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June 26, 2015, 07:27:45 PM



Dear you didnt get my point ....
Im talking about when there is no sufficient water then our shariah derived this condition....These are the rights of non muslims...they are free in Muslims majority countries to perform their religious activities......these all are lame excuses that you raised....Dear dnt blame religion of any person...





To be born with a right is an excuse? Your position is: sharia laws give rights to non muslims. My position is: non muslims should not have to be given or taken rights from muslims...



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June 26, 2015, 07:24:37 PM
Yes shariah  told us suppose if you have one bottle water and you have to do waddu for prayer....and there is a people  who is want water then it is your duty to give them a water and make waddu with mud.....
Islam give right to women...!!!

Islam told you that this is your mother and this is your sister....These womens are haram for you...!!!

In muslims countries their is a right for non muslims to perform thetir religious activities  which is  described by Shariah...


That is nice to know. I grew up in a system where women are born automatically with the rights you are describing. No need for a verbal or written contract. Mother Nature has found a way to make me automatically haram to my own mother and my sisters, so I am good on that level too, and that was true with my father and the father of my father... They never heard of sharia laws either to act the way they acted as they were gentlemen...

Water is free (nature) where I grew up, so no one had to ask for it. In more desert places of course water is expensive and rare so I understand why it is a big deal to offer it.


I have one more thing to ask you if you may: what is Jizya?



Dear you didnt get my point ....
Im talking about when there is no sufficient water then our shariah derived this condition....These are the rights of non muslims...they are free in Muslims majority countries to perform their religious activities......these all are lame excuses that you raised....Dear dnt blame religion of any person...




Is that (bolded) actually true?

Is it only true of "people of the book?"
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June 26, 2015, 07:14:21 PM
Yes shariah  told us suppose if you have one bottle water and you have to do waddu for prayer....and there is a people  who is want water then it is your duty to give them a water and make waddu with mud.....
Islam give right to women...!!!

Islam told you that this is your mother and this is your sister....These womens are haram for you...!!!

In muslims countries their is a right for non muslims to perform thetir religious activities  which is  described by Shariah...


That is nice to know. I grew up in a system where women are born automatically with the rights you are describing. No need for a verbal or written contract. Mother Nature has found a way to make me automatically haram to my own mother and my sisters, so I am good on that level too, and that was true with my father and the father of my father... They never heard of sharia laws either to act the way they acted as they were gentlemen...

Water is free (nature) where I grew up, so no one had to ask for it. In more desert places of course water is expensive and rare so I understand why it is a big deal to offer it.


I have one more thing to ask you if you may: what is Jizya?



Dear you didnt get my point ....
Im talking about when there is no sufficient water then our shariah derived this condition....These are the rights of non muslims...they are free in Muslims majority countries to perform their religious activities......these all are lame excuses that you raised....Dear dnt blame religion of any person...




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June 26, 2015, 07:06:38 PM
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June 26, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
According to me terrorists have no religion...
You tell me any religion in the world which therepromote killing of people...??
Is there any religion......Im not talking about muslims im talking about all the religion that exists....
Have you ever think that your religion is promoting killing of people and your religion hates people...Huh

Actually I have heard that moslem should kill a kafir, and it written in Quran. I don't know exactly is it true or not. So since you is being here, you can explain the actual  Smiley Btw I never assume a moslem as my enemy, because I have some nice moslem friends. I am just curious about what the motivation by terrorists to did terrors in everywhere and what to do with Islam.

Muslims are not supposed to kill a kafir just because they are kafirs. Many of the news/articles in medias are false.


What about witnesses or victims who are also muslims? Do their voices count or not?

Let me remind you this thread is not about terrorism as you can see in post #2.



Right.  There is no need to kill the kafirs, just hate them and their nasty ways.
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June 26, 2015, 03:23:57 PM
According to me terrorists have no religion...
You tell me any religion in the world which therepromote killing of people...??
Is there any religion......Im not talking about muslims im talking about all the religion that exists....
Have you ever think that your religion is promoting killing of people and your religion hates people...Huh

Actually I have heard that moslem should kill a kafir, and it written in Quran. I don't know exactly is it true or not. So since you is being here, you can explain the actual  Smiley Btw I never assume a moslem as my enemy, because I have some nice moslem friends. I am just curious about what the motivation by terrorists to did terrors in everywhere and what to do with Islam.

Muslims are not supposed to kill a kafir just because they are kafirs. Many of the news/articles in medias are false.


What about witnesses or victims who are also muslims? Do their voices count or not?

Let me remind you this thread is not about terrorism as you can see in post #2.


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June 26, 2015, 02:16:47 PM
According to me terrorists have no religion...
You tell me any religion in the world which therepromote killing of people...??
Is there any religion......Im not talking about muslims im talking about all the religion that exists....
Have you ever think that your religion is promoting killing of people and your religion hates people...Huh

Actually I have heard that moslem should kill a kafir, and it written in Quran. I don't know exactly is it true or not. So since you is being here, you can explain the actual  Smiley Btw I never assume a moslem as my enemy, because I have some nice moslem friends. I am just curious about what the motivation by terrorists to did terrors in everywhere and what to do with Islam.

Muslims are not supposed to kill a kafir just because they are kafirs. Many of the news/articles in medias are false.
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June 26, 2015, 01:48:16 PM
According to me terrorists have no religion...
You tell me any religion in the world which therepromote killing of people...??
Is there any religion......Im not talking about muslims im talking about all the religion that exists....
Have you ever think that your religion is promoting killing of people and your religion hates people...Huh

Actually I have heard that moslem should kill a kafir, and it written in Quran. I don't know exactly is it true or not. So since you is being here, you can explain the actual  Smiley Btw I never assume a moslem as my enemy, because I have some nice moslem friends. I am just curious about what the motivation by terrorists to did terrors in everywhere and what to do with Islam.
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June 26, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
Muslims have done such great things for the world in the areas of science and math.

False association fallacy.

That they were Muslim did not lend anything to mathematical or scientific advancement. Application of logic and the scientific method did that. Being Muslim is what they did when they weren't using logic or the scientific method.

Theism isn't knowledge.

 
Alan Turing was a math whiz who pretty much single handedly won World War II, by leading the team that broke the crypto codes of the Germans and the Japanese.  He largely originated the "turing machine" concept, eg the programmable computer as we know it.

Turing was homosexual, and didn't hide it.  Maybe people of that era didn't like it - maybe they put up with it until he'd completed his work.  Those things can be debated.

What is not debatable is that in a Muslim society, he would not have been allowed to do his creative work and would likely have been killed.  If Britain had been Muslim, the Germans would have won the war.

This is not a "hate Islam" argument but a refutation of your assertion of Great Math and Great Science Advances in Islam.  To have these great advances requires tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people (which math wizards are often pretty odd).  It requires  the 50% of humans known as "women" to be allowed and encouraged to go into science and math.  If a culture does not, then it will be retarded. 

If not for Turing (unless of course his ideas were discovered later by someone else) we would not be conversing on these "computers".  There would be no "bitcointalk.org" because there would be no bitcoin because of a lack of crypto in electronic usages.

So, Greg.  You want to stand by your comments of your post of 6:38?

I am curious.

I don't think Turing is a good example to show the superiority of the non-muslim culture or to show our "tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people." Unless by being tolerant and appreciative, you mean prosecuting for being different and forcing a war hero into chemical castration.

Not the moral, feel good story I think you were going for about how much better our society was than an Islamic one at the time.

I beg to differ.    Yes it's a sordid story, but the very point is that he wasn't killed off by a crazy religious environment and he was allowed to do his work.

This isn't about being nice to people.  It's about whether they are allowed to live or die.
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June 26, 2015, 11:53:06 AM
Muslims have done such great things for the world in the areas of science and math.

False association fallacy.

That they were Muslim did not lend anything to mathematical or scientific advancement. Application of logic and the scientific method did that. Being Muslim is what they did when they weren't using logic or the scientific method.

Theism isn't knowledge.

 
Alan Turing was a math whiz who pretty much single handedly won World War II, by leading the team that broke the crypto codes of the Germans and the Japanese.  He largely originated the "turing machine" concept, eg the programmable computer as we know it.

Turing was homosexual, and didn't hide it.  Maybe people of that era didn't like it - maybe they put up with it until he'd completed his work.  Those things can be debated.

What is not debatable is that in a Muslim society, he would not have been allowed to do his creative work and would likely have been killed.  If Britain had been Muslim, the Germans would have won the war.

This is not a "hate Islam" argument but a refutation of your assertion of Great Math and Great Science Advances in Islam.  To have these great advances requires tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people (which math wizards are often pretty odd).  It requires  the 50% of humans known as "women" to be allowed and encouraged to go into science and math.  If a culture does not, then it will be retarded. 

If not for Turing (unless of course his ideas were discovered later by someone else) we would not be conversing on these "computers".  There would be no "bitcointalk.org" because there would be no bitcoin because of a lack of crypto in electronic usages.

So, Greg.  You want to stand by your comments of your post of 6:38?

I am curious.

I don't think Turing is a good example to show the superiority of the non-muslim culture or to show our "tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people." Unless by being tolerant and appreciative, you mean prosecuting for being different and forcing a war hero into chemical castration.

Not the moral, feel good story I think you were going for about how much better our society was than an Islamic one at the time.


He did help win a war before the chemical castration. If a sharia laws based society fighting for its survival was attacked and needed a solution to win, turing would have never been solicited in that context, nor even still be alive if openly gay.


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June 26, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
Muslims have done such great things for the world in the areas of science and math.

False association fallacy.

That they were Muslim did not lend anything to mathematical or scientific advancement. Application of logic and the scientific method did that. Being Muslim is what they did when they weren't using logic or the scientific method.

Theism isn't knowledge.

 
Alan Turing was a math whiz who pretty much single handedly won World War II, by leading the team that broke the crypto codes of the Germans and the Japanese.  He largely originated the "turing machine" concept, eg the programmable computer as we know it.

Turing was homosexual, and didn't hide it.  Maybe people of that era didn't like it - maybe they put up with it until he'd completed his work.  Those things can be debated.

What is not debatable is that in a Muslim society, he would not have been allowed to do his creative work and would likely have been killed.  If Britain had been Muslim, the Germans would have won the war.

This is not a "hate Islam" argument but a refutation of your assertion of Great Math and Great Science Advances in Islam.  To have these great advances requires tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people (which math wizards are often pretty odd).  It requires  the 50% of humans known as "women" to be allowed and encouraged to go into science and math.  If a culture does not, then it will be retarded. 

If not for Turing (unless of course his ideas were discovered later by someone else) we would not be conversing on these "computers".  There would be no "bitcointalk.org" because there would be no bitcoin because of a lack of crypto in electronic usages.

So, Greg.  You want to stand by your comments of your post of 6:38?

I am curious.

I don't think Turing is a good example to show the superiority of the non-muslim culture or to show our "tolerance and appreciation for a great many odd types of people." Unless by being tolerant and appreciative, you mean prosecuting for being different and forcing a war hero into chemical castration.

Not the moral, feel good story I think you were going for about how much better our society was than an Islamic one at the time.
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June 26, 2015, 11:05:26 AM
All this yakkety yak about why Islam hates. The answer is right in the name "Islam" itself. Break the word down. Islam is essentially "I slam." And that is what Islam does to people. It slams them about. And when it gets into people, then the people - now called Muslims - slam others about, so that they can rightly say, "I slam."

 Cheesy
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June 26, 2015, 10:47:22 AM



What is Salafism and should we be worried by it?


Salafi violence is on the rise across the Arab world - and may be gaining a dangerous foothold in Europe



In the days after the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and a Jewish supermarket in Paris, attention has focused on the rise of Salafism in Europe.

Salafism is described as "the fastest-growing Islamic movement in Europe" by Soren Kern of the New York Daily News. He accuses European leaders of failing to confront the rise of a dangerous ideology on their own turf.

Germany's intelligence chief, Hans-George Maassen, says the number of active Salafists in his country has grown from 3,800 to 6,300 in three years, according to Deutsche Welle.

Maassen says that most recruits are men aged from 18 to 30, with families from migrant backgrounds who have struggled to adjust to their new home. Salafism provides them with a sense of belonging and purpose, he said, "giving the impression that they will go from being underdogs to top dogs".




What is Salfism?
Salafis are fundamentalists who believe in a return to the original ways of Islam. The word 'Salafi' comes from the Arabic phrase, 'as-salaf as-saliheen', which refers to the first three generations of Muslims (starting with the Companions of the Prophet), otherwise known as the Pious Predecessors.

What do Salafis believe?
The 100-year-old Sunni-based Salafi school of thought aspires to emulate the ways of the Prophet Mohammed. Recognisable from their distinctive long white robes, long beards and flowing head scarf, Salafis are socially and religiously conservative.

Although they believe in a unified Islamic state and Sharia law, they are not always politically radical, because they regard political involvement as un-Islamic.

That said, Salafism encompasses a huge range of beliefs - extending from non-violent religious devotion at one extreme, to Salafi Jihadism at the other.

How popular is Salafism around the world?
Salafism offers what many see as a purer form of Islam, stripped of cultural and national associations. This, coupled with its traditional lack of political involvement, makes it especially popular with new converts.

It is the predominant form of Sunni Islam in the Arabian Peninsula, where most people are Wahabis, subscribing to a far-right interpretation of Salafism. In Egypt, around 5-6 million of the 82 million population are believed to be Salafis. It can also be found in Britain, where Salafism is apparently increasingly popular in universities.

What about the rest of the Middle East?
In the aftermath of the Arab Spring, Salafis received an unusual amount of press due to their growing involvement in politics. Following the toppling of president Hosni Mubarak, Salafi groups in Egypt have been responsible for a number of violent attacks on Coptic Christians. They burnt two Coptic Christian churches in 2011 and were responsible for a death during a clash with a Christian alcohol shop owner, while another fight with a Coptic Christian led to his ear being cut off.

At about the same time in Jordan, during protests in Zarqa around 350 hardline Salafis took to the streets to demand the imposition of Sharia law. Violent clashes led to 83 police offers being injured. And in Gaza, a Salafi group called Tawheed and Jihad claimed responsibility for the brutal kidnapping and murder of Italian activist Vittorio Arrigoni, claiming he had spread "corruption".

Where else is Salafism growing?
Ouside Europe and the Middle East, Salafism is also on the rise in China. "Among China’s Hui ethnic group, Saudi-influenced Salafism has been present for nearly a century," reports The Diplomat. Salafism is confined to small pockets of the Northwest and Yunnan provinces, but in recent years the Chinese government has begun to keep closer checks on the group.

"Since the 1990s, and particularly following 9/11, the Chinese state has placed the Salafi community under close surveillance," The Diplomat says. The government fears that Salafism's "close connections with Saudi Arabia as well as presumed Uighur Salafi networks … might herald political and religious violence in the future"

How organised are the salafis?
They have no coherent policy or ideology and there is no governing body to control various Salafist elements either in Egypt or elsewhere. As a result, there is a wide range of Salafist movements pursuing various agendas, and they are accountable to no-one. It is this that makes them potentially dangerous.

A recent documentary on Muslims extremists in Britain, Muslim Resistance, looked at a Salafi group in Luton. The film-maker Masood Khan insists that most Salafis have spent the last 20 years "trying to persuade Muslims not to get involved with [extremist] groups".

But Dr Ghayas Saddiqui from the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain told The First Post that there was "no moderation in [the Salafis'] approach". He added: "It is a very strict interpretation of Islam, and their attitude to both non-Muslims and Muslims who are not with them is very harsh."



http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/6073/what-is-salafism-and-should-we-be-worried-by-it



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June 26, 2015, 10:10:48 AM
Yes shariah  told us suppose if you have one bottle water and you have to do waddu for prayer....and there is a people  who is want water then it is your duty to give them a water and make waddu with mud.....
Islam give right to women...!!!

Islam told you that this is your mother and this is your sister....These womens are haram for you...!!!

In muslims countries their is a right for non muslims to perform thetir religious activities  which is  described by Shariah...


That is nice to know. I grew up in a system where women are born automatically with the rights you are describing. No need for a verbal or written contract. Mother Nature has found a way to make me automatically haram to my own mother and my sisters, so I am good on that level too, and that was true with my father and the father of my father... They never heard of sharia laws either to act the way they acted as they were gentlemen...

Water is free (nature) where I grew up, so no one had to ask for it. In more desert places of course water is expensive and rare so I understand why it is a big deal to offer it.


I have one more thing to ask you if you may: what is Jizya?



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June 26, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
Yes shariah  told us suppose if you have one bottle water and you have to do waddu for prayer....and there is a people  who is want water then it is your duty to give them a water and make waddu with mud.....
Islam give right to women...!!!

Islam told you that this is your mother and this is your sister....These womens are haram for you...!!!

In muslims countries their is a right for non muslims to perform thetir religious activities  which is  described by Shariah...
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June 26, 2015, 09:46:30 AM
Islam love people not hate people ...

Your title is totally wrong...

Islam promotes Love , Brotherhood, Prosperity....Smiley

Our Prophet Muhammad SAW give us a lesson of love and humanity and He SAW proved this by his actions..Smiley

Islam is the religion of Peace.....Islam give right to non-muslim...
If u read u will know what Islam Is and what Islam done for you....

Thanks


Does sharia laws give rights to non-muslims and what islam has done for them?


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June 26, 2015, 09:34:55 AM
Yes ISIS is not muslim... 

If muslim did wrong then dnt say that islam is wrong or islam hate people...
Islam is perfect muslims are not...and muslims love humanity......If you are non muslim does matter we love you Our Prophet SAW told us that love the humans whethr they are muslim or non muslims....

Islam is the religion of Love <3

Actually I have some good moslem friends too. But, if you say ISIS is not moslem, so what will moslem people do to ISIS since they has ruined everything while shouting name of their god and stated that they were ordered by god to make islam country. Hope you can make it clear  Smiley



According to me terrorists have no religion...
You tell me any religion in the world which therepromote killing of people...??
Is there any religion......Im not talking about muslims im talking about all the religion that exists....
Have you ever think that your religion is promoting killing of people and your religion hates people...Huh
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June 26, 2015, 09:31:00 AM
Islam is the religion of Love <3

Was maybe, but not any more. It's been snatched away from under your nose.
ISIS have changed it into the new Islam which is now firmly in charge. Until the old Islam lot take back control, they are irrelevant.



Was for a while. Was here and there over the centuries.

If a person says he is Muslim and believes he is Muslim, even though he knows little or nothing about Islam, is he really Muslim?

The peaceful Muslims are ignoring the violence directives in Islamic writings. Because of this, maybe they are not really Muslim. Maybe it is only the violent Muslims like ISIS that are truly Muslims. Why? Because they fulfill all the Islamic law, by being peaceful at times and violent at other times, while the peaceful Muslims only fulfill the peaceful parts of Islamic law.

What does anyone think about this?

Smiley
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June 26, 2015, 09:21:36 AM
Religion doesn't hate people. Religion doesn't kill people. Humans do. Humans hate, they kill. They want power and they have greed, they crave control and they enjoy supremacy. Its not their fault as it was always conditioned into their god damn mind. All the kings, their lifestyle, dictatorship, it all was glorified and everybody wishes they'd be king... Boofuckinghoo. And Islam doesn't hate people, the couple of faggots who kill on the name of religion do. Educate yourself.

Agreed. And in my opinion, the Charleston attack has to be declared as a terrorist-attack. But do not know why it is being called as hate-crime. Isn't it obvious that it was a planned attack? People died in it.
Why cant hate crimes be planned?
Religion doesn't hate people. Religion doesn't kill people. Humans do. Humans hate, they kill. They want power and they have greed, they crave control and they enjoy supremacy. Its not their fault as it was always conditioned into their god damn mind. All the kings, their lifestyle, dictatorship, it all was glorified and everybody wishes they'd be king... Boofuckinghoo. And Islam doesn't hate people, the couple of faggots who kill on the name of religion do. Educate yourself.
Deez nuts Roll Eyes

People died in this attack. There is gun firing. And I am not saying only about this  attack. In my opinion, whenever and wherever people go insane and start shooting innocent people, then that is a terrorist attack.
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