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Quote from: Possum577 on June 15, 2015, 12:00:38 AM

You could argue that the reason the jobs pay so low is because migrant workers are willing to do them for less money but there's no evidence that if migrant workers left that wages would automatically rise.

I think you're making a broad generalization here. And what's equally important is what does this have to do with the OP's question about Islam?

The migrants are able to work for less, because in most cases they don't pay any taxes at all. The native workers sometimes pay taxes amounting to as much as 40% of their wages, thereby putting them at a disadvantage. And this has connection with the original thread, as 99% of the Mediterranean immigrants are Muslims.

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Quote from: Gronthaing on June 14, 2015, 10:02:00 PM

Not sure lack of jobs is only because of immigration. Extra people need extra services to live too. And that creates more jobs. Problem may be the time it takes for people to integrate into society. And some may not want to. But you're right. Politicians won't suffer from it. Not unless the public wakes up and throws them out of office. Though it's more likely that anti immigration policies and parties get more power instead and nothing really changes.

The migrants take away a lot of blue collar jobs from the native inhabitants. Look at the United States, most of the (native) masons and bricklayers are now unemployed, as the cheaper Mexican immigrants have taken over their jobs. And your argument that "extra people need extra services to live too" is not applicable for these immigrants. They require few services, as they live up to 8-10 people in a single room. 90% of the money they earn in the EU, will be sent back to their home countries as remittances.

This is a common point, but it lacks a lot of fact. A lot of the jobs that migrant workers do are not traditional trades like masons (you know masons and bricklayers are the same, right?) Most migrant workers in the US work in the fields, work as nanny's, dishwashers, etc. They're jobs that aren't really trades (like a mason as you mention) and they pay so low that few citizens work them anyway. You could argue that the reason the jobs pay so low is because migrant workers are willing to do them for less money but there's no evidence that if migrant workers left that wages would automatically rise.

I think you're making a broad generalization here. And what's equally important is what does this have to do with the OP's question about Islam?

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Quote from: Gronthaing on June 14, 2015, 10:02:00 PM

Not sure lack of jobs is only because of immigration. Extra people need extra services to live too. And that creates more jobs. Problem may be the time it takes for people to integrate into society. And some may not want to. But you're right. Politicians won't suffer from it. Not unless the public wakes up and throws them out of office. Though it's more likely that anti immigration policies and parties get more power instead and nothing really changes.

The migrants take away a lot of blue collar jobs from the native inhabitants. Look at the United States, most of the (native) masons and bricklayers are now unemployed, as the cheaper Mexican immigrants have taken over their jobs. And your argument that "extra people need extra services to live too" is not applicable for these immigrants. They require few services, as they live up to 8-10 people in a single room. 90% of the money they earn in the EU, will be sent back to their home countries as remittances.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 14, 2015, 09:13:33 PM

Quote from: Gronthaing on June 14, 2015, 07:04:19 PM

Maybe that will change the way things are done. Make people in power think twice before invading, bombing, destabilizing and robbing countries left and right. But no, that would be too optimistic. They will just use it as another excuse to pass more restrictive laws. And try to keep better control of the population by limiting freedoms even more.

Well, for most part, the politicians reside in gated communities within posh localities. They are not affected by the third world immigration, be it from the Sub Saharan Africa, or be it from countries such as Syria and Iraq. It is the ordinary people who suffer as a result of it, in the form of rising crime rate and lack of jobs.

Not sure lack of jobs is only because of immigration. Extra people need extra services to live too. And that creates more jobs. Problem may be the time it takes for people to integrate into society. And some may not want to. But you're right. Politicians won't suffer from it. Not unless the public wakes up and throws them out of office. Though it's more likely that anti immigration policies and parties get more power instead and nothing really changes.

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Quote from: Gronthaing on June 14, 2015, 07:04:19 PM

Maybe that will change the way things are done. Make people in power think twice before invading, bombing, destabilizing and robbing countries left and right. But no, that would be too optimistic. They will just use it as another excuse to pass more restrictive laws. And try to keep better control of the population by limiting freedoms even more.

Well, for most part, the politicians reside in gated communities within posh localities. They are not affected by the third world immigration, be it from the Sub Saharan Africa, or be it from countries such as Syria and Iraq. It is the ordinary people who suffer as a result of it, in the form of rising crime rate and lack of jobs.

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Quote from: amazon4u on June 11, 2015, 06:00:59 PM

I hope you stay in the desert for another millennia and continue your Sunni - Shia head cutting contest until you have no more heads to play with. You don't use them much anyways...

No one would be worrying if these nut jobs remain in the Middle East. But they are migrating to Europe and the North American region in huge numbers. During the last year alone, some 200,000 Syrians managed to flee to the European Union. Only god knows how many of them are ISIS sympathizers. In addition to this, there are hundreds of thousands of Mediterranean migrants.

Maybe that will change the way things are done. Make people in power think twice before invading, bombing, destabilizing and robbing countries left and right. But no, that would be too optimistic. They will just use it as another excuse to pass more restrictive laws. And try to keep better control of the population by limiting freedoms even more.

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Quote from: Anony on June 13, 2015, 07:54:27 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on December 10, 2014, 02:26:41 PM

I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate people? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because Jews, Because Christians, Because Atheists'
and Yes, I am a people's person for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE people like myself, and I could be here to clarify things to you, or not...
Also here is something that most muslims mistake about people's person like me is that "Christianity or Buddhism hate other religions" for this I say, Christianity or Buddhism does not hate ANY religion, but they suggest to 'invite' them to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because this other religion decided to come into war on Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

If you need anything clarified, I may not be here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink

In other news ->

I do not agree with you. No religion teaches to hate, fight or do anything harmful to other people, whether they are of same religion or another. Aim of every religion is to spread peace and keep a human being in order. Hatred is spread by some people and not by any particular religion. Respect every religion even if you do not agree with its philosophy. If you read all the holy-books from all the religion, you will find that they are more or less talking the same thing.

This is not true. Many are the religions of the past which encouraged human sacrifice and/or the killing and torture of perceived "enemies," even some encouraged cannibalism. Many defined strictly the geographical areas that were "sacred."

What's happened is simply that the more barbaric religions don't exist any more, so it's more or less possible to put the remaining ones in a "peace and love" category. But there are lots of variations.

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Quote from: Wilikon on December 10, 2014, 02:26:41 PM

I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate people? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because Jews, Because Christians, Because Atheists'
and Yes, I am a people's person for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE people like myself, and I could be here to clarify things to you, or not...
Also here is something that most muslims mistake about people's person like me is that "Christianity or Buddhism hate other religions" for this I say, Christianity or Buddhism does not hate ANY religion, but they suggest to 'invite' them to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because this other religion decided to come into war on Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

If you need anything clarified, I may not be here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink

In other news ->

I do not agree with you. No religion teaches to hate, fight or do anything harmful to other people, whether they are of same religion or another. Aim of every religion is to spread peace and keep a human being in order. Hatred is spread by some people and not by any particular religion. Respect every religion even if you do not agree with its philosophy. If you read all the holy-books from all the religion, you will find that they are more or less talking the same thing.

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Quote from: amazon4u on June 11, 2015, 06:00:59 PM

I hope you stay in the desert for another millennia and continue your Sunni - Shia head cutting contest until you have no more heads to play with. You don't use them much anyways...

No one would be worrying if these nut jobs remain in the Middle East. But they are migrating to Europe and the North American region in huge numbers. During the last year alone, some 200,000 Syrians managed to flee to the European Union. Only god knows how many of them are ISIS sympathizers. In addition to this, there are hundreds of thousands of Mediterranean migrants.

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Quote from: Spendulus on June 12, 2015, 11:27:22 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on June 12, 2015, 06:33:03 AM

Nope. In fact, Qur'an has not mentioned age of Earth though it mentioned about the creation time and some other things related to creation.

Would some (or all) Muslims believe that all humans descended from Adam and Eve?

Well, I can't say for *all* Muslims because in your interpretation, a Muslim is someone who claims he/she is a Muslim. However, Islamic interpretation is someone who believe in God and believe Muhammed is last messenger of God and what prophet brought. So if you ask me about Muslims according to first interpretation, then I don't think all Muslims believe it and if you ask about Muslims according to second interpretation, then I think all Muslims do believe humans are descended from Adam and Havva.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on June 12, 2015, 06:33:03 AM

Nope. In fact, Qur'an has not mentioned age of Earth though it mentioned about the creation time and some other things related to creation.

Would some (or all) Muslims believe that all humans descended from Adam and Eve?

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2. Zakir Naik does not believe in evolution.

True and TBH, I don't believe it too because it is just not true. http://x-evolutionist.com/charles-darwin-described-the-problems-with-his-theory-in-his-book-origin-of-species't/ - I haven't read whole page though. Remember, this page is not the reason why I disagree with that *theory* of evolution. AFAIK Darwin's himself said it lacks evidences to support theory. Besides, this is just a theory not a fact.

Just like the Christian science deniers, you don't understand what a scientific theory is. Theory does not mean "hypothesis." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of something in the natural world that is repeatedly tested and confirmed. Saying the theory of evolution is not a fact is just as ridiculous as saying the theory of gravity is not a fact. Unless you deny gravity too?

I do understand. "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."

No, I don't deny gravity. There is more than enough proof to believe gravity unlike Darwinism. I have looked more about Darwinism but I couldn't find valid evidences to believe it.

Your last post you just said you didn't even read the through the page of stuff against the theory of evolution. If you don't even read the things you post as evidence to back your wrong opinions, your assertion that you have looked into evolution but find it doesn't have enough evidence to support it has no weight. Luckily, there are people much more thorough in their examination of the evidence (called scientists), so you not believing in evolution is pretty worthless to objective truth.

I said that I didn't read the whole page of the link I gave though I made a quick-look. I have looked into other posts about that theory and have studied about it last year. After doing a bit of research, I think the first quote in the link I gave is out of context. I researched but I wasn't satisfied with it. That's why, I don't believe in it and I know if I didn't believe in it, nothing changes. I mentioned it so that you know. I don't like to hide my beliefs because I believe that if I am wrong in any of my belief, someone will show the wrong belief *is* wrong.

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I don't believe that - he is too much a mirror copy of Christian fundamentalists on the Islam side.

Zakir, do Muslims believe the Earth is 6000 years old?

Nope. In fact, Qur'an has not mentioned age of Earth though it mentioned about the creation time and some other things related to creation.

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Are you by chance familiar with the arguments that Western secular people have against Christian fundamentalists?

Sorry! No.

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I am curious how the believes of Muslim/Christian fundamentalists differ or are similar.

There are indeed differences between Islam and Christianity. It *might* have happened after humans started altering it.

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As a little aside, am I the only one who suspects Muhammed Zakir isn't even Muslim? This might just be a bizarre elaborate marketing scheme for bit-x. Or for Bruce Lee.

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Quote from: Spendulus on June 10, 2015, 09:18:10 AM

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on June 10, 2015, 07:51:51 AM

Wrong. That was taken out of context from Zakir Naik's speech.

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/30405

According to Zakir Naik, "In Islam, death penalty should not necessarily be evoked on every person who leaves Islam, but to those who propagate the non-Islamic faith and speak against Islam". Seems like I was slightly wrong. According to Zakir Naik, apostasy is "not necessarily" punishable by death, but criticism of Islam is.

I have listened to this nutcase Naik and agree, he is as radical as necessary to classify him as one of the Bad Guys. There is no way to claim "out of context" with Naik, his context IS RADICAL.

After talking to several non-radical Muslims, I reached this personal conclusion :

" I honestly believe that most Muslims can be radicalized regardless of their education level and their current Qur'an interpretation "

Islam is the master of all puppet-masters, because its subjects follow orders rather than think for themselves . If Zakir Naik is considered a non-radical Muslim leader by many Muslims writing on this thread, than I must conclude that you embrace his cave man practices and you are or hope to become just as radical as him.

You Muslim people here, criticize other Muslims groups like ISIS but embrace the teachings of Zakir Naik, who would be more than welcomed in ISIS with his radical views. It is actually a good thing that you associate your way of thinking with this "scholar" , because we can now catch a glimpse of the wolfs in sheep's clothing.

Islam is bad news and you guys are very deceiving at first glimpse, however your lack of logical thinking easily exposes your dirty little secret.

You are all one step away from radicalization, you just need to hear it from the right person, in this case a nutcase like Naik , in other cases an audiotape because the poor "martyr" doesn't know how to read.

I hope you stay in the desert for another millennia and continue your Sunni - Shia head cutting contest until you have no more heads to play with. You don't use them much anyways...

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Quote from: Spendulus on June 11, 2015, 12:18:48 PM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on June 11, 2015, 11:23:05 AM

As a little aside, am I the only one who suspects Muhammed Zakir isn't even Muslim? This might just be a bizarre elaborate marketing scheme for bit-x. Or for Bruce Lee.

I don't believe that - he is too much a mirror copy of Christian fundamentalists on the Islam side.

Zakir, do Muslims believe the Earth is 6000 years old? Are you by chance familiar with the arguments that Western secular people have against Christian fundamentalists?

I am curious how the believes of Muslim/Christian fundamentalists differ or are similar.

I agree. Muhammad Zakir is genuine in his beliefs. I may not agree with many of them, but I believe him to be sincere and have no reason to doubt the motives of his posts.

Spendulus asks good questions though that I have wondered myself from time to time. I bet Muslims and Christians fall in a similar place though in regards to age of the Earth, denial of evolution, and other anti-science sentiments.

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Quote from: J. J. Phillips on June 11, 2015, 11:23:05 AM

As a little aside, am I the only one who suspects Muhammed Zakir isn't even Muslim? This might just be a bizarre elaborate marketing scheme for bit-x. Or for Bruce Lee.

I don't believe that - he is too much a mirror copy of Christian fundamentalists on the Islam side.

Zakir, do Muslims believe the Earth is 6000 years old? Are you by chance familiar with the arguments that Western secular people have against Christian fundamentalists?

I am curious how the believes of Muslim/Christian fundamentalists differ or are similar.

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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.

As a little aside, am I the only one who suspects Muhammed Zakir isn't even Muslim? This might just be a bizarre elaborate marketing scheme for bit-x. Or for Bruce Lee.

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2. Zakir Naik does not believe in evolution.

True and TBH, I don't believe it too because it is just not true. http://x-evolutionist.com/charles-darwin-described-the-problems-with-his-theory-in-his-book-origin-of-species't/ - I haven't read whole page though. Remember, this page is not the reason why I disagree with that *theory* of evolution. AFAIK Darwin's himself said it lacks evidences to support theory. Besides, this is just a theory not a fact.

Just like the Christian science deniers, you don't understand what a scientific theory is. Theory does not mean "hypothesis." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of something in the natural world that is repeatedly tested and confirmed. Saying the theory of evolution is not a fact is just as ridiculous as saying the theory of gravity is not a fact. Unless you deny gravity too?

I do understand. "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."

No, I don't deny gravity. There is more than enough proof to believe gravity unlike Darwinism. I have looked more about Darwinism but I couldn't find valid evidences to believe it.

Your last post you just said you didn't even read the through the page of stuff against the theory of evolution. If you don't even read the things you post as evidence to back your wrong opinions, your assertion that you have looked into evolution but find it doesn't have enough evidence to support it has no weight. Luckily, there are people much more thorough in their examination of the evidence (called scientists), so you not believing in evolution is pretty worthless to objective truth.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 10, 2015, 07:09:02 AM

2. Zakir Naik does not believe in evolution.

True and TBH, I don't believe it too because it is just not true. http://x-evolutionist.com/charles-darwin-described-the-problems-with-his-theory-in-his-book-origin-of-species't/ - I haven't read whole page though. Remember, this page is not the reason why I disagree with that *theory* of evolution. AFAIK Darwin's himself said it lacks evidences to support theory. Besides, this is just a theory not a fact.

Just like the Christian science deniers, you don't understand what a scientific theory is. Theory does not mean "hypothesis." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of something in the natural world that is repeatedly tested and confirmed. Saying the theory of evolution is not a fact is just as ridiculous as saying the theory of gravity is not a fact. Unless you deny gravity too?

I do understand. "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."

No, I don't deny gravity. There is more than enough proof to believe gravity unlike Darwinism. I have looked more about Darwinism but I couldn't find valid evidences to believe it.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on June 10, 2015, 07:51:51 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 10, 2015, 07:09:02 AM

2. Zakir Naik does not believe in evolution.

True and TBH, I don't believe it too because it is just not true. http://x-evolutionist.com/charles-darwin-described-the-problems-with-his-theory-in-his-book-origin-of-species't/ - I haven't read whole page though. Remember, this page is not the reason why I disagree with that *theory* of evolution. AFAIK Darwin's himself said it lacks evidences to support theory. Besides, this is just a theory not a fact.

Just like the Christian science deniers, you don't understand what a scientific theory is. Theory does not mean "hypothesis." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of something in the natural world that is repeatedly tested and confirmed. Saying the theory of evolution is not a fact is just as ridiculous as saying the theory of gravity is not a fact. Unless you deny gravity too?

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