Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 18. (Read 89022 times)

I am very sorry to inform you we don't live in the XIX century anymore and what you're stating is not a scientific statement.



Now you're saying that you are speculating when you say god exists.



Of course I am, entropy is what the definition of entropy says it is.


That's what you say, but it's not a scientific argument.



Ultimately, you don't know what the words you're using mean.



God doesn't exist. There's no complexity on that.



You go first and recognise that your believe in god is just that, a belief, and then I'll try to be fair to you. How can I present a fair argument to someone that states senseless things like that there's a scientific demonstration that god exists? You go first and recognise yours is a believe, then I'll stop mocking you.

Until then: god doesn't exist.

"Random" simply means that we can't track the noise. Everything that we know of operates by cause and effect. There is no evidence of pure random, spontaneity. There is no pure random in the thing we call random noise.


Thank you. Now you are saying that you are speculating when you say there is no God.


You are focusing on the definition of entropy. But as I said, just because an area suddently has greater complexity produced by something that is less complex, the less complex was given the ability to produce something more complex than itself by something even more complex than this produced complexity.

In other words, Complexity-A produces Simplicity that has the ability to produce Complexity-B. But overall, Complexity-B is never greater than Complexity-A, except that there is something more complex than Complexity-A that made Complexity-A to be a form of simplicity. Ultimately everything exists in a state of continual entropy overall... except God, that is.



There you go, contradicting the fact that you haven't examined every portion of the universe, micro and macro, to see if God is there. And you certainly haven't gone outside the universe to check there.



EDIT: Your faith in the idea that there is no God is self contradictory. Why? Because you are setting yourself up as God by claiming to believe something like there is no God. If you have faith that there is no God on the outside of your thinking, you absolutely know that such is false on the inside of your thinking... in your depths of thought.

Not really, rules can be generated just out of random noise.


We don't know how the rules of physics came into existence, so you're speculating.


Not really, and actually the opposite. Entropy is simply counting the number of possible microstates that are consistent with the macroscopic quantities of a system. Entropy for a closed system can only increase, so one could argue that (closed) systems tend to become more complex over time, not less complex.


There's no complexity in god, because god doesn't exist. Quite simple.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. In order for a very simple rule to exist, there has to be complexity that is complex enough to make rules... rules like the rules found in the laws of physics, for example.

What is there that is complex enough to make the rules of the laws of physics? Entropy says that everything becomes less complex, not more complex. If something more complex comes from something that is less complex, there is something even more complex that "programmed" the less complex to make the more complex.

We see nothing else in nature, except when we ignore some of what we are seeing.

God is complex way beyond our understanding of complexity.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. Complexity can come from very simple rules (the laws of physics, for example). Nothing intelligent about it, it's just a big system with simple rules, that if you have billions of elements/atoms following these rules, complexity simply arises. It doesn't even have to be the laws of physics, you can get very complex behaviours from random rules, simulated in the computer. Example: fractals.


God doesn't exist.

First there was the Model-A. Now we have complexity way beyond the Model-A. The complexity of nature is way beyond anything that we can even imagine. Complexity comes from intelligence. Look at the cars. God is the maker of the universe. He might be way too complex to even start to consider what He is. But he did quite an intelligent job of making the universe.

Besides, you get similar spectral readings from an electric plasma as you do from a nuclear plasma. Nobody has gone to the sun to prove it is nuclear rather then electric plasma.

Btw, if "superman, unicorns and vampires" are the ones who made the universe, then they are God.

Using the same reasoning, everything exists, including superman, unicorns and vampires.


Stars are complex thermonuclear machines that have no maker, they are generated spontaneously. Not all machines have makers.

God doesn't exist.

 

No steel dome enslavement, except maybe if you ask for it enough. Galatians 5:1:

^^^ That mad spinning carnival ride exists only in your head.

The house of God is a composite steel domed structure (the firmament) with electric lighting, that covers a stationary extended plain.

Thank you for proving that you know He exists. How did you do it? You haven't checked out everywhere in the universe to see if He is there or not. So, you know that you don't know that He doesn't exist. By making your bold statement, you are setting yourself up as God.

The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

Check out the scientific proof for God in the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322.

God doesn't exist.

But if a man is thoroughly bad, then good is bad in his eyes. But to live among people who think good is good, he has to be very clever.

Doesn't there have to be a basis for good like there is a basis for bad? God is good. The devil is bad.

You are right a man never wants to be bad  The situation forced him to be worse  When it comes to its bad times  I don't think God has to take care of it without blaming it. God sometimes tests us with hardship  He should always trust us to be there.

If an atheist is truly an atheist, God is right there with him, giving him what he is asking for, no god to help him.

If he is smart enough to get out of his trouble without God, why didn't he get out of it? Otherwise, call to God, and God will answer.

But answers from God don't always come in the ways we think they should, especially if we are not really asking, but rather only testing God.

Sometimes God tests us by giving us hard times during our life.
Maybe this is the case with your teacher. He should have faith to God and his problems are going to be overcome.

One of my school teacher was atheist and i give him right because he have big problem in life and he is not a bad person. Where was God that time?

Check out this thread to see that God absolutely exists, and to find out which god God really is - "Scientific proof that God exists?" - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322.

you are agnostic

If you lost your PIN, that's your fault, right? You won't accept that God exists, so He is doing you a favor by staying out of your affairs as much as possible... while holding you alive and in relative peace.

God didn't give us CV. Rather, he gave us freedom, and we gave ourselves CV.

If you want protection from CV and lots of other stuff, take together:
cayenne pepper,
apple cider vinegar,
lemon juice,
turmeric.

Otherwise, use MMS (chlorine dioxide) - https://g2churchnews.org/.

Google "MMS chlorine dioxide."

The simple formula is to mix:
28% solution of sodium chlorite in water;
50% solution of citric acid in water;
amount = 5 drops of each;
let sit for at least a half minute;
add mixture to 8 to 12 ounces of water;
drink immediately.

Google "MMS formula."

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God is seeing to it that you get protection from CV. But you already know that you need to take care of your lost PIN better.

So BADecker, what happened?  Where is your God?  Lost in action?

Where is my PIN number?

Instead, we got Coronavirus.  Nice going God, ROFL.