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legendary
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March 23, 2015, 01:37:18 PM

Please point me to that lines and also the lines I asked you earlier. Smiley

What St. Paul isn't truth. You shouldn't check what other's said, check what Jesus said. Smiley

Google search on the words "Jesus is God proof," and you will find all kinds of reference websites that show reasons why, and the ways that Jesus expressed Himself to be God, even though H is never recorded as saying, "I am God."

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March 23, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
If the Islamic Prophet said or wrote something like, "I am writing stuff that existed before time began," even then he still wrote it 500 years after the last of the Bible was written.

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Fortunately, you are deliberately avoiding the truth. Smiley

Fortunately, what you said is wrong. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) didn't write Qur'an, it is words of God. Smiley

Ink did not jump on paper all by itself. Not the Bible. Not the Quran. Somebody wrote the Bible. Somebody wrote the Quran. The Quran was written about 500 years following the last part of the Bible.

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March 23, 2015, 01:28:26 PM
According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business?

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If Jesus says "he isn't dead" and the person who saw him and also the logic says "Jesus isn't dead", how could you avoid it? You should really see that video, it is clear.

If you are telling Romans said true, then you are outweighing Romans' words than Jesus'.

BTW, simple question. Did Romans tried to support Christianity or to oppress/repress it?

Jesus came back to life after 3 days by the glory of His Father God.

Jesus was alive. Jesus died. Jesus is alive again. Jesus is the only person Who died and came back to life to never die again.

The Roman soldiers at the crucifixion of Jesus were the ones who were killing Him. They weren't trying to support or repress. They were following orders. They testified to His death.

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March 23, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
If the Islamic Prophet said or wrote something like, "I am writing stuff that existed before time began," even then he still wrote it 500 years after the last of the Bible was written.

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Fortunately, you are deliberately avoiding the truth. Smiley

Fortunately, what you said is wrong. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) didn't write Qur'an, it is words of God. Smiley
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March 23, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
600 AD follows 90 AD by more than 500 years.   Smiley

I think you didn't understand the quoted parts. There are many prophets who came in between Jesus(PBUH) and Muhammed(PBUH). So there will be gap between the era. But that doesn't proove Bible is "followed" by Qur'an. To resolve this, I suggested you to read Qur'an to know the difference but yes there will be similarities between Qur'an and other true religious holy books because messenger of God came with a simple message "Believe in 1 God".


If the Islamic Prophet said or wrote something like, "I am writing stuff that existed before time began," even then he still wrote it 500 years after the last of the Bible was written.

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March 23, 2015, 01:19:52 PM
According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business?

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If Jesus says "he isn't dead" and the person who saw him and also the logic says "Jesus isn't dead", how could you avoid it? You should really see that video, it is clear.

If you are telling Romans said true, then you are outweighing Romans' words than Jesus'.

BTW, simple question. Did Romans tried to support Christianity or to oppress/repress it?
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March 23, 2015, 01:16:25 PM

According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business?

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Better evidence than a religious text which isn't evidence at all?  Let's see, there could be artifacts, that would trump all evidence.   Pontius Pilot kept meticulous records, other evidence would be any mention of Jesus in his records.  Other evidence might have been any contemporary historian to have even mentioned the supposedly famous Jesus.  They didn't.

Taking a book that professes to know the details of conversations between Jesus and God when Jesus was alone, as EVIDENCE, is bat shit crazy.    Bible stories are not history.   Religious text does not qualify as "truth" to anyone other than religious believers. Do you think the earth is 6,000 years old too?
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March 23, 2015, 01:14:50 PM
600 AD follows 90 AD by more than 500 years.   Smiley

I think you didn't understand the quoted parts. There are many prophets who came in between Jesus(PBUH) and Muhammed(PBUH). So there will be gap between the era. But that doesn't proove Bible is "followed" by Qur'an. To resolve this, I suggested you to read Qur'an to know the difference but yes there will be similarities between Qur'an and other true religious holy books because messenger of God came with a simple message "Believe in 1 God".

Although Jesus is never quoted as saying, "I am God," He said many things that show that He is God. Also, others, including St. Paul say that Jesus is God.

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Please point me to that lines and also the lines I asked you earlier. Smiley

What St. Paul isn't truth. You shouldn't check what other's said, check what Jesus said. Smiley
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March 23, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
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March 23, 2015, 01:10:11 PM
Nice guess. Yet the traditions of the Jews who became Christians say that the crucifixion DID happen.

Not guess, it is the truth.  See debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Ruknuddin Pio -> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5V-MVf0xIzQ. Search in YouTube about crucifixion and add 'Zakir Naik' in the search to get better answers.


According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business?

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March 23, 2015, 01:08:56 PM
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March 23, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
The most recent major alleged Judeo Christian prophet is not Mohammed, but Joseph Smith.  There is no question about "manipulation" by humans because Smith's writing went direct from his hand to the printing press.

Therefore, Smith's writing must be pure and perfect.


This is what I mean, you don't know what the fuck your talking about, but you keep talking.

You haven't even seen the South Park episode on this?  No question about "manipulation???  Were you born yesterday??  Joseph Smith allegedly read his prophesies from tablets that only he was allowed to see.  He allegedly placed the tablets in his hat, stuck his head in, and read out loud while someone else transcribed what he said.  How do you get from hand to printing press?   It's more like, from tablets, to hat, to Joseph's mouth, to the hand of his wife or whoever was writing that nonesense down, to printing press.  Therefore pure and perfect.  LOL

Then, when his wife and friends got suspicious, they decided to test him by asking him to re-read the tablets.    His second reading was completely different, and that's why Mormons have the 2nd book of Mormon.  

Is that your idea of a joke or something?   You'd have done better evoking L. Ron Hubbard.  LOL
legendary
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March 23, 2015, 01:03:38 PM

Jesus isn't god. Jesus was messenger of God. If a person believe Jesus was god, he will have to believe in 14 Gods, i.e. God, Jesus and 12 disciples. See http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=511G0UYVKZo.

Although Jesus is never quoted as saying, "I am God," He said many things that show that He is God. Also, others, including St. Paul say that Jesus is God.

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March 23, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
I had always understood that Quran was written starting around 600 AD. Revelation was written around 90 AD.

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That doesn't mean "following". Already said about it.

600 AD follows 90 AD by more than 500 years.   Smiley
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March 23, 2015, 12:57:44 PM
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March 23, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
I had always understood that Quran was written starting around 600 AD. Revelation was written around 90 AD.

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That doesn't mean "following". Already said about it.

Another thing is specific religions came for the people at the time of that prophet. That is, real-christianity was for the people at the time of Jesus, Jewish religion was for the people at the time of Moses.

Bible and other religious holy book(may not all) has already predicted about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and also if see if you can find a prophet of God after Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).



Missed this... Sorry BADecker.

Nice guess. Yet the traditions of the Jews who became Christians say that the crucifixion DID happen.

Not guess, it is the truth.  See debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Ruknuddin Pio -> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5V-MVf0xIzQ. Search in YouTube about crucifixion and add 'Zakir Naik' in the search to get better answers.

Actually, the last book of the Bible, the Revelation, was written by John, one of Jesus' own disciples. The Revelation covers everything from the time of Jesus' ascension into Heaven, up to the time that the present heavens and earth are destroyed, the New Heavens and New Earth are revealed, the believers in Jesus are raised to life with God in the New Heavens and Earth, and those who don't believe in Jesus God are sent to the lake of fire for everlasting punishment.

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Jesus isn't god. Jesus was messenger of God. If a person believe Jesus was god, he will have to believe in 14 Gods, i.e. God, Jesus and 12 disciples. See http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=511G0UYVKZo.
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March 23, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

Translation: the muslim book is not any better than the Christian book or the Jewish book. If this is what you believe then why waste your time defending one belief against another if they are all the same? Unless you believe one religion is superior to another, making some humans superior to other humans, thanks to a book.


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Your one of those people who doesn't answer a single question posed to you, while demanding answers to your own.  You misread something I said and you just kept going with it like a dumb-ass.

Islam started after Christianity and Judaism, so naturally it "springs" from that.  Muslims believe their texts improve on what came before.   Same as Christians believe about their texts.   Us non-believers can look at it as an off-shoot, which naturally will include and try to improve upon what came before (talking about both Christianity and Islam here).

Back to the questions you're dodging:

- Wouldn't it be more fruitful to study with an open mind, learn a thing or two about the facts and truth of the matters you insist on discussing, and THEN opine about it?  
(no joke, you thought women weren't allowed to drive in Iran for example! LOL  Could you even find these places you talk about on a globe? Why talk about things you haven't bothered to learn about first?  It makes you look very stupid and totally biased)

- Seriously - why don't you people have a sense of shame or embarrassment for being so terribly wrong about basic facts?  (real question! Without shame or humility, what's preventing you from being full of shit next time around?)

- Remember the USS Liberty?  (That one's for the moron who was praising Bibi's speach and doesn't realize what a traitor to the United States they are by doing so!)

- How many people do you think Muslims killed compared over the past however many years you want to look at?   How many people do you think Christians have killed?

- If your in denial that the most prolific killer of all,  the USA, is a de facto Christian nation - please answer: is the "God" that's referenced on your money, 68 times in US Code, and various other places in your government - is that Shiva, or Vishnu, or are you ready to admit it's the Christian God?  

I know it's easier to run away from facts, but y'all should come up with some passable answers to these questions if you want to look less like typical low IQ racists who don't know anything about the world beyond their little home in the sticks somewhere.

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March 23, 2015, 12:39:35 PM
The writings of the Revelation in the Bible cover everything from the ascension of Jesus up to and beyond the destruction of this universe, and the entry into the new universe. Right at the end of Revelation there is a warning:
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I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

This means that all the writings of every other religion that follow the writings of the Revelation are false. Islam is a false religion. Mormonism is a false religion. Buddhism is a false religion.

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But Qur'an didn't follow Bible. You may want read Qur'an to know more assuming you already read Bible. Smiley

I had always understood that Quran was written starting around 600 AD. Revelation was written around 90 AD.

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March 23, 2015, 12:33:46 PM
The writings of the Revelation in the Bible cover everything from the ascension of Jesus up to and beyond the destruction of this universe, and the entry into the new universe. Right at the end of Revelation there is a warning:
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I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

This means that all the writings of every other religion that follow the writings of the Revelation are false. Islam is a false religion. Mormonism is a false religion. Buddhism is a false religion.

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But Qur'an didn't follow Bible. You may want read Qur'an to know more assuming you already read Bible. Smiley
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March 23, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Well, thank you. This is better than saying to destroy people.

It might be close to saying to love. But it still isn't saying to love. But is better than saying to destroy, though, like some of the other parts of the Quran and Hadith seem to say.

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You are welcome! Smiley

If you have the time to post here the verses of Qur'an and Hadiths. It will be helpful. I will be happy to remove the misconceptions in that too. Thank you! Smiley

But your first assertion, "manipulated by humans", I refuted.

Now the assertion of the "last prophet" is based on what, faith?

The one you gave is also manipulated by humans as Joseph Smith is a human.

Bible and other religious holy book(may not all) has already predicted about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and also if see if you can find a prophet of God after Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
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