I'm an atheist and I don't "hate" religious people, but I do practice "conversational intolerance" when religious people say something in a conversation that doesn't make sense. If someone told me that they believed that Jimmy Hoffa is secretly the President of the United States, I could openly disagree and no one would blink an eye. But if I disagree with someone's assertion that a particular god exists, or that Jesus died for my sins, or that _____ is wrong because of their religious beliefs, I get labelled a "militant atheist." But I do it anyway sometimes because it is important to remind religious believers that there isn't a difference between belief in a god and a belief in less-popular supernatural things like unicorns and fairies. I'm not a dick about it, I don't say "you're an idiot for believing that!" I just disagree.
Why do I do this?
Because we live in a world with nuclear weapons, and we can't afford to have a global society where some people live their lives thinking that this life is irrelevant because the real prize is the afterlife.
All it takes is one suicidal religious zealot with a nuclear bomb, and a lot of innocent people are going to die. As a species, we needed to stop coddling religious belief when the atom bomb was invented. The stakes are too high now, and we can't afford the sort of nonsense that gets passed off as "religious wisdom" anymore.
Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 51. (Read 901357 times)
You don't even understand my argument, if faith in god is the only free will we have, everything else that happens to us is not in our control, it's because of god. How do you lose faith in god? Is it not because of your environment? And isn't your environment written by god?
God directs the results that happen to us because of our faith, faithfully. What I mean is, our faith is so weak that it can't do any more than be in favor of God or against Him. God perfectly looks at our faith, and makes the things happen that our faith would have done if it were strong enough.
Your first question should be, Does anybody lose faith in God? After all, to have faith that is against God still recognizes that He exists.
Environment has nothing to do with your faith. It might have a lot to do with how you display your faith.
Everything you typed makes no sense, after all I'm not going to convince a deluded person, he can just type shit like this and believe it. Perfect example of how religion destroys your mind. This is your argument:
1. We start believing in god, even when we are in the womb
2. Somehow people stop believing in god.
3. How does that happen? Their faith becomes weaker but how does their faith become weaker? Doesn't that happen because, someone told them or someone convinced them, etc etc? All of those things are controlled by god so god is making that person lose faith and he knows it because he knows everything, therefore god is responsible for everything and humans shouldn't be punished at all.
You don't even understand my argument, if faith in god is the only free will we have, everything else that happens to us is not in our control, it's because of god. How do you lose faith in god? Is it not because of your environment? And isn't your environment written by god?
God directs the results that happen to us because of our faith, faithfully. What I mean is, our faith is so weak that it can't do any more than be in favor of God or against Him. God perfectly looks at our faith, and makes the things happen that our faith would have done if it were strong enough.
Your first question should be, Does anybody lose faith in God? After all, to have faith that is against God still recognizes that He exists.
Environment has nothing to do with your faith. It might have a lot to do with how you display your faith.
''There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb.'' Oh really, do you think a fetus has the ability to think or reason to have faith? A 1 week fetus has faith in god, that's what you are saying, how fucking ridiculous is that LOL. There is absolutely 0 evidence that the clown monster I just made up didn't create the universe therefore must be true, right?
''God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him'' How do you have faith in him tho, if you already start by having faith in him then why do you lose it?
Since we know that children reason, and since we know that even little children have emotion, IQ, and faith, we clearly know that faith exists at a young age. Where does faith start? 10 years old? 9? 8? 3? 1? 1 month? 1 minute before birth? 10 minutes before birth? 10 days before birth? A month before birth? 5 months before birth? Before conception?
Show us the proof that conception itself is NOT a thing of faith. What? Somebody has some idea that a fetus is not a person at what age? Arbitrary thinking. Same with faith.
The same example that fits evolution fits faith in people. The wood carver carves a log into a chair. He chips a little chunk of wood off the log. Is the log now the chair? How about the second chip? Or the third. How about the third last chip? At what point does the log become the chair? At what point is an evolving animal the new animal and not the old? At what point is the faith strongest?
Matthew 19:14:
Quote from: http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-14.htm
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
It seems that faith is stronger in the younger.You don't even understand my argument, if faith in god is the only free will we have, everything else that happens to us is not in our control, it's because of god. How do you lose faith in god? Is it not because of your environment? And isn't your environment written by god?
''But since there is life, and emotion, and mind, and reason, all in the greatness that you find such things in mankind, there has to be a mind of God'' Why? Who says there has to be a mind of god, certainly not most physicists or scientists, do you have any evidence that there ''has to be a mind of god''?
The universe is the most complex machine made, up of many machines. Never in nature do you find less of an IQ mind developing the greater machines. Mankind with emotion, mind, and IQ way above animals develops great machines. The only example we see in the universe is machines being made by intelligence. That's all there is. God made the universe machine. No other example.
Humans designed computers that are far more complex than ourselves, what's your point? Even if the argument is that something more complex had to create the universe, it doesn't have to be a god, it just has to be more complex.
the joint, isn't empiricism the basis of metaphysics? After all, without our brain and subsequent five senses, there'd be no way of even coming up with metaphysical ideas.
Do you agree with Descartes or David Hume?
Do you agree with Descartes or David Hume?
That doesn't mean that metaphysics wasn't the thing that developed empiricism. The brain and the senses aren't anything without the mystical soul and spirit that developed them to ride in, and to use to reason.
A true atheist cannot really hate religion, because religion would just be indifferent to him. Hate is always related with something we have inside. We hate a part of ourselves. Atheists who hate religion in fact hate the religious tendencies that they are hiding inside them. And I say it being an atheist, by the way. One who is indifferent to religion.
No, abrahamic religions want to control society and are a concern for everyone involved or not
Take your sand plague back to where it belongs and don't spread it
Take you plague of atheism off the face of the earth. Atheists or near atheists like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Temujin, etc., were some of the worst plagues sent onto mankind. Atheism is the most dread religion.
''There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb.'' Oh really, do you think a fetus has the ability to think or reason to have faith? A 1 week fetus has faith in god, that's what you are saying, how fucking ridiculous is that LOL. There is absolutely 0 evidence that the clown monster I just made up didn't create the universe therefore must be true, right?
''God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him'' How do you have faith in him tho, if you already start by having faith in him then why do you lose it?
Since we know that children reason, and since we know that even little children have emotion, IQ, and faith, we clearly know that faith exists at a young age. Where does faith start? 10 years old? 9? 8? 3? 1? 1 month? 1 minute before birth? 10 minutes before birth? 10 days before birth? A month before birth? 5 months before birth? Before conception?
Show us the proof that conception itself is NOT a thing of faith. What? Somebody has some idea that a fetus is not a person at what age? Arbitrary thinking. Same with faith.
The same example that fits evolution fits faith in people. The wood carver carves a log into a chair. He chips a little chunk of wood off the log. Is the log now the chair? How about the second chip? Or the third. How about the third last chip? At what point does the log become the chair? At what point is an evolving animal the new animal and not the old? At what point is the faith strongest?
Matthew 19:14:
Quote from: http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-14.htm
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
It seems that faith is stronger in the younger. ''But since there is life, and emotion, and mind, and reason, all in the greatness that you find such things in mankind, there has to be a mind of God'' Why? Who says there has to be a mind of god, certainly not most physicists or scientists, do you have any evidence that there ''has to be a mind of god''?
The universe is the most complex machine made, up of many machines. Never in nature do you find less of an IQ mind developing the greater machines. Mankind with emotion, mind, and IQ way above animals develops great machines. The only example we see in the universe is machines being made by intelligence. That's all there is. God made the universe machine. No other example.
I never had faith in anything. I hoped things would work out, knowing the probabilities.
I guess God planned for me to be an Atheist, LOL. You and your God are funny critters.
Are you trying to say that you know everything that is going to happen to you? Are you trying to say that you never guessed wrong about anything? If you don't understand that your whole life is a life of faith, because you don't know for a fact what is going to happen even the next second, you are one of the most ignorant people around. No wonder you don't know that god exists! You really don't know much of anything, do you?
Poor analogy.
Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.
Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.
Slavery wasn't designed by the Christian religion. Rather, slavery that exists is made to be easier by the Christian religion.
Ephesians 6:5-9:
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Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
1 Corinthians 7:22:
Quote from: http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-22.htm
For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord's freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ's slave.
1 Corinthians 7:21:
Quote from: http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-21.htm
Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you--although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
When you're putting people to death for not agreeing with you, when you're putting people to death for not believing what you would have them believe it is only evident that freedom has no meaning to you. That you consider control paramount, far above human rights. And yes, I have a big problem with that.
Right! Atheists or near atheists like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Temujin, etc., did just that. Atheism is the most dread religion.
the joint, isn't empiricism the basis of metaphysics? After all, without our brain and subsequent five senses, there'd be no way of even coming up with metaphysical ideas.
Do you agree with Descartes or David Hume?
Do you agree with Descartes or David Hume?
A true atheist cannot really hate religion, because religion would just be indifferent to him. Hate is always related with something we have inside. We hate a part of ourselves. Atheists who hate religion in fact hate the religious tendencies that they are hiding inside them. And I say it being an atheist, by the way. One who is indifferent to religion.
No, abrahamic religions want to control society and are a concern for everyone involved or not
Take your sand plague back to where it belongs and don't spread it
Is that an admission that you lost?
Is that what you really think? If you think that this is about winning and losing, you not only stepped out of the discussion long ago, but by doing so, you have agreed that you don't understand the things that you are talking about.
We are talking about free will, you were not able to respond to: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37655246
You claim we have ''faith'' when we are in the womb, absolutely 0 evidence for this.
You claim ''Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.'' Which makes no sense because the amount of faith you have in Him is directly affected by any other event that is supposed to be directed by god so god himself is the one that can give you more or less faith which means you don't really have free will and he is responsible for everything.
Why should I response to something you say again, since I have responded over and over in other posts, but you simply ignore my response?
There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb. When do we start to have faith in things? You don't know that you will make it to work this morning, because you don't know for a fact that some terrorist bomber won't suicide himself within 3 feet from you. Some of the reason you go to work anyway is that you have faith and hope that nothing bad will happen to you.
When did your faith first start? Did it first start yesterday? The day before? When you were 5-y-o? When you were 3? When you were 1 minute old? Possibly before you were conceived?
You don't make any sense. Your faith was always in existence, at least since you were conceived. Nobody has any evidence to oppose this. And the fact that you have faith now, shows that you have had faith ever since before you started to think about it. When did it start for you?
God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him, and His plan for you. That's why you don't even have full control over your faith, not because God makes your faith what it is. If your faith in Him grows weaker, it is because you directed God to weaken it, by not having strong faith in Him in the first place, or maybe by direct faith request that God do so.
''There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb.'' Oh really, do you think a fetus has the ability to think or reason to have faith? A 1 week fetus has faith in god, that's what you are saying, how fucking ridiculous is that LOL. There is absolutely 0 evidence that the clown monster I just made up didn't create the universe therefore must be true, right?
''God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him'' How do you have faith in him tho, if you already start by having faith in him then why do you lose it?
God has everything to do with all mammal reproduction. It's called cause and effect, a chain of actions and reactions that operates according to the laws of physics. The impetus for your creation was set in place by God when He created the universe, via cause and effect.
I know it is what you believe. But is it true?
I studied Physics in my undergrad work I don't remember God mentioned anywhere.
You know something Physicists don't? Submit your paper and see what happens.
Is there anything other than direct God-studies that you didn't study? I mean, did you study everything about everything that is known about, but not about God?
If you really studied physics, you know that Newton's 3rd Law is recognized, and that there is noting that has proven to overcome it so far. So, for every action there is a reaction. That is exactly what cause and effect is.
Remember. We know that all material is really energy acting upon itself at the atomic and subatomic levels. So, it is energy that is acting in accord with cause and effect.
Now, consider all the complex actions and reactions that have to exist, just to make a chunk of lead hold a place in the universe. Next, combine the complexities of C&E with everything else in the universe, all at the same time. This is all standard basic physics, C&E in everything. The complexities involved are great, way beyond understanding. That they can exist is impossible in the organized fashion in which they exist, as far as anything that we understand. In other words, this whole universe is impossible, except for the fact that it exists.
If there were only inanimate objects in the universe, we could guess that there might have been an inanimate beginning. But since there is life, and emotion, and mind, and reason, all in the greatness that you find such things in mankind, there has to be a mind of God, as well. People can say "no" to God all they want, but all they are doing when they say such, is saying that the universe is impossible to exist as it does.
''But since there is life, and emotion, and mind, and reason, all in the greatness that you find such things in mankind, there has to be a mind of God'' Why? Who says there has to be a mind of god, certainly not most physicists or scientists, do you have any evidence that there ''has to be a mind of god''?
Is that an admission that you lost?
Is that what you really think? If you think that this is about winning and losing, you not only stepped out of the discussion long ago, but by doing so, you have agreed that you don't understand the things that you are talking about.
We are talking about free will, you were not able to respond to: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37655246
You claim we have ''faith'' when we are in the womb, absolutely 0 evidence for this.
You claim ''Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.'' Which makes no sense because the amount of faith you have in Him is directly affected by any other event that is supposed to be directed by god so god himself is the one that can give you more or less faith which means you don't really have free will and he is responsible for everything.
Why should I response to something you say again, since I have responded over and over in other posts, but you simply ignore my response?
There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb. When do we start to have faith in things? You don't know that you will make it to work this morning, because you don't know for a fact that some terrorist bomber won't suicide himself within 3 feet from you. Some of the reason you go to work anyway is that you have faith and hope that nothing bad will happen to you.
When did your faith first start? Did it first start yesterday? The day before? When you were 5-y-o? When you were 3? When you were 1 minute old? Possibly before you were conceived?
You don't make any sense. Your faith was always in existence, at least since you were conceived. Nobody has any evidence to oppose this. And the fact that you have faith now, shows that you have had faith ever since before you started to think about it. When did it start for you?
God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him, and His plan for you. That's why you don't even have full control over your faith, not because God makes your faith what it is. If your faith in Him grows weaker, it is because you directed God to weaken it, by not having strong faith in Him in the first place, or maybe by direct faith request that God do so.
I never had faith in anything. I hoped things would work out, knowing the probabilities.
I guess God planned for me to be an Atheist, LOL. You and your God are funny critters.
Is that an admission that you lost?
Is that what you really think? If you think that this is about winning and losing, you not only stepped out of the discussion long ago, but by doing so, you have agreed that you don't understand the things that you are talking about.
We are talking about free will, you were not able to respond to: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37655246
You claim we have ''faith'' when we are in the womb, absolutely 0 evidence for this.
You claim ''Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.'' Which makes no sense because the amount of faith you have in Him is directly affected by any other event that is supposed to be directed by god so god himself is the one that can give you more or less faith which means you don't really have free will and he is responsible for everything.
Why should I response to something you say again, since I have responded over and over in other posts, but you simply ignore my response?
There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb. When do we start to have faith in things? You don't know that you will make it to work this morning, because you don't know for a fact that some terrorist bomber won't suicide himself within 3 feet from you. Some of the reason you go to work anyway is that you have faith and hope that nothing bad will happen to you.
When did your faith first start? Did it first start yesterday? The day before? When you were 5-y-o? When you were 3? When you were 1 minute old? Possibly before you were conceived?
You don't make any sense. Your faith was always in existence, at least since you were conceived. Nobody has any evidence to oppose this. And the fact that you have faith now, shows that you have had faith ever since before you started to think about it. When did it start for you?
God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him, and His plan for you. That's why you don't even have full control over your faith, not because God makes your faith what it is. If your faith in Him grows weaker, it is because you directed God to weaken it, by not having strong faith in Him in the first place, or maybe by direct faith request that God do so.
WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?
I do not think they hate religion, just looking for the truth about all this. But I'm also not sure if their ancestors were not religious. Perhaps several generations of their ancestors who chose to get out of their religion for reasons that depict their God are not very strong. So as the longer and some more sciences are found the stronger their reason for becoming an atheist.
And as for your story, I judge that you may not be religious by looking for other truths. I often listen to the Youtube channel open discussion of a religious figure from India Dr. Zakir Naik. Perhaps you are also interested because many also discuss the religion of your parents (Hindu)
God has everything to do with all mammal reproduction. It's called cause and effect, a chain of actions and reactions that operates according to the laws of physics. The impetus for your creation was set in place by God when He created the universe, via cause and effect.
I know it is what you believe. But is it true?
I studied Physics in my undergrad work I don't remember God mentioned anywhere.
You know something Physicists don't? Submit your paper and see what happens.
Is there anything other than direct God-studies that you didn't study? I mean, did you study everything about everything that is known about, but not about God?
If you really studied physics, you know that Newton's 3rd Law is recognized, and that there is noting that has proven to overcome it so far. So, for every action there is a reaction. That is exactly what cause and effect is.
Remember. We know that all material is really energy acting upon itself at the atomic and subatomic levels. So, it is energy that is acting in accord with cause and effect.
Now, consider all the complex actions and reactions that have to exist, just to make a chunk of lead hold a place in the universe. Next, combine the complexities of C&E with everything else in the universe, all at the same time. This is all standard basic physics, C&E in everything. The complexities involved are great, way beyond understanding. That they can exist is impossible in the organized fashion in which they exist, as far as anything that we understand. In other words, this whole universe is impossible, except for the fact that it exists.
If there were only inanimate objects in the universe, we could guess that there might have been an inanimate beginning. But since there is life, and emotion, and mind, and reason, all in the greatness that you find such things in mankind, there has to be a mind of God, as well. People can say "no" to God all they want, but all they are doing when they say such, is saying that the universe is impossible to exist as it does.
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