced in the Christian. Jesus and Saint Paul both talk about the believer being one with God through the work of salvation that God did. And the fact salvation is open to the unbelievers, brings them right to the edge of being part with God, at least until they die in unbelief.

By not choosing God, one does reject Him. But it is more than that. By not choosing God, one pushes the strength of life from himself/herself.

The fact of the penetration of cause and effect through out the universe (at least according to all the scientific and other knowledge we have) shows us that we don't have any choice. Cause and effect dictates even our thinking. Don't misunderstand. We have freedom of choice, but we don't understand, at all, how we do. If we understand a little, we don't at all know how to say it.

So, the video is flawed and incomplete. Why? Because all the things that are ascribed to the theist by the video, also fit the the atheist. Thus the video shows that atheism not only is a religion, but the god of the atheism religion is mankind, himself.

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July 17, 2015, 06:56:03 AM
Lets not fool around you all here know the beauty of why. And you know the beauty of why not.

Also hate is a person to person thing not all encompassing. You choose this as well.
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July 15, 2015, 11:48:14 AM
When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works.
Psych major here, I found a place I can be genuinely helpful in this conversation! I know the science on this, and the good news it's easily understood in a short 7 minute video.
legendary
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July 15, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the things I say with any factual science?

Don't get me wrong. It is totally acceptable that my programming recognizes the programming, while yours doesn't. It's the way we are programmed. However, the amazing thing is that we have a little bit to do with our own programming, even though science doesn't know it, or recognize that it could be this way... in fact, doesn't even really think we do.

Smiley
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July 15, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
The dichotomy of the human condition is while emotions give us purpose, truth is completely devoid of emotion.  So, when confronted with ambiguity e.g. a half glass, most will cling dogmatically to seeing it either as half full or half empty based on their emotional predisposition.
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July 15, 2015, 09:13:09 AM
Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.
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July 13, 2015, 10:09:11 PM
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.

Any correlation to the supposed God gene? I heard that some believe that the mark of the beast will have something that suppresses this "God gene" so those with it won't believe in God, and those without can still believe in Him.
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July 13, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
I just wanted to add my .02   

I do not believe in God but I don't hate religion.   I understand the benefit people can receive from having religion in their lives but it is something I don't subscribe to.   I don't mind going to church with my family or any thing like that.   The hate is probably more directed to those that want to argue about religion.
legendary
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July 13, 2015, 10:00:11 PM
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.
I agree.  This area of the brain is the area outside the skull.

However, religion doesn't necessarily have to do with spiritual need. Just because someone doesn't have interest in understanding what his spirit is all about, doesn't mean that he doesn't have a spirit.

The definition of "religion" from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t fits right in with what atheism is or can be within certain "realms" of atheism practice or thinking:
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religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.


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legendary
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July 13, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.
I agree.  This area of the brain is the area outside the skull.
legendary
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July 13, 2015, 08:13:58 PM
The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument
Comedy has merit, even when you're the butt of the joke.

The only other person in this thread to joke about my posts is BADecker.  I'd reflect on that.

Oh thank you. It's so lonely out here in the jokester world. Lol!

 Cheesy
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July 13, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument
Comedy has merit, even when you're the butt of the joke.

The only other person in this thread to joke about my posts is BADecker.  I'd reflect on that.
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