Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 70. (Read 89022 times)

Did he program in all the bible flaws and contradictions as well?

Makes absolute sense. Here's how.

Everything operates by cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that everything has been programmed to operate the way it does. This means that when the Programmer, God, programmed the Bible to be written, He also programmed what the people who wrote it actually put into it. So, essentially, the Bible was written by God.

After all, try to show us something that happens spontaneously - anything - without something causing it to happen. There isn't anything. God programmed it all.

I dont get all these argument's about religion here.
Bible is a book.
Books dont get written by a god's,they get written by humans.
So why do we think,that there is someone in the skies,who rules the whole universe? because some book actually tells us that?
Makes no sense to me,but well,im an atheist.

Now you are simply playing on words. However, if what you say is true, it gives the Bible eye witness record more credibility.

Nope, as explain in a previous thread, science cannot prove anything about anything. That's not how it works.
So your claim that science is trying to prove evolution is false. Not sure if you just don't understand science or being deliberately deceptive.

Actually, it's the other way around. Science continually proves out the Bible when it touches on something that the Bible says.

The idea of a 13 billion old universe is a fictional thing that the science religion has dredged up. The 6,200 year old universe is historical record, recorded in the Bible.

Science keeps on trying to prove evolution. But all they have done so far is to prove that evolution doesn't exist. When they say it does, they prove that they are liars, or deceptive at best.

The big difference is that bible holes stay holes forever. Science holes get filled in, albeit slowly.

Sometimes science unplugs a "placeholder" bible misplugged hole and puts is own plug in as correct replacement. For example when the young 6000 year old earth plug was replace with the correct 4.5 billion year old earth plug.

Thank God for science. (Not the bible god of course, who gets things wrong.)

Bible holes have to do with lack of explanation about every blade of grass. In addition, only a few people are listed by name... compared with all the people who have lived. But that is not what the Bible is for.

The basic theme of the Bible is salvation of the mortal soul. Science doesn't even have a clue that the soul exists. Other religions barely have the idea of salvation.

Science has the biggest holes of all.

Oh, so your admitting the bible has holes now? I thought the "word of God" was the perfect infallible book? Care to share with us what holes your admitting to? There’s *plenty* of choice.

But a lot few holes than anything else that is available.   

Sounds like your banging your head against a wall. Considering Christian mythology has more holes than a colander, that's understandable.  

It is not logical that God would only share truth with a small bigoted group in one tiny area of the Middle East--God does not act unjustly unto his flocks.

But how would you know that the WORD was never written down by someone?

What criteria would you use to say "this word is not of GOD"? Since GOD is a word without a referent for the atheist, it is illogical for an atheist to claim that GOD "did not write anything"!

True religion is spiritual religion and is a seeking after God. There are many aids and props which may be of help in the "focusing" of attention but they should only be offered to man and certainly not imposed upon him.

It is essential to seek the Truth of the One God, to learn of His true laws and to serve His Creation. But in order to learn and understand more about the Lord, most of you need guides or spiritual leaders for you cannot accept your own perfection. Therefore, the problem is to distinguish between the good teachers and the bad teachers, the true prophets and the false; you may rightly recognize the issue as being closely related to the Problem of the Criterion, which is “one of the most important and one of the most difficult of all the problems of philosophy.”

Emmanuel gave you the exact answer---"YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS."

In other words, one must look to the actions, the fruits of those who would be teachers or guides. Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, who, like the American Indians, "respect all worship of Him by others and show respect to such things as are held sacred by others", who bring peace and unity to the world by sowing the seeds of love and compassion, patience and tolerance, and who practice what they preach by helping all in need, regardless of race, color, creed, sex, nationality---all “relations”, which, of course, is ALL. These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!

Only he has a right to call himself worthy, who lives in the light of God's word brought to earth by prophets of all religions for only by being in the truth of God's light and truth is one a prophet. Religions and associations are set up by man who then sets himself up as the decider of truth instead of leaving God's word whole. Ignorance is the cause of religious conflicts from one doctrine to another if they claim their source is God. People talk and yet fail to realize the oneness in All. There is no difference between Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Baha'i or Native Indian. All are from the same mold. Only the veil of ignorance separates them. Ignorance has its roots in the ego, it does not see Him in all things but on a most petty and shallow level.

What is the best name, then, for God? ANYTHING YOU CAN USE TO REMEMBER HIM BY IS BEST: Jehovah, Om, Allah, Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka---whatever, for he knows thy heart-call, not the noise upon thy lips and lungs for those are of earth flesh. The heart soul is that which is of God and to that he always responds--for the call always compels the answer!

You must stop of the separating out of the divisions of the various doctrines and see that that which is wondrous and truth is within all. You must gather the essence of the great perfection from all truth for truth is always truth--always and 100 percent. Man can err and come unto God--man cannot turn from the truth of God and come unto God. If you turn away from the Laws of God and the Laws of The Creation and practice in the ways of Satan and evil, ye shall be left to thy evil and it shall consume of you for evil shall always consume of itself. You may, 100% of mankind, rewrite of the laws and vote upon them by democratic vote---it will change not a hair for changing of them does not make them changed. It only sinks you deeper into the lie for once knowing the truth of it you can never "unknow" of the truth. For another man to tell you a thing which is wrong is right, only makes you the fool if you follow in his stupidity.

What I think your missing is, people interpret everything differently. I'm not christian, but I know that the Bible was Gods word but after all was written by man based on his interpretation. And that's what people do, read and interpret. So you blame the people for interpreting things.
I see your point and what you're trying to say, but try and see things with the perspective I am.

That's very true, I agree, you could call it common sense. But the thing is not everyone is the same, and the idea of no eternal consequences really gives people ideas to mess things up.
What I'm trying to say is, religion is a result of really smart marketing, but it's important to guide people with the herd mentality, many people don't steal rape or do crazy shit because they believe in afterlife and that whatever they do has consequences.

Let's make one thing clear:

God did not write anything.  40 or more, bronze age psychopaths wrote bible "laws", over the course of 1500-2000 years.

Sounds like you don't know how to say what you are trying to express.

God wrote the laws that we are to obey in our hearts. Our sensitivity has been waning over the thousands of years because of entropy. We can barely "feel" the laws in our hearts any longer. Yet, if you go out and murder someone, especially for no reason at all, you will feel the law in your heart rising up and telling you that you did wrong.

The other basic laws are there in our hearts, as well. They prick us a little when we disobey them. So, we avoid disobeying them at times, but then indulge the disobedience at other times. God reacts to this fickleness of ours perfectly in ways designed to offer us salvation from this disobedience, which is destroying.

Some people like you, have almost entirely glossed over their conscience, or at least parts of it. They have hardened themselves against the guilt that they feel, because they know there is no way to perfectly correct anything that they have done wrong. And they don't like feeling the prick of their guilt all the time.

God offers forgiveness for all this wrong that people have done. He offers it through the sacrifice that Jesus did, when He gave up His life on the cross. Jesus as God had the strength to take the mistakes of all people in His death. Jesus as man was punished, because it was mankind that sinned. Jesus as God was restored to life after 3 days in the grave, because nobody can destroy God.

It's all there for you. Freedom from the guilt in your heart is waiting for you. Faith in Jesus and the work that He did on the cross is how you access it. Once you believe in Jesus and forgiveness comes to you, then fill yourself on the Bible (starting with the New Testament) so that your faith is strengthened, so that you can have everlasting life in Heaven with us.

The wicked fickle ones he created,  deliberately making them wicked and fickle, all the time knowing they would act wicked and fickle because he's omnipotent.

Then gets angry because they act wicked and fickle.

Sounds legit.  

Rather, He reacts in perfection, perfectly, to fickle, wicked humans.   

Your god is very fickle. What about tomorrow?