Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 173. (Read 437405 times)

hmmm....I am familiar with those stories.

Not that I BELIEVE anything Joseph Smith said or alleged, but his words or if you like, the words he was a messenger of, (BLAH BLAH BLAH)...

Just pointing out that this is a solid rebuttal of Zahir's assertion that Mohammed is the most credible because of the document tracking system his follows had in recording his words (or whatever the specifics are of that).  Obviously Prophet --> Printing Press trumps a succession of manual scribes, lol...

If Prophet XYZ's words were encoded with a digital cryptographic signature, then yes, we could be certain that a particular text was exactly as written down originally.  Otherwise, no.

Fifteen million people claim otherwise.

Although those who wrote this website are biased against Islam, I am sure that of the more than 1000 errors they have found, at least one or two are valid.

http://www.1000mistakes.com

LOL    Yeah, "direct" by way  of alien tablets, then hat.  Seriously, isn't it easier to google and learn than it is to spout ignorance on everything?

Old And Busted: Malaysian PM Urges Muslims Before U.N. To Be “Moderate”. New And Hot: PM’s Party Now Supports Law Stoning Adulterers…





Six months after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak stood before the United Nations and urged Muslims worldwide to be moderate in their religion, members of his own party are supporting a law that punishes adulterers with death and thieves with amputation.

Lawmakers from Mr Najib’s United Malays National Organisation (UMNO) joined the opposition Parti Islam se-Malaysia (PAS) to pass Islamic criminal law, or hudud, in the opposition-held state of Kelantan.

The move has drawn criticism from other parties in their respective coalitions, while human rights groups say it’s an unconstitutional step for secular Malaysia. […]

“There will be a lot of double speak within UMNO because I think by and large, they don’t want hudud but they can’t say it openly,” said Fui K. Soong, a director at the Centre for Strategic Engagement in Kuala Lumpur.

“The conservatives and radicals within his party are the ones who’ll make some noise but Najib will still need to take a firmer stance and say the country is not ready for that.”

Islam is recognised as the official religion of Malaysia, which Mr Najib describes as a “moderate” Islamic nation, and non-Muslims have the right to choose and practice their own faith.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysian-parties-chase-islamic-vote-with-death-by-stoning-law-20150322-1m575t.html

Thank you, BADecker. By the way, correcting another mistake:


Muhammad(PBUH) isn't founder of Islam. Neither is Jesus(PBUH), Moses(PBUH) founder of that religion. They were messengers.

Dictionary definitions for the word "prophet" from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prophet?s=t:

He isn't a prophet.

If Qur'an was altered, you can see mistakes in it, human errors. But there is no errors.

But the Book of Mormon went direct from the prophet's pen to the printing press.  You do not have that level of certainty that Mohammed's words were not altered.

And although the words of Jesus can be said to have "been altered," the New Testament provides four versions of the story. 

So you really do not have a point here that's logically sustainable.  Might as well stop repeating it.

Even by your own idea, this has always been Jesus' period, because Jesus is still alive after His resurrection. He has been alive throughout all of history, including the Old Testament times. It was Jesus walking in the Garden with Adam and Eve in the cool of the day. It is Jesus Who was the Angel of the Lord that went with Israel at the times before, during and following Moses.

Jesus, being God, has always been alive. Even when He was dead in the grave, His Spirit was alive, preaching to the dead souls in prison. Therefore, all the periods are Jesus' periods.

No, it was interpreted correctly. Churches interpret it wrong to make it feel as "true". If it was interpreted as true, Christian religious professor in that video and in 3 hours long video wouldn't loose the debate.


At that period, no man goes to God except Jesus. Its crystal clear. In other prophet's period, for example, Moses' period, "no man goes to God except through Moses". Jesus also said to follow Muhammad(PBUH) after Jesus' period. So you avoid that commands and only accept the ones which make you feel better? I tell you that when you also accept that commands, it will make you feel better than earlier.


Hiding truth is lie than revealing truth. Interesting. Jesus wasn't crucified and Bible was edited numerous times and yet you believe in it? If it was unedited, it wouldn't be a problem. But humans already edited and changed things to their own likes.

In the 15-minute video that we talked about already, and that I watched, the Bible was interpreted beyond what it says. When you let the Bible interpret itself, it says what it says.

For example, when Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me," He doesn't say that every prophet is or shows the way because all the other prophets are doing the same kind of thing that He was doing. He says it clear and simple. No man goes to the Father except through Jesus. Period.

Anyone who says that Jesus is making statements that show any other prophet can make true statements, is a liar, even if he lies in ignorance. Nobody needs to watch the other videos that are presented. The example of the one already watched shows that these others are going to be full of lies as well.

Both you and BADecker are not righteous, but self righteous.  I am not willing to suppose that in one case, it is due to the teachings of a religion and in the other it is a basic personality attribute.  Most likely it is simply the personalities.

This is not really good.

Odd, really that it would be the likes of me, an atheist to be saying such things.  If it comes to the point that an atheist feels obliged to an extent, to lecture devout Christians and devout Muslims on proper thinking and behavior, then so be it.



Analysis.

Because of that punishment, people started to avoid "committing adultery".   Were this true, then we should bring back the punishments of drawing and quartering, the rack, the Iron Maiden, the cutting out of tongues, tarring and feathering, and all other atrocities of the past.
Clearly this is nonsense.

Jesus isn't God. It is already proved. And also Jesus isn't crucified which means Christianity after the crucifixion is wrong.

Besides, Jesus has told to follow Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). What you said regarding the lines is wrong to be honest. Check more about it. Or it is better to see the videos: https://www.google.co.in/search?q=prophet+muhammad+in+bible+zakir+naik&hl=en&biw=320&bih=460&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ei=icEQVbSaL5WmuQTSioCQAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ.

Because of that punishment, people started to avoid "committing adultery". It may seem a bit harsh but a fee strong rules can make this better. As my native language isn't English, I don't know how to explain correctly!

True, God never says illogical things. But, since man is often very illogical, he doesn't always understand the logic that God shows.


Moses did great miracles. Many Bible prophets did miracles. Jesus did great miracles, even beyond those of Moses. Prophets of Islam did no miracles.

Moses made exact prophesies that were fulfilled. Many Bible prophets made exact prophesies that were fulfilled. Jesus made exact prophesies that were fulfilled. Prophets of Islam make no prophesies.


People who are blind and deaf can't even hear the Bible being read to them.


Same as listed above.


The Holy Spirit, provided to the Christians at the Pentecost, and still here in abundance for Christians today. It is the Holy Spirit that works through the words of the Bible to convert even Muslims.


Again, the Holy Spirit.


Notice, it says "Jesus Christ." That is "Jesus Messiah." Messiah is the promised Savior, Who comes to save people throughout the whole world. This is the One Moses and God were referring to in Deuteronomy 18:18.


There are many Bible prophets. This John was an important one of them.


Speaking about Jesus Christ. Answered this already.


Talking about the devil.


You have given references for the Bible passages you listed above. Why not for this one? Could it be that this one is listed in some other Psalms, and not the Psalms of the Bible?


People live for perhaps 100 years. Then they die. When they die, they are no longer part of this world. Let us go to Jesus and His kingdom at the time of death.


And, according to the prophesy of Jesus, Israel was destroyed. It happened in 70AD, and lasted almost 1,900 years. Only in 1949 did Israel become a nation again. But it became such in weakness, not in the strength that it had.


Jesus didn't bring any new laws. Jesus only brought the understanding of the laws that already existed.



I don't know what you were asking for sure. Why did you ask all these questions? Islam has no strength for salvation of people for Heaven. The reason is that if a person makes one mistake in life, he is guilty of breaking everything. Nobody has strength to keep from making any mistakes at all... except Jesus, because He is God. Those who Jesus saves will be saved. He won't save them if they don't believe in Him for salvation.

I would respect more, the man or women who stood between the person who was going to be stoned, and the crowd, than anyone who said a bunch of things in efforts to convince people of this or that, regardless of what book they base their thinking on.  They would be people standing idly by while a great injustice occurred.

Sounds remarkably like the plotline of the BBC miniseries, "An Honorable Woman."

That plotline didn't work out too well....

+1. The problem is the "head" of the terrorist team. They won't reveal themselves and they contact other people by telling a person. They brainwash kids and twist thing according to their need.

The way they brainwash and inject false knowledge is harder but smoother than the knowledge we could give. Only way to help them is to identify the "head" of the group but isn't easy because of Sleeper Cells.

It's probably our fault as a whole for not keeping the Middle East updated with the rest of the world. It's a shame many middle eastern countries did/do not have any access to references or any education that would have helped develop their ways of thinking. In such a backwards society of a backwards culture, it's not a suprise that people are walking into shops and buildings with bombs strapped to their chests. Seriously, it's a supirse we've waited this long to do something. There needs to be a radical social change in the middle east. Kill off the threats of those who oppose intervention and flood the middle east with textbooks and education from multiple perspectives from multiple countries from around the world. Teach them about freedoms, teach them about rights teach them about love qnd humanity. Help build pathways to the internet so more people can access information online. The more educated they are about the world around them, the less terrorists will become of the children in the middle east.

God never say illogical things. If there is illogical thing, how could it be true? So you are telling me that there is 14 Gods?

Answer your statement:

“The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen—” (Deuteronomy 18:15)

“And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot read." (Isaiah 29:12)

“I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.” (Deuteronomy 18:18)

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,” (John 14:15-16)

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” (John 16:12-15)

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,” (John 4:1-2)

“They asked him, "Then why are you baptizing, if you are neither the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"” (John 1:25)

“And He said, ‘O Moses, surely I will raise up for them a Prophet like you, from among their brothers (that is, from among the children of Ishmael); I will put my Word in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I Myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy, 18:18-19)

“I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,” (John 14:30)

A verse from the Psalms:

“O David, a Prophet will come after you, named Ahmad (Muhammad), the Truthful and the Lord, and his community will be forgiven.”

Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said,     "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

“Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."”

“Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws.” (Mathew 5:17-18).

See more: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_the_Bible and Videos of Zakir Naik(Recommeded).

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@Wilikon: "Stoned to death" is an old punishment for act of adultery.

“But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?" ...” (John 8:1-59)

As recently as a couple hundred years ago, much of the land of Africa and the Sahara were far greener than today. Then Islam made great inroads into society and culture.

The people of Africa still remain rather loving and kind. Islam can't conquer either the genetic mistakes or genetics of love in people, but it can conquer their minds somewhat.

Muslims still have love, even though it is flawed... just like the peoples of all the nations and religions of the world. But the green is leaving much of Africa, because the land is expelling the people of Islam... Islam is so extremely intolerable... even to the land, itself.

Islam hates mostly the people who acknowledge it... the Muslims. By the grace of the Christian God, the Muslims aren't completely destroyed. God finds Muslims that He can draw out of the dangers of Islam, into Christianity.

In Egypt alone, the people are becoming Christian with clearer understanding of the lies of Islam. Present-day Coptic Christians are stronger than ever because they have had to dig out the reasons that Islam hates people. Now they understand Islam, and because of it they are stronger Christians than ever.