Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 19. (Read 89184 times)
Being an atheist is the same as being a believer - it's just another belief that God does not exist. We all choose the belief that for some reasons suits us the best. No concept is better than any other one. They are all the same - relatively true depending on your point of view at this moment. One can choose either and find themselves on the same distance from the truth as the counterpart. So it doesn't matter - pick the paradigma which feels the most comfortable for you now. Then you can change it at any time - they are all of the same value.
Stating reasons why you are an atheist is like stating reasons why you are a moron. You exist. Nobody can make another you except through what exists... sex. So, you try to state that dumb nature can make something as intelligent as you.
Guess what? Nature DID make something as intelligent as you. Dumb nature... dumb atheist.
Guess what? Nature DID make something as intelligent as you. Dumb nature... dumb atheist.
Doubt is very essential to faith, if you don't have doubt, you don't have faith because if you have faith and zero doubt, then you are not carrying "faith" but "facts". To have a "belief" in God, you must have doubts about his existence. If there's no doubt, you just "know" that he exists and the "belief" doesn't exist.
But all these only when you can prove existence.
Heck, us, I can't even prove that beside myself, anyone else exists and is not my imagination. That's called solipsism and I am a solipsist.
Basically, you can't prove that others exist and you can never know, they all can just be your imaginations!
So in the world, where you can't even prove the existence of others as equal to you, how can you even go on to have a belief on a creator who even if he exists, you won't be able to prove that he's nothing beside your mere imagination.
Also with hell and heaven 
But all these only when you can prove existence.
Heck, us, I can't even prove that beside myself, anyone else exists and is not my imagination. That's called solipsism and I am a solipsist.
Basically, you can't prove that others exist and you can never know, they all can just be your imaginations!
So in the world, where you can't even prove the existence of others as equal to you, how can you even go on to have a belief on a creator who even if he exists, you won't be able to prove that he's nothing beside your mere imagination.
Also with hell and heaven If you think knowledge comes from praying you are dumb as a rock.
A self-deluding psychological trick, that what it is. You gain absolutely zero knowledge from it.
People who don't care about the truth pray to invisible sky daddies.
It does not matter what you believe if you pray, you are a psychological weakling who knowingly or not, is fooling himself.
You don't believe me? Pray for me (or BADecker) to become a Muslim, see what happens.
If you think that somebody thinks that knowledge comes from praying, you are dumber than a rock.
Didn't you even read what he was saying? Faith in prayer works, even if it is only placebo effect. Science and medicine bear this out. Google "placebo effect."
How much more when people pray for God to be real, and He acknowledges them because He is real.
Why to you continually attempt to set yourself up as god over God, especially since you absolutely know that there is no way that you can determine that He doesn't exist?
Prayer does not work. If I pray for you to shut the fuck up about your Jesus, do you think it will work? Of course not.
If you chant some prayer sentences ad nauseam (or hum as part of your meditation), you might come yourself down,
reduce stress, relax, etc. This, of course, will have some positive health benefits. So does exercise and relaxing reading a book.
Prayer is a false proposition because the whole premise is set up on a falsehood. Prayers cannot work because mythological figures cannot
act and impact the physical world in any way.
That is why if you pray to God for something you cannot do or obtain yourself, the prayer will fail.
If on the other hand, you pray to God for something that you can do or obtain yourself, the prayer will work because you can personally act to fulfill the prayer. You can skip the praying exercise, and do stuff by yourself, save yourself some time.
That is why prayers are a waste of time.
Meditation has positive health benefits, that is not the point.
Superstitions do not work. You subjectively might think they do work, but objectively they don't work.
If you don't believe me, subject praying to the scientific method, see what happens.
All that you are saying is that you choose to be an atheist, and that it is your choice to remain ignorant about placebo effect.
If you think knowledge comes from praying you are dumb as a rock.
A self-deluding psychological trick, that what it is. You gain absolutely zero knowledge from it.
People who don't care about the truth pray to invisible sky daddies.
It does not matter what you believe if you pray, you are a psychological weakling who knowingly or not, is fooling himself.
You don't believe me? Pray for me (or BADecker) to become a Muslim, see what happens.
If you think that somebody thinks that knowledge comes from praying, you are dumber than a rock.
Didn't you even read what he was saying? Faith in prayer works, even if it is only placebo effect. Science and medicine bear this out. Google "placebo effect."
How much more when people pray for God to be real, and He acknowledges them because He is real.
Why to you continually attempt to set yourself up as god over God, especially since you absolutely know that there is no way that you can determine that He doesn't exist?
Ask your God to post here.
Or there are some things your Almighty Supreme Intelligence cannot do? So much for Almighty, and so much for Intelligence, never mind the Supreme Intelligence, LOL.
I dare you and your God. Do shit in this world, don't just sit in the ozone layer on your wooden trone, or wherever your devotees think you are hiding today.
Eliminate cancer, AIDS, birth defects, then we'll talk.
God, you little piece of shit, come out and post my PIN number, or strike BADecker so that he cannot write nonsense anymore.
Strike me for all I care. LOL. Let's go, motherfucker.
See, nothing happens.
Pooor sensitive, loving, sweet God. He sooo wants to give you the desires of your heart, and all you do is ask him to do contradictions for you. I almost can't believe how patient He is with you because of this. If I were in His place, I might have simply squashed you out-of-hand.
You ask God to be absent from your life by not accepting the loads of evidence and proof that He exists, and then you ask for Him to be in your life by contacting you through this forum. Make up your mind. Do you want Him or not? How in the world ridiculous can you get? (Please don't show me.)
I need to pray to Him and tell Him how much He is loved. I mean, you have hurt His feelings so greatly, that He needs to be consoled... so He doesn't destroy you out-of-hand.
Don't pray. It is a waste of time.
Do something useful, go to the museum and examine the fossils. Take Physics, Chemistry and Biology courses, learn everything there is about the history of nature. Then move on to study Astrophysics.
Come back in a few years and we can have a meaningful conversation on evolution, carbon dating, entropy, chaos, complexity, emergence or any other topics you fail so miserably to understand.
It's not a waste of time
Praying boost self confidence and optimism which will impact a person's mindset which will impact how they act which will impact the others which will impact a group of another which will impact the world.
Praying only produces overconfident, ignorant, indoctrinated imbeciles. You will not become more knowledgeable or wise by praying.
Study science, history, economics, foreign languages to become confident, not recite some superstitious phrases.
Read books on various subjects.
Okay if you think so. But imo it's not about the prayers it's about the individu. Praying or not if you're an ignorant person then you are.
also if you study science, etc etc - just like believers - or not- you can be overconfident too, feels like you know much, smarter than the others.
So i think you can't judge a person by amount of books they have read, or whether they go to chruch or not it's none to do with it.
Wisdom and knowledges can be everywhere not just books. Experiences i think is the most common. And experiences means everything you have been through consciously or unconsciously. Spiritual or scientific.
Prove it that praying increases your knowledge and wisdom.
Praying does squat. It will not help us develop new vaccines or find a cure for cancer.
If you think praying works, you are a gullible idiot.
If praying worked we would not have hospitals, hi-tech firms, NASA or research universities. People would just pray to get stuff done.
You don't get what i said then
It's mindset honey. It's alone will not help anything. But it gave people hope that change how they think and the more they work on it- it will help a lot. You can pray and still go to museums, reading tons of book etc. To pray it just take less than a minute, a simple "i hope today will be a good day" is a prayer.
You know about placebo effects? How our mindset can help us heal. It does not work alone, also like badbecker said- meditation. I live in an area where almost all people here meditate. People come all over the world to gain spiritual experiences, meeting the what so called as healer. I myself does not believe that but i've been here for long enough, hearing more enough to know they are almost all said they feel better, inside and outside. again, i don't buy that but man i think it's probably doctrines or brainwash system but then i think so what? They found their inner peace, they "feel" happier, they become friendlier- and some of people i know went to a lot of social project to help people.
"If praying worked we would not have hospitals, hi-tech firms, NASA or research universities." So you are a 100% sure all of those people who create or work inside hospitals, hi-tech, etc don't pray? lol they probably more religius than any of us here
Now i have a question for you, are you wise? do you think you have more knowledges than me who are a prayer?
I vote praying for my own self not for god. I'm a skeptic agnostic theist
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
Again, there aren't the many types of subhuman-failure fossils that would have to exist in the fossil record, if there was any evolution.
God is still the only viable method whereby life came about.
I just gave you the list.
Here's a list of the most populare failure fossils:
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....
http://humanorigins.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/images/banner/2.3.2-7_survival_ch%20April%202019.jpg?itok=xgKWxuZM
And, again. This list is interpretative. Absolutely no proof.
What is proof for you?
The only proof you would accept would be if it it was written in the bible.
What is proof for YOU? It seems that all you have for proof is some chart that somebody can draw any way he likes. So what if a person draws a chart, and a million people say that his chart is right? That isn't proof. That is interpretation or belief - like religion. Show some proof if you have any.
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
Again, there aren't the many types of subhuman-failure fossils that would have to exist in the fossil record, if there was any evolution.
God is still the only viable method whereby life came about.
I just gave you the list.
Here's a list of the most populare failure fossils:
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....
And, again. This list is interpretative. Absolutely no proof.
What is proof for you?
The only proof you would accept would be if it it was written in the bible.
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
Again, there aren't the many types of subhuman-failure fossils that would have to exist in the fossil record, if there was any evolution.
God is still the only viable method whereby life came about.
I just gave you the list.
Here's a list of the most populare failure fossils:
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....
And, again. This list is interpretative. Absolutely no proof.
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
Again, there aren't the many types of subhuman-failure fossils that would have to exist in the fossil record, if there was any evolution.
God is still the only viable method whereby life came about.
I just gave you the list.
Here's a list of the most populare failure fossils:
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....
Prove it that praying increases your knowledge and wisdom.
Praying does squat. It will not help us develop new vaccines or find a cure for cancer.
If you think praying works, you are a gullible idiot.
If praying worked we would not have hospitals, hi-tech firms, NASA or research universities. People would just pray to get stuff done.
Prayer, itself, is a form of meditation. There is a strong association between meditation and health. Google it.
Prayer itself doesn't work of itself. It's the relationship between the one who prays and God.
God doesn't act with people who pray alone. He acts with all of His creation. This means that He acts with people when they don't pray, and people who think they never pray... and think that they don't believe in God.
Since you don't believe in God, you wouldn't pray, even if it worked for everyone else. So, we still would have hospitals... places where as many as 800,000 people a year die from accidents and misdiagnosis, in the USA alone. So prove that hospitals are places of healing without prayer.
God doesn't want the prayer as much as He wants a relationship with people. Consider: If a car accident happens right by you, and you don't know who the people are, you might be inclined to help them, simply because they are people. But if they are members of your immediate family, or good friends of yours, you would be inclined to help them way more.
Same with God. He answers prayer of His people because of the relationship He has with them, more than He answers prayer for the people who He doesn't have a relationship with. But if those who are against God seem to be helped more, it's because God wants a relationship with them, as well.
It doesn't hurt God if people are against Him. He doesn't need people to be able to exist, Himself. He needs people because He is the only way that THEY can exist. It's His sympathy and empathy for them that cause Him to want the relationship. Just like you when you see the car accident. Go on your merry way after the accident, and since you weren't involved, it doesn't hurt you one bit. You help because you have sympathy and empathy for those who are hurting in their car accident.
The spirit/soul is a piece of each of us that is the basic form of what we are. God and His Jesus-salvation are the only way that the soul can avoid destruction. Your soul's destruction is something that is terrible way beyond your body's destruction.
Ask your God to post here.
Or there are some things your Almighty Supreme Intelligence cannot do? So much for Almighty, and so much for Intelligence, never mind the Supreme Intelligence, LOL.
I dare you and your God. Do shit in this world, don't just sit in the ozone layer on your wooden trone, or wherever your devotees think you are hiding today.
Eliminate cancer, AIDS, birth defects, then we'll talk.
God, you little piece of shit, come out and post my PIN number, or strike BADecker so that he cannot write nonsense anymore.
Strike me for all I care. LOL. Let's go, motherfucker.
See, nothing happens.
Pooor sensitive, loving, sweet God. He sooo wants to give you the desires of your heart, and all you do is ask him to do contradictions for you. I almost can't believe how patient He is with you because of this. If I were in His place, I might have simply squashed you out-of-hand.
You ask God to be absent from your life by not accepting the loads of evidence and proof that He exists, and then you ask for Him to be in your life by contacting you through this forum. Make up your mind. Do you want Him or not? How in the world ridiculous can you get? (Please don't show me.)
I need to pray to Him and tell Him how much He is loved. I mean, you have hurt His feelings so greatly, that He needs to be consoled... so He doesn't destroy you out-of-hand.
Don't pray. It is a waste of time.
Do something useful, go to the museum and examine the fossils. Take Physics, Chemistry and Biology courses, learn everything there is about the history of nature. Then move on to study Astrophysics.
Come back in a few years and we can have a meaningful conversation on evolution, carbon dating, entropy, chaos, complexity, emergence or any other topics you fail so miserably to understand.
It's not a waste of time
Praying boost self confidence and optimism which will impact a person's mindset which will impact how they act which will impact the others which will impact a group of another which will impact the world.
Praying only produces overconfident, ignorant, indoctrinated imbeciles. You will not become more knowledgeable or wise by praying.
Study science, history, economics, foreign languages to become confident, not recite some superstitious phrases.
Read books on various subjects.
Okay if you think so. But imo it's not about the prayers it's about the individu. Praying or not if you're an ignorant person then you are.
also if you study science, etc etc - just like believers - or not- you can be overconfident too, feels like you know much, smarter than the others.
So i think you can't judge a person by amount of books they have read, or whether they go to chruch or not it's none to do with it.
Wisdom and knowledges can be everywhere not just books. Experiences i think is the most common. And experiences means everything you have been through consciously or unconsciously. Spiritual or scientific.
Ask your God to post here.
Or there are some things your Almighty Supreme Intelligence cannot do? So much for Almighty, and so much for Intelligence, never mind the Supreme Intelligence, LOL.
I dare you and your God. Do shit in this world, don't just sit in the ozone layer on your wooden trone, or wherever your devotees think you are hiding today.
Eliminate cancer, AIDS, birth defects, then we'll talk.
God, you little piece of shit, come out and post my PIN number, or strike BADecker so that he cannot write nonsense anymore.
Strike me for all I care. LOL. Let's go, motherfucker.
See, nothing happens.
Pooor sensitive, loving, sweet God. He sooo wants to give you the desires of your heart, and all you do is ask him to do contradictions for you. I almost can't believe how patient He is with you because of this. If I were in His place, I might have simply squashed you out-of-hand.
You ask God to be absent from your life by not accepting the loads of evidence and proof that He exists, and then you ask for Him to be in your life by contacting you through this forum. Make up your mind. Do you want Him or not? How in the world ridiculous can you get? (Please don't show me.)
I need to pray to Him and tell Him how much He is loved. I mean, you have hurt His feelings so greatly, that He needs to be consoled... so He doesn't destroy you out-of-hand.
Don't pray. It is a waste of time.
Do something useful, go to the museum and examine the fossils. Take Physics, Chemistry and Biology courses, learn everything there is about the history of nature. Then move on to study Astrophysics.
Come back in new years and we can have a meaningful conversation on evolution, carbon dating, entropy, chaos, complexity, emergence or any other topics you fail so miserably to understand.
It's not a waste of time
Praying boost self confidence and optimism which will impact a person's mindset which will impact how they act which will impact the others which will impact a group of another which will impact the world.
Ask your God to post here.
Or there are some things your Almighty Supreme Intelligence cannot do? So much for Almighty, and so much for Intelligence, never mind the Supreme Intelligence, LOL.
I dare you and your God. Do shit in this world, don't just sit in the ozone layer on your wooden trone, or wherever your devotees think you are hiding today.
Eliminate cancer, AIDS, birth defects, then we'll talk.
God, you little piece of shit, come out and post my PIN number, or strike BADecker so that he cannot write nonsense anymore.
Strike me for all I care. LOL. Let's go, motherfucker.
See, nothing happens.
Pooor sensitive, loving, sweet God. He sooo wants to give you the desires of your heart, and all you do is ask him to do contradictions for you. I almost can't believe how patient He is with you because of this. If I were in His place, I might have simply squashed you out-of-hand.
You ask God to be absent from your life by not accepting the loads of evidence and proof that He exists, and then you ask for Him to be in your life by contacting you through this forum. Make up your mind. Do you want Him or not? How in the world ridiculous can you get? (Please don't show me.)
I need to pray to Him and tell Him how much He is loved. I mean, you have hurt His feelings so greatly, that He needs to be consoled... so He doesn't destroy you out-of-hand.
Don't pray. It is a waste of time.
Do something useful, go to the museum and examine the fossils. Take Physics, Chemistry and Biology courses, learn everything there is about the history of nature. Then move on to study Astrophysics.
Come back in new years and we can have a meaningful conversation on evolution, carbon dating, entropy, chaos, complexity, emergence or any other topics you fail so miserably to understand.
It's not a waste of time at all. Even if things happen that you never changed, God will still reward me extra for trying.
Ask your God to post here.
Or there are some things your Almighty Supreme Intelligence cannot do? So much for Almighty, and so much for Intelligence, never mind the Supreme Intelligence, LOL.
I dare you and your God. Do shit in this world, don't just sit in the ozone layer on your wooden trone, or wherever your devotees think you are hiding today.
Eliminate cancer, AIDS, birth defects, then we'll talk.
God, you little piece of shit, come out and post my PIN number, or strike BADecker so that he cannot write nonsense anymore.
Strike me for all I care. LOL. Let's go, motherfucker.
See, nothing happens.
Pooor sensitive, loving, sweet God. He sooo wants to give you the desires of your heart, and all you do is ask him to do contradictions for you. I almost can't believe how patient He is with you because of this. If I were in His place, I might have simply squashed you out-of-hand.
You ask God to be absent from your life by not accepting the loads of evidence and proof that He exists, and then you ask for Him to be in your life by contacting you through this forum. Make up your mind. Do you want Him or not? How in the world ridiculous can you get? (Please don't show me.)
I need to pray to Him and tell Him how much He is loved. I mean, you have hurt His feelings so greatly, that He needs to be consoled... so He doesn't destroy you out-of hand.
There you go, calling what is considered to be a string of success, failures. The failure is considering them to be successes.
However, the fact that you know that you don't know that God doesn't exist, shows that you are a hypocrite... and being a hypocrite shows that yo only wish that you were god over God.
I have no idea what are you talking about.
Do you know that Zeus does not exist? Can you prove it?
BTW, you are ignoring the evidence for evolution, and when I pointed it out you change the subject.
What does proof of God's non-existence have to do with evolution? Completely different fields of study.
Mythologies and Biology do not overlap. I am not sure why you think they are.
Of course you have no idea what I am talking about. You have to learn something to have an idea of what I am talking about.
What is God? God is a Supreme Intelligence with Almighty Power. When you look at the great and wonderful way the universe works, there is no other way for it to exist than by God.
One of the greatest things about God is, He allows you to have what you ask for... outer ignorance of His existence. Yet, He maintains Himself in your inner mind so that you can't say that He just dropped you (after you come to understand that He exists, that is).
Stuff in the universe simply doesn't happen by accident. We have absolutely no example of such. In fact, our example is just the opposite. Machines have makers. The universe is a fantastic machine full of machines that follow the laws of physics precisely. The Maker of the universe is God.
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
Again, there aren't the many types of subhuman-failure fossils that would have to exist in the fossil record, if there was any evolution.
...
There are, you just ignore them all.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species?sort_by=field_age_timeline_maximum_value
There you go, calling what is considered to be a string of success, failures. The failure is considering them to be successes.
However, the fact that you know that you don't know that God doesn't exist, shows that you are a hypocrite... and being a hypocrite shows that yo only wish that you were god over God.
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
Again, there aren't the many types of subhuman-failure fossils that would have to exist in the fossil record, if there was any evolution.
God is still the only viable method whereby life came about.
"Right" isn't subjective. It's built into our DNA.
"Right" has to do with self-protection, and empathy regarding the protection for other people.
Protect other people from eternal death in Hell. Promote the truth of God and His salvation.
"Right" has to do with self-protection, and empathy regarding the protection for other people.
Protect other people from eternal death in Hell. Promote the truth of God and His salvation.
There is no missing link. That's a myth.
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....
How come all these 'species' of humans existed in different times if evolution isn't true?
I've highlighted the problem with your argument; sausage links are made for a hotdog party not good science.Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....
How come all these 'species' of humans existed in different times if evolution isn't true?
You see different races of humans like dogs or rabbits doesn't prove Epstein didn't kill himself. How come all these rabbit holes exist if he hung himself on his knees?
The point is, if there was any evolution, there would be all kinds of failures in the fossil record. But there aren't any. But if there are one or two, there are not anywhere near the millions that would be required to exist if evolution were real.
The alternative - God - is proven again!
I'm pretty certain being extinct is a fucking failure.
And all other subtypes of humans went extinct except for the homo sapiens, the neanderthals are the most popularized ones.
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