Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 53. (Read 901357 times)

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

In short, people as a society can progress through learning from past experiences. This includes reviewing values ​​that are no longer appropriate for the times and have the courage to change them. Moral values ​​are not something stagnant, but something that can be continually improved. The anti-religious atheists assume that the anticritic religious dogma tends to inhibit the progress of both the acceptance of both saints and the moral system. But of course, just like not all atheists are caught up in dogma, nor are all anti-religious atheists.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

i'm not an atheist but I have seriously considered being one. I was born into a christian family. In Nigeria, we have conservative Christians and liberalism. The conservatives had more strict christian practices than the liberals. We got converted from Catholicism to conservative Christianity. Mum became an enthusiast and was forcing everyone to adhere to the teachings in church but to my utter amazement she was not capable of keeping all the laws. to worsen it all I was sent to a missionary school owned by a conservative church where we were bullied into adhering to those teachings while our instructors will failed before our eyes to keep the same principles they had punished us for. I felt Christianity was a joke and wanted to try Islam. I was just waiting for an opportunity to leave home to where I can join Islam without the knowledge of my family members.

Finally, the opportunity came. I got admission to study in the university. I proposed that on getting to the university, I will join the Muslim community instead of Christians. However, on getting to the university I saw something that marveled me, Christians both conservatives and liberals worshiping God for a different reason. Prior to this time we have worshiped God for fear of going to hell but here are people worshiping God for their love for him and they were more consistent in keeping the commands of God and they didn't criticize nor mock those who were inconsistent, they rather encouraged them to keep up in order to repay God for his kindness and love to humanity. Moreso, I saw the power of God practically displayed in their midst as were told in the bible and in our churches back home. I was moved to reconsider my thoughts. I joined them and I started seeing transformations in my life and today I am a conservative Christian believer.

So in my thoughts I will say atheist were not opportuned to see the other side of things that is why they are filled with prejudice for religion. They let the weakness they saw in people inform the basis for their conclusion. Had I not had a second may be I would have been an atheist with so much indignation for Christianity or every religion.

Most people have been taught that religion is like a church to worship God, or to practice some philosophy that is written down with clear rules and dogma. Most people don't realize that the word religion was first applied to the way people live, and is still applied that way in the dictionary definition of religion. See http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.

Real atheists are probably just indifferent to religions, if they hate them they probably have a few problems going on in their minds, Why hate religions? to ignore or eventually despise is so much more appropriate...

atheists are taught in school that religion causes poverty chaos and war, and since atheists think there is only one live they dislike religions, so they tend to desire regional states to seperate themselves from the religious people.

It's not a right. It's merely a capability to some extent. It's only a right if it is right living.

When religion is used as an excuse to take away someone else's rights- Who I marry is none of your business. How I live my life is none of your business. As long as I don't infringe on your rights (and no they don't include freedom from homosexuality) I pretty much have the right to live my life the way I want to.

actually jes you can practice atheism, its like

"where the hell am i, what kind of world have i been born into"

its a live constantly searching whats going on around one.

i lived that live for a long time.

regards

People don't practice atheism. I can't answer your question with a method for doing something that isn't being done.

Still better than believing in non sense. ''Nature itself is not divine. It is an object worthy of study, not worship.'' What does that even mean?

''Our minds and senses are capable of accurately observing and understanding the world'' That one is not impossible to prove, in fact we know that our senses are not capable of accurately observing the world in many instances just like we know our minds do not work correctly sometimes, we call them mentally ill. Science studies these things, these are not just assumptions.

''The external world is real and knowable.'' This one is basically an absolute assumption otherwise what's the point of doing anything?

''The universe is orderly. There is uniformity in nature that allows us to observe past phenomena and to understand and predict future occurrences.'' As long as it works, though.

This argument and its variations imply that atheists really believe in a god but hate this god and want to rebel. First, if this were true then they would not atheists. Atheists are not people who believe in a god but are angry at it - those are just angry atheists.

All evidence based belief systems require basic fundamental assumptions that these systems rest on.

These assumptions are assumed a priori to be true and cannot be proven.

To assume something is true and derive conclusions from that assumption that you also define as true is to accept that assumption as true without proof. This is the definition of faith.

From your statement I assume that you define things as true only if they can be verified by the scientific method. The scientific method is a wonderful thing but it also rests upon unprovable assumptions.

Its discoveries are not objective truth but conditional truth and dependent on it's a priori assumptions.

I highlighted some of these assumptions in a recent post.