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legendary
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June 27, 2016, 07:49:25 PM
Islam is the most peaceful religion of the world. it teach us that respect all the other religions of the world and do not abuse about these religions and and about their followers. so i can easily say that Islam never have any one. may be some people are their who just want to create a bad image of Islam for this purpose they are creating such kind of images of the people but over all Islam is a peaceful religion and it respect the other religions and their follower.

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legendary
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June 27, 2016, 05:22:39 PM
Islam is the most peaceful religion of the world. it teach us that respect all the other religions of the world and do not abuse about these religions and and about their followers. so i can easily say that Islam never have any one. may be some people are their who just want to create a bad image of Islam for this purpose they are creating such kind of images of the people but over all Islam is a peaceful religion and it respect the other religions and their follower.


Islam is not a bunch of Muslims who don't know much about their religion, and who go against their religion of Islam by being peaceful. Islam is what is written in the Koran and Hadiths:
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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"   

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

Check out the rest at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

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June 26, 2016, 02:12:26 AM
Islam is the most peaceful religion of the world. it teach us that respect all the other religions of the world and do not abuse about these religions and and about their followers. so i can easily say that Islam never have any one. may be some people are their who just want to create a bad image of Islam for this purpose they are creating such kind of images of the people but over all Islam is a peaceful religion and it respect the other religions and their follower.
legendary
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June 25, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
You have a point there. Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam wouldn't hate any people. Non-muslims are strong blinded by newspaper, social-media networks that we create an bad opinion to muslims.
If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in that topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

Then again, Muslims may be strongly blinded by newspaper, social media networks, etc that we create a bad opinion to non-muslims.  Such as in Jordon, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so forth.

If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in the topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

After all this strong blinding, Muslims hate many people.
You just know about the Islam by media,  you have got wrong information about islam. I suggest you please learn for first time before you make judge about Islam
False.  For example, my learning about Islam is primarily from the Islamic posters on this forum.  And they are everything from rapid dogs of hate to pretty nice people.

Oh, and no Takiyya please. 
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June 24, 2016, 11:51:22 PM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
You have a point there. Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam wouldn't hate any people. Non-muslims are strong blinded by newspaper, social-media networks that we create an bad opinion to muslims.
If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in that topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

Then again, Muslims may be strongly blinded by newspaper, social media networks, etc that we create a bad opinion to non-muslims.  Such as in Jordon, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so forth.

If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in the topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

After all this strong blinding, Muslims hate many people.
You just know about the Islam by media,  you have got wrong information about islam. I suggest you please learn for first time before you make judge about Islam
Debate about the their beliefs will never finish might be much more nice and peaceful if in this world there should be no religion and concern for others. I think life is much more beautiful if we do not need to care the people around.
legendary
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June 24, 2016, 08:12:27 PM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
You have a point there. Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam wouldn't hate any people. Non-muslims are strong blinded by newspaper, social-media networks that we create an bad opinion to muslims.
If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in that topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

Then again, Muslims may be strongly blinded by newspaper, social media networks, etc that we create a bad opinion to non-muslims.  Such as in Jordon, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so forth.

If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in the topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

After all this strong blinding, Muslims hate many people.
You just know about the Islam by media,  you have got wrong information about islam. I suggest you please learn for first time before you make judge about Islam
legendary
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June 24, 2016, 07:53:12 PM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
You have a point there. Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam wouldn't hate any people. Non-muslims are strong blinded by newspaper, social-media networks that we create an bad opinion to muslims.
If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in that topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

When you spout this kind of crap please remember that some of us here DO READ the middle east newspapers, and I'm not talking about their sanitized "English versions."  So we know how much hate is floating around those countries.
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June 24, 2016, 06:05:01 AM
Islam doesn't hate people. I think there are just bad guys in their religion well its natural that there are good and bad people. I think they are not all bad well some are friendly.
legendary
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June 23, 2016, 05:01:02 PM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
You have a point there. Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam wouldn't hate any people. Non-muslims are strong blinded by newspaper, social-media networks that we create an bad opinion to muslims.
If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in that topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

Then again, Muslims may be strongly blinded by newspaper, social media networks, etc that we create a bad opinion to non-muslims.  Such as in Jordon, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so forth.

If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in the topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.

After all this strong blinding, Muslims hate many people.
legendary
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June 23, 2016, 12:29:21 PM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
You have a point there. Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam wouldn't hate any people. Non-muslims are strong blinded by newspaper, social-media networks that we create an bad opinion to muslims.
If you only belive to the people from newspaper, social-media networks etc. without much knowledge in that topic itself then I strongly recommed to research the topic.
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June 23, 2016, 11:50:27 AM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.


Why?


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June 23, 2016, 10:51:59 AM
I guess you know nothing about islam when you say that it hates people. No religion hates people, people hate each other.
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June 23, 2016, 08:28:22 AM


I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate people? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because Jews, Because Christians, Because Atheists'
and Yes, I am a people's person for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE people like myself, and I could be here to clarify things to you, or not...
Also here is something that most muslims mistake about people's person like me is that "Christianity or Buddhism hate other religions" for this I say, Christianity or Buddhism does not hate ANY religion, but they suggest to 'invite' them to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because this other religion decided to come into war on Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

If you need anything clarified, I may not be here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Cheesy



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Islam hate people that aren't indoctrinated with their group which is their religion. Islam hates people that violates their stone-age belief. Islam hates people because it teach bigotry.
legendary
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June 23, 2016, 08:23:19 AM
Islam hates people because People hate Islam -- simple as that.
Islam hate people? lol what you mean that Islam hates people? Islam does not teach hatred!

It's because Islamists say that terrorists go to a reward in the afterlife, while the rest of us claim either 1) there is no afterlife, and so life is precious on Earth, or 2) terrorists will be punished in the afterlife.
you do not learn about Islam, so that you do not know, that there is life after death Hereafter. life on earth is temporary, so very precious to you always do good and diligent in worship.

However, Islamic leaders NEVER claim that terrorists will be punished in the afterlife; on the contrary, they say that terrorists have earned their eternal rewards in paradise.
terrorists clearly would be punished in the hereafter, for the purpose they are wrong, killing innocent people.
terrorists will never get happiness in the hereafter or in heaven.

all the statements you really do not based in fact, I will not argue, because you do not know Islam. so there is no end if I argue with you.

May I suggest?

Why don't you go to youtube and show evidence of an Islamic scholar saying terrorists will be punished in the hereafter.


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Killing of non Muslims (and Muslims perceived to be not really Muslims) is allowed (actually recommended) to advance the cause of Islam: total domination of non-Muslim populations and forced conversion to Islam.  You'll never hear a Muslim scholar say that Allah will punish those martyrs who kill the innocent.  The justification will be that those innocent people were not really innocent because they were not faithful to Allah.

Islam really means: submit or die
legendary
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June 23, 2016, 07:54:30 AM
Islam hates people because People hate Islam -- simple as that.
Islam hate people? lol what you mean that Islam hates people? Islam does not teach hatred!

It's because Islamists say that terrorists go to a reward in the afterlife, while the rest of us claim either 1) there is no afterlife, and so life is precious on Earth, or 2) terrorists will be punished in the afterlife.
you do not learn about Islam, so that you do not know, that there is life after death Hereafter. life on earth is temporary, so very precious to you always do good and diligent in worship.

However, Islamic leaders NEVER claim that terrorists will be punished in the afterlife; on the contrary, they say that terrorists have earned their eternal rewards in paradise.
terrorists clearly would be punished in the hereafter, for the purpose they are wrong, killing innocent people.
terrorists will never get happiness in the hereafter or in heaven.

all the statements you really do not based in fact, I will not argue, because you do not know Islam. so there is no end if I argue with you.

May I suggest?

Why don't you go to youtube and show evidence of an Islamic scholar saying terrorists will be punished in the hereafter.


Waiting...
Waiting....
(((Waiting...)))
legendary
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June 23, 2016, 07:39:22 AM
Islam hates people because People hate Islam -- simple as that.
Islam hate people? lol what you mean that Islam hates people? Islam does not teach hatred!

It's because Islamists say that terrorists go to a reward in the afterlife, while the rest of us claim either 1) there is no afterlife, and so life is precious on Earth, or 2) terrorists will be punished in the afterlife.
you do not learn about Islam, so that you do not know, that there is life after death Hereafter. life on earth is temporary, so very precious to you always do good and diligent in worship.

However, Islamic leaders NEVER claim that terrorists will be punished in the afterlife; on the contrary, they say that terrorists have earned their eternal rewards in paradise.
terrorists clearly would be punished in the hereafter, for the purpose they are wrong, killing innocent people.
terrorists will never get happiness in the hereafter or in heaven.

all the statements you really do not based in fact, I will not argue, because you do not know Islam. so there is no end if I argue with you.

May I suggest?

Why don't you go to youtube and show evidence of an Islamic scholar saying terrorists will be punished in the hereafter.


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Waiting....
legendary
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June 23, 2016, 02:08:10 AM
Of course not, Islam did not hate people;  it is the people that hate each other.  

BS. I am yet to see any Hindus or Buddhists blowing themselves up in public places, killing dozens of innocent civilians. 99% of the terrorist attacks are being conducted by individuals who believe in hard-line Islamist ideology. And as far as I know, none of the other religions offer 72 virgins for martyrdom during religious Jihad.
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June 23, 2016, 12:27:48 AM
Of course not, Islam did not hate people;  it is the people that hate each other.  They are the one who makes conflicts, arguments, and killings, not the religion.  Even if you are a Christian, a Buddhist, or Muslim, still, it is your choice to hate or to love each other.
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June 15, 2016, 08:37:17 AM



Islamic Speaker Admits: Killing Gays is a Belief Held by ‘Moderate Muslims’


Yet the regressive left STILL defends Islam







In light of the massacre of dozens of people at a gay club in Orlando, it’s worth re-visiting the comments of Islamic speaker Fahad Qureshi, who admitted that the desire to see homosexuals killed was a belief held by so-called “moderate” Muslims.

During a conference held in May 2013, Qureshi complained that the media often frames views such as “the death penalty for homosexuals” or the subjugation of women as only being held by radical Muslims.

“I always try to tell them that….these are general views that every Muslim actually has….every Muslim believes in these things,” says Qureshi.

Qureshi then asks the audience of Muslim attendees – black, white and Arab – to raise their hands if they agree with gender segregation and stoning women for adultery, as taught by the Koran.

Virtually every single ‘moderate’ Muslim in the room raises their hand to agree with these positions.

Qureshi then asks the audience if they go to “normal Sunni mosques in Norway.” Virtually everyone raises their hand in agreement once again.

“What are the politicians going to say now? What is the media going to say now? That we are all extremists? That we are all radicals? That we need to deport all of us from this country?” states Qureshi.

The chillingly ironic thing is of course that in trying to argue that most Muslims are not ‘radical extremists’, Qureshi only proves the point that so-called “moderate” Muslims do in fact hold radical, violent and extreme views about the treatment of women and homosexuals.

The clip attests to the fact that intolerant and hateful viewpoints are not just held by a tiny minority of “radical” Muslims, they are held by most Muslims period, and they’re taken directly from the Koran.

If such views were espoused by extreme right-wingers, liberals would be up in arms, but because Muslims rank far higher in the ‘oppression olympics’ table, so-called “progressives” are frightened to criticize Islam for fear of being labeled politically incorrect or racist (despite the fact that Islam is not a race).

It has also been confirmed that just weeks before Omar Mateen’s rampage, Muslim cleric Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar called for gays to be executed during a sermon at an Orlando-area mosque.

Sekaleshfar also called for homosexuals to be killed “out of compassion”.

“Death is the sentence. There’s nothing to be embarrassed about this. Death is the sentence,” Sekaleshfar said during a 2013 sermon at the University of Michigan.

With many gay people in America now asserting that they will switch their vote to Trump in light of Saturday night’s massacre, it is imperative for the LGBT community to understand that the regressive left has chosen Islam over gay rights.

Leftists would rather justify and act as apologists for a religion that openly encourages the slaughter of homosexuals than stand up and defend the lives of gay people.


http://www.infowars.com/islamic-speaker-admits-killing-gays-is-a-belief-held-by-moderate-muslims/



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May 30, 2016, 05:56:32 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-stirs-debate-women-only-swimming-nod-muslims-122817115.html

Sweden stirs debate with women-only swimming, in nod to Muslims
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On the face of it, the decision to offer special women's swimming hours at the Hyllie sports center, a municipal swimming pool in the southern Swedish city of Malmö, should not be contentious.

Indeed, Malmö is not alone. According to a survey by the Swedish TV channel TV4, 13 of Sweden's 100 largest municipalities have begun offering separate swimming hours for men and women. “Our facilities are used by 40 percent women and 60 percent men,” Johan Hermansson, the head of Malmö's recreations department, told TV4. “Our ambition is for them to be used equally by girls and boys, men and women.”

But the trend is not just about achieving 50-50 visitor figures. For decades, Swedish city swimming pools have operated mixed-gender pools, but by adding women-only hours, officials are hoping to accommodate the country's growing Muslim population.

And that is raising a much larger issue for Sweden. Should the native population adjust to immigrant groups' different lifestyles by accommodating women-only swimming and the like, thus providing access to Muslim newcomers who would otherwise not feel comfortable in gender-equal conditions? Or does the implementation of such segregation, however well intended, ultimately undermine the country's hard-earned traditions of gender equality.

Many Swedes are no longer sure. “During the past several years, we've had several Muslim women come and swim,” says Stockholm resident Carolina Johansson, who has gone to women's-only sessions at a local swimming pool for the past 20 years. “But gender-separated swimming doesn't feel like a positive development.”

TO INTEGRATE OR TO SEGREGATE?

The separate swimming hours have cause an enormous debate in Sweden, with many calling the move regressive and a ghettoization of women, while others laud it as a sensible inclusion of the country's increasingly diverse population. This month Sweden's democracy minister, Alice Bah Kuhnke, told Swedish TV that gender-segregated swimming hours – as the system is often referred to – are problematic and called mixed-gender swimming “a victory after many years and generations of gender-equality struggle.”

In Malmö, Iva Parizkova Ryggeståhl and her fellow members of the local International Women's Association have spent a great deal of time talking about gender-separated swimming. At first, they weren't sure how to feel about it, but now they've decided they're opposed to it.

“Men who are not comfortable being in the same swimming pool as women should not be there,” Ms. Parizkova Ryggeståhl argues. “And we women shouldn't care whether men are looking at us in the swimming pool or not, and whether they get jealous or not.”

By contrast, supporters of gender-separated swimming hours maintain that without the separation Muslim women would never get a chance to swim. And Feministiskt Initiativ, Sweden's feminist party, maintains that women-only swimming benefit women in general.

“It's not just Muslim women who want women-only swimming hours; it's women from many different backgrounds,” argues Toktam Jahangiry, Feministiskt Initiativ's sexual policy spokeswoman. “For example, many women who have had a mastectomy don't feel comfortable being seen by men in the swimming pool.”

Feministiskt Initiativ also suggests that women-only swimming hours could serve a social purpose beyond health and exercise. “Swimming pools are a meeting place for women where they feel comfortable talking to one another, and women-only swimming hours make it an even better meeting point,” says Ms. Jahangiry. “A woman who is being beaten by her husband won't want other men to see her bruises in the swimming pool. But she will feel comfortable talking to other women about it there.”

Qaali Shire, a Muslim Somali mother of three, who lives in Malmö and was recently granted asylum, suggests something similar. “Women's swimming hours are very good because there are no private swimming pools for women,” she says. “Without separate pools or swimming hours, women would go to the pool with their husbands and kids and just sit because they don't feel comfortable swimming in front of men.”

Gender-separated swimming hours are good for husbands, too, Ms. Shire adds, because they don't have to feel uncomfortable over their wives swimming in front of other men. “Even if you swim in your pajamas, your husband won't like it,” she explains.

PRIORITIZING EQUALITIES

There's also the issue of whether women's swimming hours represents discrimination against men, as men are banned from women's swimming hours but women can swim when they like. The government's national discrimination ombudsman is now investigating whether women's swimming hours discriminate against men.

The Greens, who govern in a coalition with the Social Democrats and consider themselves a feminist party, have been particularly affected by gender debate.

Though they have not expressed an official opinion on women's swimming hours, they had nominated Yasri Khan – a young Muslim man – for their executive committee despite knowing of his faith-based refusal to shake hands with women. The furor over the handshaking incident led him to resign. Knowledge Minister Aida Hazialic, herself a Muslim, declared herself upset over his handshake refusal and pointed out that Sweden “is a country where we treat men and women the same way.”

But at least at the Hyllie sports center in Malmö, segregated policies still have appeal. On a recent afternoon in Malmö, Shire was in high spirits after having visited the women's swimming hour – her sixth time swimming at the pool's women's session. “The ladies' session is always jammed,” she noted.

And, in a further twist to Sweden's integration debate, she pointed out an important feature of the female sessions. “Because everyone's head is uncovered, you don't know who is Muslim and who is not.”

Now I want to know where the Transgender issue comes into the issue!
If you can choose whatever sex you want to be,why segregate based on sex?
Is this the war we have been waiting for Transgender rights vs. Muslim rights.

If we where to keep giving every special interest group a slot the pool would be used by far fewer people due to say fat hairy guy swimming time being at 11am when most are working.
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