Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 22. (Read 89184 times)

Cheers for the link,
To be clear, I am not a creationist.
I believe in evolution.

I guess I've missed a few fossil findings since school.
I had in mind  the following
Australopithecus->Homo habilis->Homo erectus->Homo neanderthalensis-> homo sapiens

I am my fish's God.
Before me there was no pond/fish/world in my garden,
On the 1st day I formed/dug their wrold,
On the 2nd day I lined their world with sand/earth
On the 3rd day I created/added their water
On the 4th day I created/added their plants
On the 5th day I created/added the fish
On the 6th day : i rested because I am more efficient that the human god
on the 7th day I moved on becoming my dog's God.  
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Joke aside, I would't find hard to believe that some kind of advanced civilization (call it Alien / God / whatever)  "dropped" on earth some human 10 000 - 15 000 years ago
This could be explaining the missing link between Lucy / Monkeys / modern humans

^^^ He attempts to simultaneously hold both the Copernican model and the model defined in scripture, the conflicting paradigms lead to an extreme form of Dunning Kruger amplified cognitive dissonance.

"Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a [perceived] lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction."

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

Bible witnesses show that Jesus isn't a myth. Your heart would, too, if you came to believe in Him.

Osiris witnesses show that Osiris wasn't a myth. However, there isn't any power in Osiris. The power in Jesus is shown from the beginning of the world, and expressed this way by Bible witnesses.

That's^^ a neat religion, one that has no proof to it. In fact, science is finding that life is so complex that it is acting more like the Hindu's suggest. When science gets a little further, they will absolutely discover that nothing other than God could make things exist as they do.



The fact that so many nations, and that so many people all around the world believe in God, simply shows that their differences are mistakes based on the fact that they don't have clear info about God. They are looking for and believing in God, because God makes sense. Machines are made by someone. The universe is a machine of machines. God is the Maker of the universe.



That's simply the reverse of saying it the other way."There are fundamental issues about which we still don't know enough, and ignorance is entirely the reason to believe God exists." Machines are made by someone. The universe is a machine of machines. God is the Maker of the universe.



The Bible examples that you give, are based on keeping people in perfection as much as possible. It's the way the universe works. Disobeying those rules and laws will ultimately ruing and destroy any nation. It's how the universe is built. We are watching the USA go downhill, simply because the people are turning away from some of the basic laws that of the Bible. God used the punishments to maintain the basic laws.

You have it entirely backward.



Some religious books are as you say. That's why you have to examine the whole situation surrounding the making of a religious book and the sayings of the religious book, in order to see if it fits what life is all about. Mostly, people don't know what life is all about without some religion telling them. And many people live their whole life uncomfortable because they haven't found the answer to what life is all about.


I know you are struggling. But if you scrutenize your major points closely, you will see that there is just as much lack of proof in them, as there is in any religion. This only makes your ideals into another religion.

It must be ignorance of what is really happening, to make you think that Jesus is a zombie. Either that, or you are making a new definition.

Jesus was raised to life after death by the glory of the father. His glorious, risen body is something that people will have to partake of so that they get the same kind of body in the resurrection that Jesus has.

Zombies are a lesser form of corrupted humans, that have passed through death to a sort-of pseudo life. Look it up https://www.dictionary.com/browse/zombie?s=t. This is almost exactly the opposite of Jesus.

Jesus was a Jew.
He rose from the dead and wants people to  symbollically eat his flesh.
So technically yes, he was a Jewish zombie.


Are you serious?
The Big Bang happened 13 billion years ago.
We can only now see planets, galaxies etc. that are 13 billion light years away. 1 light year is the distance light travels in 1 year.
It means the Big Bang happened - 13 billion years ago. What could possibly set the light reflect us as everything in space came from one single spot? Why are the planets we've sent robots to moving in the direction away from that spot like everything else in the universe?


But it's absolutely certain and there's nothing tricking you into believing a jewish zombie rose from the grave so he can make you live eternally if you telepathically communicate with him and symbollically eat his flesh so he removes a magical curse you've been cursed with because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree???

The difference is, science, physics, C&E (there is no known evolution) would be parts of this universe, parts that had a cause. God is outside the univere, in a "place" where He always existed, and became the cause of science, physics, C&E.

The fact that there is no known evolution, and the fact that people still believe in it, shows that all people have religion, some of it being made up from themselves.

I think we both experience the same sense of awe and wonder at the majesty of the natural world - and that is a great thing, far better than to be someone who just takes it all for granted. So we do have something in common!

For me though, the cause is science, physics, evolution. I find it all the more awe-inspiring that the incredible stuff around us, and us ourselves, all built itself. Something you'll never agree with, I know, but I'm glad we share that wonder, even if we disagree on its origin.

I have been out hiking nature a lot. And all I have ever heard it shouting was "God is great and good."

Find us a car that was never built, or one that was built out of some machinery laws that are not found in nature.

A Jewish zombie is a new one for me. Never heard of this.

What you don't know about seeing the BB through a telescope is, you don't know if something other than BB arranged the light that enters the telescope so it looks like a BB is out there somewhere.

The only reason we know that the stuff we see when we are driving on the road is real is, people got out of their cars and went and confirmed that it was real.

You don't know that you aren't being tricked by the light coming to earth, into believing that its source is BB, even though it may be something else altogether that is tricking you into a false BB belief, by arranging the light into BB patterns, when a BB never existed at all.

There's no evidence for the big bang but there is for a jewish zombie rising from the grave that can make you live eternally if you telepathically communicate with him and symbollically eat his flesh so he removes a magical curse you've been cursed with because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree???

And you believe this because someone wrote it in a book? There's also Harry Potter but we don't believe people are flying around on brooms.

You can buy a telescope and see for yourself the Big Bang is real. Everything originates from one spot.

https://youtu.be/zmrbjp-GDfk?t=301

Nature shouts evolution. Nothing has ever shouted louder or more conclusively than this. The evidence is literally under our feet.
The 'machines have makers' argument is an unsubstantiated faith, with no evidence to support it.

It's up to atheists to disprove the existence of God if they want, because nature shouts God-proof. Machines have makers.

Satan exists because God tells us He exists. I trust in God, not Satan. Is Satan your god?

God's existence is not only provable, but it is not not-provable.

So I ever talk about the God of the Gaps? No. You do. So the God of the Gaps exists in your mind.

Okay. So you believe that billions of people in the world don't exist because they don't post.

Being an atheist is a choice. The machine nature of the universe attests to God. Machines have makers.

We don't know that not seeing something doesn't make it to exist or not exist. That wasn't the point.

The point was that BB Theory is the anomaly that says that the BB that it produces doesn't exist. How? As I said earlier, BBT says that things were radically different in the beginning of the BB happening? But how can we know this? We used our math and physics to get the understanding of BB. Why wouldn't BB math and physics be different? Everything else was back then. So, our math and physics are producing something that they can't produce... namely, BB.

This doesn't say that some form of BB didn't exist. What it says is that we don't have evidence of BB, and certainly not in BBT.

Might as well say Peter Pan and Tinkerbell are real. Might as well say that E.E. (Doc) Smith's science fiction really happened. Might as well say that Andre Norton's Ross Murdock series is absolutely right. BBT proves that BB couldn't have happened the BBT way.

As far as the resurrection of Jesus goes, we have loads of witnesses who attest to Jesus in the Bible. Or are you going to throw out all the court cases in the USA and the UK because you weren't there?

I'm going to ask you a counter question. Since the BB didn't happen because we weren't there to see it,
how do you know Jesus resurrected since you weren't there to see it?