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legendary
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December 26, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
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Whoa!! I have visions of what will happen in the future that come to pass too!.. like for instance, I had this vision last night that the sun would come up in the morning,
...and lo and behold, the sun came up!... its fucking magic!!! ...  


 But anyway, ateotd ............... it's why I'm an atheist.

 

https://i.imgur.com/3IW9d6u.png  

Well, that just goes to show you, by your own admittance, that you don't really know how the universe works. The sun doesn't come up in the morning. Rather, the Earth turns so that a different section of it faces the sun.

So, learn a little science so that you can stop spouting magic. All you are proving is that your atheism is a religion.

Cool

The book of Genesis is full of magic. ROFL.

How old is Earth, again? Please do tell us.

Please do tell us your views on evolution. LOL.

Science my ass.
legendary
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December 16, 2021, 07:25:44 AM
Where is Heaven?

Is that some sort of comic book convention?

Reading the statement at the bottom of your profile where the signature space is and what the conclusion you reached there, am forced to remind you what the holy book talks about in 1 Corinthians 1:27 as how God chooses the foolish things of the world to put the wise to shame. He chooses the weak things of this world to put the powerful to shame. You can read it up. Those who act wise now will always end foolish before God.

In your Christian mythology, what is God made of, what are his powers, and where does he live?

Can he make a stone that he could not lift?

Is owning human beings as property moral? Is it ok to kill men just because they had sex with other men?
legendary
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December 14, 2021, 05:43:17 PM
This is the most lengthy thread I have ever read since I joined Bitcointalk. You have done justice by analyzing the two most popular religious believe. I personally will not belong to any of those religion if it was only through just reading or listening to the religious leaders teach. I am a Christian, I stick to being a Christian because of my personal enchanters I have with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I have received healing severally without taking any drugs. The holy spirit guides me by showing me visions of what will happen in the future and they all come to pass.

So, fill yourself on the Bible. It's the only accurate source for Christianity. See you in Heaven.

Cool

Where is Heaven?

Is that some sort of comic book convention?
legendary
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November 07, 2021, 12:37:13 AM

Imagine that you didn't pay your property tax. Normally government doesn't, out of the blue, come and take your property and throw you out of your house onto the street. Normally they give you fair warning first, in the form of letters and a court trial.

God's government has given you fair warning. After all, you don't know what goes on with your life after you die. You might say "Nothing goes on with life after death. You're dead." But consider. If you live to be 80-y-o, haven't you pooped out your body several times over, replacing the dead cells with new ones, built from what you ate and breathed in? The last time your life is simply stripped of all the physical stuff, and is held in darkness (for people like you) but in a temporary body, in paradise (an intermediate place for believers until the final end of all things in the judgment).

But there are a few scientists in this realm that are recognizing that life here isn't the end, and that God does exist. Google "nassim gaia" (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nassim+gaia&ia=web) to find out that the things you call logic and science are way too inadequate to see the life beyond death, and that you have a stupid religion going for yourself in believing atheism.

Realize that it is you harming yourself, and that what I and the Bible say are simply fair warning.

Cool

Nassim Haramein is not a physicist.  His wild conjectures have been debunked ad nauseam.

He is a salesman, peddling his ideas to unsuspected, scientifically ignorant minds.

Many scientists accept parallel universe theory. All that Nassim Haramein  is really doing is taking parallel universe theory and extending it way beyond its limited scope. There are loads of scientists who debunk each other all the time. You simply fall into the camp that is against parallel universe ideas.

Now let me show you what atheism is. An atheist, or an atheism group, is simply a person/group who feels good about a few things of science he/they have uncovered. He/they feel so good that they become prideful, and set themselves up as god, and suggest that there is no other God. And they do this without checking anywhere in the universe (except under their beds, maybe) to see for a fact that there isn't any God somewhere else. They are so weak that they CAN'T check anywhere else among all the stars.

These atheist jokers haven't scientifically checked out the Bible to see that God is right there with them, and has been all along. God will deal with them according to their wishes, in the resurrection. No more God in the resurrection, because God isn't going into Hell to be with them like He is here. Hopefully they will come to this realization in the weakness of their old age, turn to God, and be saved.

Nassim Haramein is way closer to finding the truth than they are.

Cool

What would be the point of torturing people for eternity? Very vengeful and needy God.

Your God possesses very 'human' qualities, LOL.
legendary
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November 06, 2021, 10:28:32 AM

The Bible says stuff about earth. Lots of books do. People go to movies to watch things way more vile than what the Bible talks about.

The Bible also says that some people reject what the Bible says, to their own damnation. Such a vile book, because it is trying to bring jokers like you to eternal life in heavenly joy with God and the rest of the saints.

Actually, at the judgment, when you see the righteousness of God giving you what you asked for... Hell... won't make it any less painful there... except for the tiny bit of satisfaction in knowing that God is good enough to unbelievers that He gives even them what they asked for.

Cool

And back to physical threats, when everything else fails.

You cannot hurt someone who is dead already.  Just like you cannot anger a rock.

Imagine that you didn't pay your property tax. Normally government doesn't, out of the blue, come and take your property and throw you out of your house onto the street. Normally they give you fair warning first, in the form of letters and a court trial.

God's government has given you fair warning. After all, you don't know what goes on with your life after you die. You might say "Nothing goes on with life after death. You're dead." But consider. If you live to be 80-y-o, haven't you pooped out your body several times over, replacing the dead cells with new ones, built from what you ate and breathed in? The last time your life is simply stripped of all the physical stuff, and is held in darkness (for people like you) but in a temporary body, in paradise (an intermediate place for believers until the final end of all things in the judgment).

But there are a few scientists in this realm that are recognizing that life here isn't the end, and that God does exist. Google "nassim gaia" (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nassim+gaia&ia=web) to find out that the things you call logic and science are way too inadequate to see the life beyond death, and that you have a stupid religion going for yourself in believing atheism.

Realize that it is you harming yourself, and that what I and the Bible say are simply fair warning.

Cool

Nassim Haramein is not a physicist.  His wild conjectures have been debunked ad nauseam.

He is a salesman, peddling his ideas to unsuspected, scientifically ignorant minds.
legendary
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November 05, 2021, 09:37:12 AM

Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death.  Life and death are mutually exclusive.

You are correct about no life after death, only that there is judgement after death according to what the bible says in the book of Hebrews 9:27. I know you do not believe the bible or read it any more but am only stating that part in case you missed it. It means that once someone dies they do not have another opportunity to adjust their way and attitude until the day of judgement.

I don't care what supernatural stories some Bronze Age psychopaths conjured up.

BTW, the Bible also says animals can talk, Earth is flat and 6000 years old.  
It supports slavery, discrimination of women, killing of gays, killing of children, cannibalism.  

Why would any decent human being care what the Bible says is beyond me?

It is a nasty, vile book that everyone should actually read.

Your book does not scare me.  When death is here, I am not.  When I am, death is not.


The Bible says stuff about earth. Lots of books do. People go to movies to watch things way more vile than what the Bible talks about.

The Bible also says that some people reject what the Bible says, to their own damnation. Such a vile book, because it is trying to bring jokers like you to eternal life in heavenly joy with God and the rest of the saints.

Actually, at the judgment, when you see the righteousness of God giving you what you asked for... Hell... won't make it any less painful there... except for the tiny bit of satisfaction in knowing that God is good enough to unbelievers that He gives even them what they asked for.

Cool

And back to physical threats, when everything else fails.

You cannot hurt someone who is dead already.  Just like you cannot anger a rock.
legendary
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November 03, 2021, 08:23:27 AM

Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death.  Life and death are mutually exclusive.

You are correct about no life after death, only that there is judgement after death according to what the bible says in the book of Hebrews 9:27. I know you do not believe the bible or read it any more but am only stating that part in case you missed it. It means that once someone dies they do not have another opportunity to adjust their way and attitude until the day of judgement.

I don't care what supernatural stories some Bronze Age psychopaths conjured up.

BTW, the Bible also says animals can talk, Earth is flat and 6000 years old. 
It supports slavery, discrimination of women, killing of gays, killing of children, cannibalism. 

Why would any decent human being care what the Bible says is beyond me?

It is a nasty, vile book that everyone should actually read.

Your book does not scare me.  When death is here, I am not.  When I am, death is not.
legendary
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November 02, 2021, 09:04:58 PM

Why do you ask that? Everybody knows that snakes have a hissing speech.

We are so dumb. WE are devolving. Adam and Eve could understand the speech of snakes. We can't.

Cool

"Hissing speech", what the fuck is that? - Comne on! Dogs talk by barking. Some animals talk by growling. Some snakes talk by hissing.

Adam and Eve were linguistic herpetologists and used specially constructed amplifiers? - Back in the beginning, 7,500 years ago, everything was a lot healthier... different. The Bible record says Adam lived 930 years. His hearing abilities were much better than ours. So was his understanding for understanding the languages of the animals. And what Eve didn't have naturally, Adam taught her.

Do you know the size of the snake's brain?  Do you know that snakes can only hear in the 100-200 Hz range? - But we don't know what things were like that could make a person live to 930 years. So we don't know how much more glorious snakes were back then. After all, they even had legs back then.

Human consonants are in the 2000-5000 Hz range, while vowels are in the 500-2000 Hz.

How the heck did that snake hear and understand what Eve was saying to him?  Was she hissing to him in low frequency? - Answered that already. Seventy-five hundred years ago, things were a lot healthier. And we can't begin to guess what it was like, because it was before sin had entered the world.

BTW, the Bible says the snake spoke to her, not hissed to her.  LOL.  Genesis 3:4  

So take this up with your God.  That is what he said.  Snake talked to Eve.  LOL.

You just can't understand that when you talk by hissing, that's the way you talk. Some people might understand your hissing noises - your hissing speech - others might not.

Wake up a little. All you are doing is talking yourself out of your atheism religion.


Cool

A few thousand years ago people were a lot sicker than now.  The average life span was 35 years.  People were dying like flies.

Animals communicate by various means, but only humans developed vocal language.

Snakes do not talk, never did.  The Bible is a fairy tale.  God is a Bronze Age fictional character, along with the talking snake or donkey.


legendary
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November 02, 2021, 03:27:41 PM

So you think logic and reason can solve it all? No atheism there. Just a logic/reason false god.

Cool

What is the alternative? A made-up solution to all unknowns?

At least with logic and reason, it guarantees us that whatever we discover will be either factual or pretty close to it.

Science is a constant work in progress.

There will always be something we don't know, something that can be discovered.

With God and religious dogmas, you don't need to investigate anything, you already have the answers to all your questions:
"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."



Some people suggest that there are some 3,000 gods out there. You made up a new one - logic and reason. So, take your pick, or make up another new one. Guess what 3,000-gods shows us. People are religious beings. It's in their nature.

So, look at all the logic and reason that has changed over the centuries. Doesn't sound very god-like to me. Especially since we still use some of Aristotle's and others' logic and reason.

Of course science is a work in progress. Consider all the astronomy that is guesswork, because we haven't gone to the ends of the universe to see if it's really true or not. Science, a really weak god, except sometimes when we use it to handle things right around us. Why not accept the Bible records for what they are... eye witness reports.

You are wrong about religious dogmas. They are built on direct understandings from some religious ideals.

A microbe doesn't understand us we are so much greater than it is. God is far greater than we are. He has revealed Himself and the universe to us in the Bible. But...

Read Jesus's Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5 to 7, and realize that it is parables. Why is it parables? Because Jesus, Himself, said in other places that He only used parables when He spoke to the people, but He explained everything to His disciples, plainly. So, go to all those parables, and figure out the non-parable explanation for each. If you do that one thing, you will have a tiny explanation of what God is telling you. If you don't do this, it's easy to sit around and say, '"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."'.

No atheism. Simply frustrated people like you, because they won't believe the revelation the whole Bible shows us.

Cool

Can snakes speak?


Why do you ask that? Everybody knows that snakes have a hissing speech.

We are so dumb. WE are devolving. Adam and Eve could understand the speech of snakes. We can't.

Cool

"Hissing speech", what the fuck is that?  

Adam and Eve were linguistic herpetologists and used specially constructed amplifiers?

Do you know the size of the snake's brain?  Do you know that snakes can only hear in the 100-200 Hz range?

Human consonants are in the 2000-5000 Hz range, while vowels are in the 500-2000 Hz.

How the heck did that snake hear and understand what Eve was saying to him?  Was she hissing to him in low frequency?

BTW, the Bible says the snake spoke to her, not hissed to her.  LOL.  Genesis 3:4  

So take this up with your God.  That is what he said.  Snake talked to Eve.  LOL.
legendary
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November 01, 2021, 04:38:49 PM

So you think logic and reason can solve it all? No atheism there. Just a logic/reason false god.

Cool

What is the alternative? A made-up solution to all unknowns?

At least with logic and reason, it guarantees us that whatever we discover will be either factual or pretty close to it.

Science is a constant work in progress.

There will always be something we don't know, something that can be discovered.

With God and religious dogmas, you don't need to investigate anything, you already have the answers to all your questions:
"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."



Some people suggest that there are some 3,000 gods out there. You made up a new one - logic and reason. So, take your pick, or make up another new one. Guess what 3,000-gods shows us. People are religious beings. It's in their nature.

So, look at all the logic and reason that has changed over the centuries. Doesn't sound very god-like to me. Especially since we still use some of Aristotle's and others' logic and reason.

Of course science is a work in progress. Consider all the astronomy that is guesswork, because we haven't gone to the ends of the universe to see if it's really true or not. Science, a really weak god, except sometimes when we use it to handle things right around us. Why not accept the Bible records for what they are... eye witness reports.

You are wrong about religious dogmas. They are built on direct understandings from some religious ideals.

A microbe doesn't understand us we are so much greater than it is. God is far greater than we are. He has revealed Himself and the universe to us in the Bible. But...

Read Jesus's Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5 to 7, and realize that it is parables. Why is it parables? Because Jesus, Himself, said in other places that He only used parables when He spoke to the people, but He explained everything to His disciples, plainly. So, go to all those parables, and figure out the non-parable explanation for each. If you do that one thing, you will have a tiny explanation of what God is telling you. If you don't do this, it's easy to sit around and say, '"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."'.

No atheism. Simply frustrated people like you, because they won't believe the revelation the whole Bible shows us.

Cool

Can snakes speak?
legendary
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November 01, 2021, 12:06:52 AM

When you look at the powerful, ancient civilizations, you will find remnants of thousands of gods and religions. Many of them had the same religion you do, a religion of attempting to not have religion.

People don't know the future. They don't know if their car is going to get into an accident today, with them being killed. They don't know if their plane is going to crash. They don't know if Covid is going to get them. Some seek out the religions of gods and churches. Others seek out the religion of science and engineering. Others, "Whatever will happen, will happen. No use crying about it." Still others try to bury their minds in the religion of self-embraced ignorance. But all have religion, because they are religious beings, because nobody knows the future, and life is too scary to live without the security of something... a thing we call religion, which tells them that things will work out, so they don't go off the deep end.

Recognize this truth. Just because you had trouble with one religion, doesn't mean you stopped being human when you switched to the religion you have now... a religion of attempting to have no religion.

Cool

If you want a psychological crutch, pick something that is based on reason and logic.

If you want the truth, pick on something that is based on God. Reason and logic don't cut it. You can tell by all the reason and logic from the past that has had to have been redone, because it wasn't right.

Cool

I cannot because the concept of God is not based on logic and reason.

So you think logic and reason can solve it all? No atheism there. Just a logic/reason false god.

Cool

What is the alternative? A made-up solution to all unknowns?

At least with logic and reason, it guarantees us that whatever we discover will be either factual or pretty close to it.

Science is a constant work in progress.

There will always be something we don't know, something that can be discovered.

With God and religious dogmas, you don't need to investigate anything, you already have the answers to all your questions:
"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."

legendary
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October 28, 2021, 09:18:17 PM

When you look at the powerful, ancient civilizations, you will find remnants of thousands of gods and religions. Many of them had the same religion you do, a religion of attempting to not have religion.

People don't know the future. They don't know if their car is going to get into an accident today, with them being killed. They don't know if their plane is going to crash. They don't know if Covid is going to get them. Some seek out the religions of gods and churches. Others seek out the religion of science and engineering. Others, "Whatever will happen, will happen. No use crying about it." Still others try to bury their minds in the religion of self-embraced ignorance. But all have religion, because they are religious beings, because nobody knows the future, and life is too scary to live without the security of something... a thing we call religion, which tells them that things will work out, so they don't go off the deep end.

Recognize this truth. Just because you had trouble with one religion, doesn't mean you stopped being human when you switched to the religion you have now... a religion of attempting to have no religion.

Cool

If you want a psychological crutch, pick something that is based on reason and logic.

If you want the truth, pick on something that is based on God. Reason and logic don't cut it. You can tell by all the reason and logic from the past that has had to have been redone, because it wasn't right.

Cool

I cannot because the concept of God is not based on logic and reason.
legendary
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October 28, 2021, 02:05:35 PM

You truly think I did not try.  I was an altar boy. I believed in every bit of the stories in the Bible.  Until I turned 12.  From that point on, the Bible made less and less sense.

Now, when I open the Bible, it is just to point out to guys like you, that these Bronze Age stories do not make one iota of sense.

It is impossible to read the Bible and not realize what it is.  You have to be completely ignorant of the scientific facts to accept any of the
stories as truths.  10,000 years old, flat Earth, talking snakes, making humans out of dirt, or human bones, making plants before the Sun, or bacteria.  Virgin pregnancies?  Hell or heaven concepts, resurrection, three Gods in one, etc.  Not to mention the moral code, slavery, prostituting your own daughters, misogyny, discrimination of women and gays, cannibalism, killing children, killing whole tribes, the list goes on...

The Bible is a vile book written by primitive psychopaths over the course of 2,500+ years.  It should be studied and ridiculed for what it is.


You have told us your personal church history in the past. You switched your religions - Roman Catholic to man-made science - because you wanted to, not because Bible truths don't make sense.

The Bible is a wonderful book. It shows the love of God for you, in the fact of the life, suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, God's Son, for you. God is trying to give you eternal life, through His Son Jesus. And it pains Him that all that you seem to want to do is throw your life away.

You are on the verge of making a new start. The Catholic Church is not the right place. Nor is man-made science. Your better bets are Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, or one of the many non-denominational curches.

Cool

You still do not understand.  I do not need religion to feel content with my life, or have a purpose in life.

I find these religious cults repugnant, insincere, and childish.

Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death.  Life and death are mutually exclusive.

The chemical elements and the energy stored in the chemical bonds in your body are just recycled.  That is it.

You are wasting your time.

When you look at the powerful, ancient civilizations, you will find remnants of thousands of gods and religions. Many of them had the same religion you do, a religion of attempting to not have religion.

People don't know the future. They don't know if their car is going to get into an accident today, with them being killed. They don't know if their plane is going to crash. They don't know if Covid is going to get them. Some seek out the religions of gods and churches. Others seek out the religion of science and engineering. Others, "Whatever will happen, will happen. No use crying about it." Still others try to bury their minds in the religion of self-embraced ignorance. But all have religion, because they are religious beings, because nobody knows the future, and life is too scary to live without the security of something... a thing we call religion, which tells them that things will work out, so they don't go off the deep end.

Recognize this truth. Just because you had trouble with one religion, doesn't mean you stopped being human when you switched to the religion you have now... a religion of attempting to have no religion.

Cool

If you want a psychological crutch, pick something that is based on reason and logic.
legendary
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October 26, 2021, 11:59:06 PM

You truly think I did not try.  I was an altar boy. I believed in every bit of the stories in the Bible.  Until I turned 12.  From that point on, the Bible made less and less sense.

Now, when I open the Bible, it is just to point out to guys like you, that these Bronze Age stories do not make one iota of sense.

It is impossible to read the Bible and not realize what it is.  You have to be completely ignorant of the scientific facts to accept any of the
stories as truths.  10,000 years old, flat Earth, talking snakes, making humans out of dirt, or human bones, making plants before the Sun, or bacteria.  Virgin pregnancies?  Hell or heaven concepts, resurrection, three Gods in one, etc.  Not to mention the moral code, slavery, prostituting your own daughters, misogyny, discrimination of women and gays, cannibalism, killing children, killing whole tribes, the list goes on...

The Bible is a vile book written by primitive psychopaths over the course of 2,500+ years.  It should be studied and ridiculed for what it is.


You have told us your personal church history in the past. You switched your religions - Roman Catholic to man-made science - because you wanted to, not because Bible truths don't make sense.

The Bible is a wonderful book. It shows the love of God for you, in the fact of the life, suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, God's Son, for you. God is trying to give you eternal life, through His Son Jesus. And it pains Him that all that you seem to want to do is throw your life away.

You are on the verge of making a new start. The Catholic Church is not the right place. Nor is man-made science. Your better bets are Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, or one of the many non-denominational curches.

Cool

You still do not understand.  I do not need religion to feel content with my life, or have a purpose in life.

I find these religious cults repugnant, insincere, and childish.

Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death.  Life and death are mutually exclusive.

The chemical elements and the energy stored in the chemical bonds in your body are just recycled.  That is it.

You are wasting your time.
legendary
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October 26, 2021, 06:02:39 PM
Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.

All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.


Cool

Cure stories indeed.

God created Adam then Eve, nobody else was there to witness it, yet someone wrote about it 'exactly' as it happened.
Conversations with the talking snake and all. - Witnesses: Father God, Son God, Holy Spirit God.

Another one, Jesus was resurrected, and someone wrote about it 60 years later. - His resurrection was prophesied hundreds of years before He was born... in the O.T.

How about Islam? Quran collection of poems was written 30 years after Muhammad died, by people who traveled around Saudi Arabia
and talked to people who knew some people who knew someone who saw Muhammad, and told them what he said.  Go figure. - The God of Islam is a different God than the God of the Bible. It's a false God. How do we know? It doesn't have Jesus as God.

How about Mormons?  Tablets were found by a convicted conman, who then lost them, but convinced people that they were there, pure gold and all. - As long as Mormons believe the Bible if there is a conflict between it and the Book of Mormon, great. Many science books are science fiction without God, to their destruction.

It is all the same shit, different packaging.  All 'divinely' inspired. LOL. - Actually, the God of the Bible is very real. But since you won't accept the evidence of creation, why should He waste any more time on you?

Word of God my ass.

Yep. His Word set your ass in place. But if you didn't have one, nobody would know. They'd think you were walking on your hands.

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EDIT: I shouldn't have been so harsh with you. I know you are trying to make sense of this life. It can be difficult, but... turn back to God and the Bible, and God will clarify everything for you. Blessings on you.

You truly think I did not try.  I was an altar boy. I believed in every bit of the stories in the Bible.  Until I turned 12.  From that point on, the Bible made less and less sense.

Now, when I open the Bible, it is just to point out to guys like you, that these Bronze Age stories do not make one iota of sense.

It is impossible to read the Bible and not realize what it is.  You have to be completely ignorant of the scientific facts to accept any of the
stories as truths.  10,000 years old, flat Earth, talking snakes, making humans out of dirt, or human bones, making plants before the Sun, or bacteria.  Virgin pregnancies?  Hell or heaven concepts, resurrection, three Gods in one, etc.  Not to mention the moral code, slavery, prostituting your own daughters, misogyny, discrimination of women and gays, cannibalism, killing children, killing whole tribes, the list goes on...

The Bible is a vile book written by primitive psychopaths over the course of 2,500+ years.  It should be studied and ridiculed for what it is.
legendary
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October 25, 2021, 11:37:59 AM
Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.

All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.


Cool

Cure stories indeed.

God created Adam then Eve, nobody else was there to witness it, yet someone wrote about it 'exactly' as it happened.
Conversations with the talking snake and all.

Another one, Jesus was resurrected, and someone wrote about it 60 years later.

How about Islam? Quran collection of poems was written 30 years after Muhammad died, by people who traveled around Saudi Arabia
and talked to people who knew some people who knew someone who saw Muhammad, and told them what he said.  Go figure.

How about Mormons?  Tablets were found by a convicted conman, who then lost them, but convinced people that they were there, pure gold and all.

It is all the same shit, different packaging.  All 'divinely' inspired. LOL.

Word of God my ass.
legendary
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September 10, 2021, 04:20:44 PM

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

Cool

True.  We don't know how the first microorganisms formed here on Earth (or were brought to Earth by falling meteorites or asteroids), but everything after that we have very good explanations backed by observable data. - Our ability to observe is very limited. Nobody has seen a virus jump from one person to the next. The idea that people catch disease from each other is a pure assumption. Since science isn't that far into explaining the metaphysical, perhaps viruses and disease are caught metaphysically, by empathy between people. And maybe people get well the same way. So, our observational data that explains most of anything is interpretation and assumption.

Actually, if life on Earth formed rather quickly after Earth was formed, I am pretty confident a similar process might have occurred (is occurring or will occur) elsewhere in the universe. - I like your little "if." If the moon is almost 100% green cheese, and the astronauts just happened to land on the part that is rock, Wisconsin and California cheese-makers would flip their lids... the lids on their cheese-making cauldrons, that is.

As for human bodies, well, sorry, when you are dead, you are food for other organisms.  So you can shelf the story of Jesus as a fairytale for small children.  Sorry to break it to you, as I know your whole worldview is based on it.

But nobody knows enough about the metaphysical to know that your body is you. The idea that your body is you, is a fairy-tale for small children.

Learn about God from the Bible so you can finally begin to understand how things really work.


Cool

I would but God is nowhere to be found.  It is impossible to observe/study fictional characters.

Next time you talk to God, ask him to PM me so that I can set up a zoom call with him, and meet in person (to study and observe him).

Bible is a Bronze Age literary artifact.  It is useless as a learning tool.  Unless you want to learn about the Bronze Age cultures.

My interests lie elsewhere.
legendary
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September 10, 2021, 04:15:35 PM

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

Cool

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

But if you are not really flesh and blood and that you simply were created to think you are that you theory is wrong.

Of course if it is what you see is what you get then the flesh and blood would truly break down. You would be correct at least about the flesh and blood body.

My life's experience has shown me the following:

 the part of existence outside of me can contradict itself and basically do as it pleases.
I can choose to think and believe whatever I want about it.

The inside part of me my mind/soul/whatever can lie at times so well that it can trick me .  

So basically I simply try to be nice to others and not ponder upon these deep thoughts.


Microscopes don't lie.  The physics, chemistry, and biology of living organisms have been well established.  No need to argue about it.

As for the mythical soul, well, it is a literary fiction.  
legendary
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September 09, 2021, 10:39:07 PM

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

Cool

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

Cool

True.  We don't know how the first microorganisms formed here on Earth (or were brought to Earth by falling meteorites or asteroids), but everything after that we have very good explanations backed by observable data.

Actually, if life on Earth formed rather quickly after Earth was formed, I am pretty confident a similar process might have occurred (is occurring or will occur) elsewhere in the universe.

As for human bodies, well, sorry, when you are dead, you are food for other organisms.  So you can shelf the story of Jesus as a fairytale for small children.  Sorry to break it to you, as I know your whole worldview is based on it.
legendary
Activity: 2702
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September 09, 2021, 10:09:55 PM

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

Cool

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.
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