Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 16. (Read 89184 times)

That's your ignorance speaking. There are different kinds of atheism.


Human machines have human makers, but not human machines don't necessarily need to have any makers. Your argument is a non-sequitur fallacy. The fact you're basing your whole "god exists according to science" in a simple non-sequitur fallacy demonstrates how much bullshit you eat to rest easy in your beliefs. Which are just that, simple, run-out of the mill religious beliefs.

An atheist who doesn't attempt to believe that God doesn't exist, isn't an atheist by definition.

Second, science shows that God exists through cause-and-effect, combined with entropy, combined with complexity. There is no other way for this universe to exist without God... because of these 3 things. There is also that machines have makers. Atheism absolutely opposes God. So there is no way that one can truthfully say that God doesn't exist.

The true religion is the one that recognizes some of the things that are known facts - like the existence of God - and recognizes that there are things other than known facts that exist.

Machine nature is an absolutely proven fact. Our own experience with our own machines shows us that machines have makers. No belief necessary.

First of all, not all atheists believe that god doesn't exist, that's just your ignorance speaking.

Second, your argument also goes against you: if no one knows enough to say that god doesn't exist, it's because also no one knows enough to say that god exists.


No religion is true, because truth is knowledge and religions are not based on truth but their opposite: beliefs.


You don't know that, that's your belief.


You also don't know that, that's your belief.

Actually, it's the other way around. When you look at the complete definition of the word "religion," you find that everything that everybody does in life is involved with his personal religion. One of the best, simple places to look at religion is https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.

But even if this were NOT the case (a boy religiously fixes his bike), the way atheists treat atheism is the way that all people treat the religion of their choice, except that atheists don't call atheism a religion.

If this weren't enough, the fact that atheists try to convince themselves that there isn't any God, when they know for a fact that they don't know enough to say with any kind of certainty that God doesn't exist, shows that they are doing the same thing regarding God as other religions might.

This makes the beginning of a right religion to be one that recognizes that God exists, simply by recognizing the machinery of nature, that nobody can build nature machinery, and so the Guy Who did it absolutely has to be God.

Perhaps because atheism is not a religion 

Why go to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia? At least the Muslim religion makes some kinds of earthly sense. The atheism religion won't even allow people to capitalize its own name.

Actually, I'm kinda happy that you are so self-contradictory.

It's sad that now you've convinced yourself that you've convinced me to change my mind on atheism. I've never changed my mind. I see how you can get to believe basically anything as you're unable to follow logic arguments and spot errors in your logic.

Where do you live? A house? An apartment? Take a look at the wall. If it is painted, maybe nothing exists behind the surface of the paint, because that's all you can see, right? What you can see is all there is convincing proof of, right? The rest of it is a guess, right?

I'm not interested in convincing you of anything. You have talked yourself out of being an atheist. All I have shown you is that you have done this. If you don't like the idea, talk yourself back into the idea that you are an atheist.



You have to have a foundation somewhere. It can't be the idea that the only things you believe are things that have convincing proof behind them. Why not? Because most of this would doesn't have any convincing proof behind it. You saw it the first time, and that's all you think you need, to know it exists.

You hop into the car, turn the key, move the shifting lever, stomp on a couple of pedals, and drive away. Is that really proof of a car? The engineers and mechanics who built the thing will tell you a proof way different than yours. Whose is more substantial, yours or theirs?

If you can't even open your mind enough to realize that the universe is a machine, and that machines are built by someone, no wonder that you can't find any proof for God. If you can't think about combining cause-and-effect with complexity and with entropy, how in the world are you ever going to realize that they can't exist like they do in the universe without Something making them? And the Something fits the description of the thing we call God.

Continue on in your ignorance. It's okay. People aren't made to know everything about everything.

There are different kinds of atheists, I'm an atheist that is also agnostic. I'm a negative atheist, basically. I don't believe that anything exists except when there's convincing proof that it actually exists. So, by default, things don't exist, and if you want me to think that something exists, you have to prove it to me.


It's a curious thing that you talk about "if you were a bit smarter" when obviously you're lacking in that aspect. I mean, I've read the "proof" you linked and it's really not convincing. The only thing it convinced me of is that the author and anyone that believes in that "proof" is so full of bullshit that they can't see through it. There are so many contradictions and fallacies in the "proof" that I have serious doubts on your intelligence and sanity.

How can you be sure of what the authors of any proof would do? You can't even seem to think through the fact that you know that you aren't an atheist. If you were a bit smarter, you might realize that authors of proofs are simply observers of proof, who are writing down what they observed. If you understood this, you might be smart enough to think through the observations, yourself, to see that God is real.

Well if it's such a marvellous proof on the existence of god, I'm sure the author would be delighted to get it peer-reviewed. Otherwise, it shows the lack of confidence on the merits of his arguments, or shall I say blabber.

So you really think that there has to be peer-reviewed stuff for there to be scientific proof, right. Do you believe that you exist and are alive? (Of course, maybe you aren't and don't.)

You can believe you're a scientist all day long, but at the end of the day there's no peer-reviewed scientific paper anywhere, just a simple blogpost from someone's ass...

LOL! If you are really stuck in your beliefs, I don't care. You can say that scientific proof for God doesn't exist, all day long. Certainly I don't want to force you to understand science, even if I could.

 

Your arguments are bullshit and not scientific, thus yours is a simple belief.


In fact I say that to piss you off.


You absolutely don't know whether God exists or not, just like superman, unicorns or anything else. You just blab that they exist.

There is a difference between knowing that God exists, and believing in Him. You absolutely know your banker exists. But you only believe that he will take good care of your money in your savings account.

Since you have constantly been saying that there is no God, where am I accusing you of atheism? You simply haven't checked into the logic of your own atheism religion to see that it is a religion, because you absolutely know that you don't know that God doesn't exist. You just blab that He doesn't exist.

Of course, you could simply be lying about it all, just for the reaction.

You're accusing me of atheism, but you believe that your belief in god is science. That's hypocrisy, isn't it?

Okay. Anybody can continue to just blabber.

"Hello, Goodbye"

You say yes, I say no
You say stop and I say go go go, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

I say high, you say low
You say why and I say I don't know, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
(Hello goodbye hello goodbye) Hello hello
(Hello goodbye) I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
(Hello goodbye hello goodbye) Hello hello
(Hello goodbye) I don't know why you say goodbye
(Hello goodbye) I say hello/goodbye

Why why why why why why do you say goodbye goodbye, oh no?

You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

You say yes (I say yes) I say no (But I may mean no)
You say stop (I can stay) and I say go go go (Till it's time to go), oh
Oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello hello

Hela heba helloa
Hela heba helloa, cha cha cha
Hela heba helloa, wooo
Hela heba helloa, hela
Hela heba helloa, cha cha cha
Hela heba helloa, wooo
Hela heba helloa, cha cah cah [fade out]

There you go, claiming you are God by having the godly ability to know and claim that there isn't any God. And you do it right in one, short sentence.



"You say yes, I say no..."  

All you are proving by your talk is that your atheism is a religion for you.

Actually, you should read encyclopedias more carefully as obviously you don't understand them.



Actually, that "proof" is total nonsense and anti-scientific.


No it doesn't.



Actually if it were a scientific fact it would require an argument.


I've read your posts and that's my conclusion. You have no idea of the meaning of the words you use.


I am no god, as it doesn't exist and I do exist.


That's just anti-scientific bs.

And god doesn't exist.