Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 85. (Read 221072 times)

ISIS is not an Islamic organiization..Imam Khomeni was a Muslim and i dnt know who is cat stevens and  i listen his name from your mouth...

Islam mainly prohibits music but it does not prohibit signing completely.

Widely agreed:

1. The kinds of singing which are unequivocally prohibited are those which contain the celebration of the material world and includes sexual connotation and that which is also inappropriate in speaking, e.g., swearing, sexually expletive language, and the like. In Fiqh this is usually referred to as Tarab.

2. The kinds of singing which are also unequivocally prohibited, are those that remove a person away from the worship and appropriate presence with Allah, e.g., leading a person to be involved with cross-gender mixing, lazing around (rather than taking a short break to relax from exhaustion. In such cases, as we will see below, there is permission to listen to musical matters that glorify Allah and praise the Prophet), ignoring one's rights and responsibilities, and the like.

3. Those kinds of singing which are unequivocally permitted are those which glorify Allah and praise the Prophet. Much can be said about this, but it will be a whole book! So in summary, this is usually taken to be permissible as a respite rather than the norm of "iPod in the ear 24/7". It is also permissible to have such appropriate singing of happiness (rather than directly about Allah and His Messenger) that soothe the heart in a Halal manner for festivals and weddings. These kinds of singing are usually referred to as inshad and sama'.

4. Those kinds of singing which are general, and are neither prohibited nor specifically about goodness and happiness (but may be e.g., about politics or environment, etc), the majority of Scholars hold that it is permissible only in its context rather than a habit to listen and enjoy. If it is habituated and leads an individual to ignore their rights and responsibilities, then it is not permitted.

About your "potentially true muslims": are you talking about the list of a few people which you posted when talking to GregH37? If you want, I can tell my opinion about 'em but the problem is some of the aspects of my opinion will be, like almost all, media-influenced -- which obviously is a mix of lie and truth.

Singing is prohibited? Can you back that with scripture?

I threw Yusef Islam (Cat Stevens) in that list because I thought he'd be the LEAST controversial in this discussion, as he has been a man of peace for his entire life, long before his conversion to Islam. Yet of all the people I listed as potentially true muslims, he's the one you deny.

And frankly, it is anti human to prohibit singing. In my own case, ceasing to sing would be denying the very essence of who I am. I am and have been since my earliest days a singer. Anything that denied me that is, to me, anathema of the lowest sort.

So, since you obviously have read what I said, and the only man you deny is Muslim is the one man in my list who has spent his ENTIRE adult life as an advocate of peace, I have to assume that you DO consider the others to be Muslim. Which is prima facie evidence that your other claims are false.

So, looking at the prior question (which the resident Muslims do not want to answer)...

Is ISIS muslim?
Was Sayyid Qutb muslim?
Is the Muslim Brotherhood muslim?
Is Hamas Muslim?
Was Khadaffi a muslim?
Was Khomeini a muslim?
Is Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam a muslim?
Was Yasser Arafat a muslim?
Are the members of the House of Saud Muslims? (and if not, why are they charged with the protection of Mecca and Medina?)

Would you then be saying the True Muslims should act like Khadaffi, Khomeini, and Arafat but not ISIS?

I would not care to promote any of those.  It is indeed most curious, that while claiming knowledge of a moral and ethical code which governs minute details of their life, they cannot simply state which of these persons or organizations is or is not Muslim.

Telling muslims on here they can only be a true muslim if they act like ISIS, is not a good idea. It might be interpreted your promoting ISIS. You could find yourself in some serious hot water.

Just saying.

Terrorists are not Muslims. if they look like muslims and they said we are muslims then plz don't believe them. They are just terrorist not more than that. If you want to know Muslims then read translation of Quran, Read life history of Muhammad (SAW) not these stupid organization like ISIS..GOt it ??

Oh sure. If you look at the Islamic holy writings, you find plenty of directives to kill. It is the Muslims who are peaceful who are not following all the Islamic directives. You have to violent at times and peaceful at other times, just like ISIS, if you want to be a TRUE Muslim.

For your kind information ISIS is not an Islamic organization.They are not muslims.Islam is against killing of people whether he/she is a muslim or non muslim so dear this is not a valid reason... Give another reason ?

US RAP SINGER Kristen ( Abby) CONVERTED TO ISLAM

I'm a Muslim, and not all Muslims are terrorists." She said that she thinks being a Muslim is much safer than her previous lifestyle, as rapper MC Router. "My shtick was that people would bring me beer," she recalls. "My sets would be an hour, and I could knock out 24 beers. I was close to being an alcoholic." Abby says she was also having promiscuous sex with fans and club owners, but when she converted to Islam, her life changed dramatically. "I spend my time reading the Quran and praying," she explains. Abby says her plan is to move to Saudi Arabia when she finishes school — and never look back.
She is coverted to Islam. Read their words and she is a muslim.Australian rugby star Blake Ferguson converts to Islam
(on 8 November 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake_Ferguson…)
The 23-year-old announced his conversion in a mosque in Sydny.
Many people converted to Islam dear. If their religion is good and fair then why they choose Islam. There are almost 1651 religion in the world .Why they choose Islam as a religion ?? think on it

I dn't know about cat steven but i just he is a singer so i dnt like him because singing is prohibited in Islam. Those who don't follow Islam, i dnt have any concern with them.
Ok May Allah increase your love with Cat stevens

 


A lot of country,a lot of people who are dying every day. Why ISIS kill people every day? How do you explain this? There are many reasons why people hate Islam, one of the biggest is ISIS . I 'm not sure that this is just politics. Isis does it all planned out, and nobody responsible for these acts. Worst of all is that your religion allows this, and they all work in the name of Allah . It's fascinating , and after wondering why people hate Islam?

I don't think they'll answer this particular question, because it has ramifications.  But it does appear that Muslim apologists often stumble on a question, and have to go find out about it and come back with some dogma.  Life ruled down to the Nth degree of detail.  What a wonderful culture for perverted Liberal Authoritarian Controllers, for people that get off on just telling others what to do.

These aspects would seem to almost define a Dark Age of culture and thought.  But maybe I've got that wrong, just rambling here.

Actually, I rather do. Both the man and his music. I disagree with his relgion, but he's a better representative of it's better nature than most anyone. Assuming the "true muslims" will admit that he is a muslim

So you don,t like cat stevens...I DO... HE IS well his music is anyway

The answer to the question as to the Muslim nature (or not) of these -

Was Khadaffi a muslim?
Was Khomeini a muslim?
Is Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam a muslim?
Was Yasser Arafat a muslim?
Are the members of the House of Saud Muslims? (and if not, why are they charged with the protection of Mecca and Medina?)

...very, very clearly is related to why and how people may "hate Muslims."

On the contrary, this is quite on point, as a number of you have stated that these acts are not carried out nor supported by "real" muslims. We, on the other hand, have responded asking clarification of a rather key point. Those people listed all claim to be muslims. Many are well respected in Islamic circles. Of the ones I listed, I personally think that at least three of them were trying to do right by their people, whether or not I agree with their methods. However, I have also stated on numerous occasions that I have no particular hatred of Islam, but that it is a widespread opinion. To actually answer that question in any substantive manner requires information that is currently being withheld.

So, in answer to your (incorrect) objection, let me be totally clear. I do not hate Islam as such. I hate some of the acts perpetrated by those who purport to be muslims, and I have a general belief that all religion is dangerous and should be exposed as such. Not specifically yours. Throughout human history, Religion has stood opposed to humans gaining knowledge. This device which you are reading my reply on would be considered a magickal device and witchcraft within the recently ended century, and in some parts of the world that would get you killed. With every passing year, we, humans, know more about everything. this leaves less and less place for gods.

Further, from a purely logical standpoint, if, as religions assert, there were a grand creator, and this being was indeed all powerful and all knowing, and had the desire to be worshipped, there would be no possibility of mulitple religions.

No no no !! you are wrong again here, we are discussing their why people hate Islam Correct?? now come to the point ?

Bolded above.

I think it's the response that comes up on their computer as the answer to questions that are difficult to answer.

That's a bit different than (correctly) classifying it as misrepresentation of the argument.

Meanwhile, no answers on the substantive issue.

Was Sayyid Qutb a muslim?
Was Khadaffi a muslim?
Was Khomeini a muslim?
Is Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam a muslim?
Was Yasser Arafat a muslim?
Are the members of the House of Saud Muslims? (and if not, why are they charged with the protection of Mecca and Medina?)

Actually, I was very explicit at multiple points in this thread in saying that NOT all terrorists are Muslim. I can name a terrorist group headquartered rather close to where I live, who's members religion is irrelevant. Earth First. You're avoiding the question. I can guess why, as it would tend to cause cognitive dissonance.

Again, I point you to the link to the well established logical fallacies in formal logic and debate. The particular one you are engaging in here is a strawman. Attempting to draw me in to defending a point I did not make or divert the question by rephrasing it in a manner that is contradictory to what I had stated.

You have (bolded) an incorrect premise, really just a ad hominem attack, followed by illogical thinking, and a wrong conclusion.

We are not discussing how illogic is okay in the defense of a religion - we are showing how it is the problem.  If you think it is the solution, and things move forward by ducking and dodging the substantive issues, that is propaganda.  Many are engaged in such things.  But that is not "defending Muslims."  Rather it is showing weakness and advocating poor logic and decision making.