Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 5. (Read 88822 times)

Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

I am no atheist but there is simple explanation to your question.

The void is the universe itself, and the void that you are saying is expanding infinitely.

The existence of anything is due to the rapid expansion of our universe, and the existence of the void (universe) is due to the big bang.

So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?

So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?

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On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?

Christians claim that Jesus raised from the dead after 3 days.

3 days? What a coincidence. How many messiahs and religious figures raised from the dead after 3 days?

This myth was invented because of the Sun.

The Sun stays stationary between 21th and 24th December (for 3 days, the Winter Solstice) and then on 25th December “raises from the dead” and days start to increase in length again. It's because of this that it's a holiday for many pagans.

And it is also the reason why was picked by the church as the Jesus's "birthday".

They claim the resurrection has to be true, because the apostles wouldn’t risk their life for a lie.

Yet, there is no clear support for any organized and hard prosecution. Christians don’t claim that the Roman authorities killed anyone after the death of Jesus. The bible says that only Jesus was arrested.

Romans couldn’t care less for the Christians. No apostle claimed to be the king of the Jews.
According to Acts 18:12-17, the Roman proconsul Gallop dismissed a case against Paul.

Even if we believe the New Testament, there are just a few references to mild/mob prosecution and to the killing of Stephen.

And the apostles had good reasons to lie about the resurrection of Jesus (No way I’m going back to be a fisher again). They already had many followers or the Jewish religious authorities wouldn’t see them as a threat.

There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher).

This persecution didn’t last long. There were more than a century of toleration until Marcus Aurelius (161–180).

Christians were much more diligent prosecuting others later, for centuries. "Nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition", but...

There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher).

While it is possible that a person could die for a lie, in the case of Christianity, those who believed Jesus had risen from the dead, had credible evidence to support their fervent belief. Christians of that time had something in their possession that others who died for their beliefs did not have; a written record from eyewitnesses who stated they had seen Jesus crucified and then alive three days later.

This record also contained the testimony of the most astute Pharisee in Israel, Saul of Tarsus, who stated in 14 letters that He had seen the resurrected Jesus with his own eyes: “Am I not as free as anyone else? Am I not an apostle? Haven’t I seen Jesus our Lord with my own eyes?” ~1 Corinthians 9:1.

The Christians of that time knew well that Saul had persecuted Christians and sought their death. Immediately after Saul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, he became a completely different man. Now known as Paul, he became the chief architect of the true facts of Jesus’ resurrection and the certain truth that He is the true Messiah. It was these written records that caused the early believers in Jesus to not deny His resurrection and make them willing to die with confidence that Jesus had risen from the dead.

We see evidence of these facts in that when the Romans gave Christians the opportunity to deny Jesus, and worship their Roman gods, they refused. Christians were so certain that Jesus had risen, they were willing to die because they believe He would also raise them.

It is certain that Roman leaders did not believe in the resurrection, but they certainly accepted that Christians believed that Jesus had risen from the dead. It is this record that remains in the Roman Senate today that is compelling evidence of Jesus’ resurrection.

These facts were established by the writings of Roman Historians, Tacitus and Suetonius, as they described the resurrection as a terrible superstition that would endanger the Roman Empire. It was for this reason that we have an incredible record that Jesus had risen from the dead because history records that over five million Christians went to their death during a 250-year period of history under ten Roman Emperors, rather than recant and deny Jesus’ resurrection had taken place.






The following is the English translation of the text from the image above:

“Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, in the Capitol, then on the nearest part of the coast, whence water was procured to sprinkle the fane and image of the goddess. And there were sacred banquets and nightly vigils celebrated by married women. But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man’s cruelty, that they were being destroyed.”

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My position is all atheists are religious fanatics that choose to believe in nothing. Totally as fucked up as religious beliefs.
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The reality is we are simply too stupid to know what the fuck is happening and agnosticism is the only sane way to be.
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Btw if you a true agnostic you can switch to either god belief or nothing belief when and if they are correctly and accurately described to you by the universe.
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I was raised a roman catholic grades k to 8 a total of nine years of training.
I have come to realize I have zero need to believe in things i do not understand or know.
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ie God or nothing.
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For me good friends and kindness to people when possible are my goals while I live here on earth 🌏.
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whats next don’t know don’t care I will deal with it when it happens.

But if you are not really flesh and blood and that you simply were created to think you are that you theory is wrong.

Of course if it is what you see is what you get then the flesh and blood would truly break down. You would be correct at least about the flesh and blood body.

My life's experience has shown me the following:

 the part of existence outside of me can contradict itself and basically do as it pleases.
I can choose to think and believe whatever I want about it.

The inside part of me my mind/soul/whatever can lie at times so well that it can trick me .  

So basically I simply try to be nice to others and not ponder upon these deep thoughts.

True.  We don't know how the first microorganisms formed here on Earth (or were brought to Earth by falling meteorites or asteroids), but everything after that we have very good explanations backed by observable data. - Our ability to observe is very limited. Nobody has seen a virus jump from one person to the next. The idea that people catch disease from each other is a pure assumption. Since science isn't that far into explaining the metaphysical, perhaps viruses and disease are caught metaphysically, by empathy between people. And maybe people get well the same way. So, our observational data that explains most of anything is interpretation and assumption.

Actually, if life on Earth formed rather quickly after Earth was formed, I am pretty confident a similar process might have occurred (is occurring or will occur) elsewhere in the universe. - I like your little "if." If the moon is almost 100% green cheese, and the astronauts just happened to land on the part that is rock, Wisconsin and California cheese-makers would flip their lids... the lids on their cheese-making cauldrons, that is.

As for human bodies, well, sorry, when you are dead, you are food for other organisms.  So you can shelf the story of Jesus as a fairytale for small children.  Sorry to break it to you, as I know your whole worldview is based on it.

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

Fire needs oxygen.  It is really an oxidation reaction.  For the 'lakes of fire' to have a fire, you (God/Satan or whoever is managing the place) would need to supply oxygen and remove CO2.  This idea is as idiotic as the rest of the Bible.  Please stop and read a chemistry textbook.

What is the soul made of? (ROFL)

Hint: We know the exact composition of the human body.

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

My position is all atheists are religious fanatics that choose to believe in nothing. Totally as fucked up as religious beliefs.

The reality is we are simply too stupid to know what the fuck is happening and agnosticism is the only sane way to be.

Btw if you a true agnostic you can switch to either god belief or nothing belief when and if they are correctly and accurately described to you by the universe.

I was raised a roman catholic grades k to 8 a total of nine years of training.

I have come to realize I have zero need to believe in things i do not understand or know.

ie God or nothing.

For me good friends and kindness to people when possible are my goals while I live here on earth 🌏.
 whats next don’t know don’t care I will deal with it when it happens.

I just need to open this thread to start laughing. From the things I read from the believers, but also from the non-believers.

I already wrote that Christians walking around with crosses with Jesus nailed is to the very least disrespectful. People were burned alive or dug from the grave and burned after dead for much less than that.

Believers have more reasons to become atheist.

Science says they will sleep better, without the need to constantly having nightmares, thinking on burning on hell because of using a condom.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200828204948.htm
https://neurosciencenews.com/atheists-sleep-16926/

Yes the earth convulses or "vents" and volcanoes erupt and the earthquakes happen in many places.Don't assume it would be oxygen that causes the earth to convulse either. The Earth gets hotter as one travels towards the core, known as the geothermal gradient.The composition of Earth's core remains a mystery but yes as a lake is flat on the surface to your eyes on earth such will be the lake of fire within it.


Irrelevant-Refer to point regarding your soul below


The soul is not made of flesh. It is the individual spirit that is placed within your flesh vessel . It's what makes you "YOU" and not the person standing next to you.




I can see by your tone that no answer will be enough but lead to another question so I will leave it to the very God you question to answer you in full one day in a way better than my limited ability can but maybe Hebrews Chapter 10 will help your understanding of God's mercy.......all the way to verse 31 please.