Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 19. (Read 89022 times)

20Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

26Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

The burden of proof is on the atheists. Why? Because we all know that machinery doesn't come into existence without a machine maker. And machine universe is so complex that the universe Maker would only fit our description of "God." Indeed, our description of God is far too small. God is tremendously great beyond any way we can describe Him.

Why does all the "stuff" that your Conclusion is the conclusion of fail? Because the results are God if you add the fact of the universe machine. You can't get correct answers with only part of the equation.

   
   Conclusion:

   The burden of proof is on the believers' side, since they are who argue for a positive thing: the existence of a mysterious higher being.

he left them alone to face the devil. did he stand next to the devil when the devil tested them nope.

and where they innocent as a child when they were alone with the devil yep.

go give your 18 month year old instructions to follow.  then leave them alone with the devil 😈   good luck with that.

tell me the old testament says they were not innocent and left alone to deal with the devil 👿

He saw that, of all things, a woman [Mary] was to be his Queen. Far worse than this, he saw that Logos/Sophia, God the Son himself was to become man, and to set one of those "vile [human] bodies" upon the very Throne of Heaven.

At all this Lucifer was at once inflamed with a mystery called Malice. Out of his own heart, by his own choice, by the free and unconstrained exercise of his own will, he preferred his own angelic glory to that of the Divine Purpose which was to "corrupt itself" with humanity. With all the wisdom and foreknowledge possible to an angel, Lucifer could see at once what his malice would involve. He could see, beyond any power of mortal imagination, the everlasting damnation which must inevitably follow from rebellion against God. He realized quite clearly that such rebellion was, as it were, to throw himself with all his might, for ever and ever, against a wall of adamant. Nevertheless, he considered it more noble to rebel and rebel for ever than to surrender the pride of his angelic dignity, and to pay homage to a Body less luminous and spiritual than his own. He was convinced that God's wisdom had gone astray, that the Creator had forgotten himself and he determined to have no part in such lese mateste, -such an undignified aberration in the otherwise beautiful scheme of creation. Certainly he would have to submit to the utmost wrath, to complete rejection from That which was, after all, the Being of his being. But one thing he need not surrender, the one thing which God had given him as his very own, for all eternity >>> his own will.

Along with Lucifer, there were many other angels who felt the same way ...  and all together, with Lucifer at their head, they turned their backs upon the Beatific Vision, flying and falling from the Godhead towards that ever/receding twilight where Being borders upon Nothing, to the Outer Darkness. It was thus that they put themselves in the service of Nothing rather than the service of Being, and so became the nihilists who were to do their utmost to frustrate the creative handiwork of God, and most especially to corrupt the fleshly humanity which he intended to honour. In this manner a whole host of the angels became devils, and their prince became Satan, the Adversary, and Beelzebub, the Lord of Flies.

Yet because God was infinite, because the shekinah reached out for ever and ever, the devils found no escape from his light. Turning from it they found it facing them. Above and below, and around on every side, they rushed towards darkness and found always the inescapable Light, the hated Love which began to burn them like a raging fire, so that the only escape lay inwards, to the solitary, isolated sanctuary of their own wills. Therefore this place of isolation and solitary confinement, where the light of God torments and gives no gladness, became the place of Satan's dominion, the Kingdom of Hell. Here he ruled over his own angelic hierarchy with its Powers, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels of Night... .

Just to help out a naive being in his understanding so that he knows a little more of the truth...

God didn't leave them alone. He told them not to eat the fruit. Their choice.

God didn't leave them alone. He even walked in the Garden in the cool of the day after they ate the fruit. We don't know if this was the first time He so walked. Or one of many. At the time of this walking, God promised them the Savior from the death they had brought on themselves by eating the fruit. The fact that the Bible exists, shows that God was with their descendants down through the ages after they ate the fruit.

No matter what one thinks about the attitude of God, the choice is still there. Believe and obey God, or be destroyed. What to believe is shown in the Bible. If it is too hard for you to understand, find a trained, Christian, Bible scholar to help you.

When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.” ― Robert M.

I simply choose my personal  truth of not knowing the truth and let people do what they want.

I will say this the old testament says innocent naive beings created by the most powerful being in existence  left to play in paradise but one catch don’t eat that fruit 🍎.

Leave the innocent naive beings alone and don’t supervise them then send the best liar in the universe to trick them into eating the apple 🍎. Good old devil 😈 seems like God was quite an a-hole.

to adam and eve and thus all us decendants.

       

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I'm also not going to do that against god, since it isn't his fault: every thing suggests that he doesn't exist.

   

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Therefore, I think I have grounds to say that I'm an atheist and not a simple agnostic.

   
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I just want to say that you are only denying the existence of God. How can you come up with the idea of God? Since you know Him, He exists. Another is that maybe it is your personal experience that makes yourself distance from God. Try to observe your surroundings. Can't you see how beautiful His creation? Well, I respect your view but I am not convinced of it.

I am an Atheist as I believe in super energy but not the forms given to them for the support of religion. Why such discrimination and not one faith which have right values to make peace and harmony. I dont often worship my god but I dont anything against people doing it . I support them too and have attended rituals and ceremonies