Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 68. (Read 89022 times)

Christian rules are not immoral in nature, the concept of marriage and having a family came out of religious beliefs and the family has a stabilizing effect on the society.

Give me your BTC, address, I will tip you! Never saw a more decent post in my entire life.
Here are my views:
1. Those who believe a teacher blindly just for the sake of respect can never dream to reach out to a new discovery.
2. We are blind followers of religion since our parents enforce its importance from childhood.
3. Religion creates bias among nations and the work of our ancestors is what we have today in front of our eyes
4. Challenging the preaching of a priest will lead to mass murder and still, those who want an answer will back down.
5. It is my life! I define my destiny, not a priest! Fuck them!

An atheist is uncertain only because: By the relativity of our thought we are eternally debarred from knowing or conceiving Absolute Being;

yet this very relativity of our thought, necessitates that vague consciousness of Absolute Being which no mental effort can suppress.

there ever remains with us a sense of that which exists persistently and independently of conditions, and this belief which persists at all times, under all circumstances, has the highest validity of any belief.

An atheist is uncertain only because: None of the suppositions respecting the origin of the Universe are even conceivable in the true sense of the word. We think in relations, therefore by the laws of thought we are
1) prevented from forming a conception of absolute existence,
2) prevented from excluding the consciousness of absolute existence

From the necessity of thinking in relations, it follows that the Relative is itself inconceivable, except as related to a real Non-relative. Unless a real Non-relative or Absolute be postulated, the Relative itself becomes absolute, and so brings the argument to a contradiction.

A "certain" belief is one which persists at all times and under all circumstances. The consciousness of absolute existence is a mental element which exists absolutely. If you don't understand this argument, you are in luck because I have excerpted some key parts of it below and provided a link to the full treatise. Happy thinking.  

Agree, burden of proof lies on that one that presents something, you can't say "please prove that I don't have 1000 btc in my wallet right now" it's so stupid in any argument you put it.

The difference of an (real) atheist from a believer is that we have no absolute certainties at all, especially about any god.

We don't say that god doesn't exist, we just say that we have no reasons to believe that he exists. It's the same that we say about vampires or dragons.

The burden of proof is on anyone arguing something positive, like that there is a higher being that created deliberately the Universe.

Some of my friends are atheists, some aren't, i gues you'll find fanatics in both ways, and great people in both ways also, but as you meet more and more, you find out it isn't just both ways, everyone's a whole world, getting to know each other is so cool, and as you said, fanatism ruins your point of view.
Fanatics use "god" as an excuse to do things, and even do bad things thinking that "their god will forgive them, so everything is okay as long as they do prayers or what their religious says"

Well, science (the thing that proves God exists) is a human creation, as well, right?

Smart parents taught this kid to swim, and he doesn't want out of the pool.

This is reason why I am atheist .

1) God is a human creation.

   All the hundreds of religions/sects and their multiple absolute contradictions seem to be plenty evidence that all gods are human creations.

   The same conclusion can be based on the known influences of ancient myths and religions on the current main religions [the flood, the virgin birth, the resurrection after 3 days, Christmas day, Sunday (day of the Sun, the roman god Sol Invictus) as the holyday and not the Sabbath, etc.].

   Gods are just one of the illusions mankind uses in order to be able to deal with the conscience of the inevitability of death. Humans created a god and an afterlife mainly because they feel anguish about dying.

   Even in the religions that claim to worship the same god, the contradictions are overwhelming.

   As you know, both Christians and Muslims say they worship the Torah's god, Yahweh. Islam says Jesus was an important prophet, but not the son of god. And Christians simple reject that Muhammad was a prophet. But the Qur'an says that his god is the god that sent Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

   But Yahweh initially was just a god in the middle of others. Most Jews, even during David times (about 1000 BC) and after, kept praying to other gods of the Canaanites (Semitic people comprising the Phoenicians, the Jews and some other peoples of the Levant).

   There is controversy, but Yahweh has been identified with EL, the supreme god of the Canaanites, that had one or two wives and an extensive number of sons (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)#Hebrew_Bible). Or, initially, with one of his sons: sometimes, Baal (the confusion was easy, because Baal means Lord; clearly, later, the Torah fights this identification, by ridiculing Baal), sometimes Hadad, sometimes a different son.

   In some of the Jewish holy books, we can still find several traces of this evolution, with references to a council of the gods presided by EL/Yahweh (Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19) or to different gods (Deuteronomy 32:8–9) (see, a summary in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew).

   Well, the Greeks were influenced by the Phoenicians and copied their gods, with different names. El was Uranus, the father of all gods (or sometimes Cronus, since some mythology says El was not the original god, but rather Elioun), that was deposed by his son, Cronus. Cronus was deposed by Zeus. The Romans used the same Gods (Caelus as Uranus; Saturn as Cronus and Jupiter as Zeus).

   So, are the believers on the three main religions praying to Uranus (Caelus) or even to Cronus (Saturn)?

   But, even if they are considered the same god, just compare the vengeful and jealous god of the Torah with the loving and forgiven god invented by Jesus.

   The contradictions are so big between them that some scholars (like Marcion of Sinope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism) and christian sects (like the Gnostics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Dualism_and_monism) even defended that Yahweh, the Torah's god, was a different god or even the devil.

   Some of the most fracturing religious issues, like the so-called divine nature of Jesus, or its degree, divided drastically Christians and were finally settled by bishops on majority voting, under pressure from Constantine to reach an agreement.

   If Constantine, as roman emperor, was considered divine, how could Jesus be less than him? Of course, we can't find any evidence on the Gospels for that (not even on John's Gospel), but they couldn't care less for that detail.

   Most Christian churches defend the Trinity, that the father, the son (Jesus) and the holy ghost are not exactly one and the same, but are part of god. But these churches argue that this is perfectly compatible with a monotheism.

   Basically, Jesus on the Olive Garden and on the Cross wasn't exactly talking with him self, but something similar (if he was already complaining on the Garden, I imagine the family discussion when he arrived "home").

   Ancient Greeks could argue that they also had a father, Uranus/Cronus/Zeus, and their sons and parents, all part of a divine family. That the difference was of grade, and not nature, and so that they too were basically monotheists in this flexible sense, because they too had a supreme god, he just had a bigger family.

   But what all these contradictions, but also influences and slow evolution, point out is that gods are a human creation.

   With all these different gods and interpretations, are all the believers on different religions or sects lying or mistaken, but you?

Perhaps we would like it to be that way. But a microbe knows a lot more about man than man knows about God.

*cough* BADlogic *cough*

Stephen Hawking says that perhaps multiple universes 'just are'; just came into being from nothing.

"The Brain with David Eagleman" episode 6 suggests that consciousness can perhaps be transferred.

My stance is that;

Only the absolute source of all existence can successfully claim to be "God". Hosea 8:5-6

For anything/one to claim to be "God" He must not have been created, and nothing must be above Him.
The Father of all existence, actively maintaining all existence, if He ends, all existence also ends.

IF this kind of ever existing "God" does not
1. allow complete free will to everything He creates
2. allow Himself to be subject to the same things His creatures are subject to
THEN He can not claim to be Righteous and Holy.

The earth and universe being only a little over 6,000 years old, and a universe in entropy as well, tells us that the ancients from the time before Noah and shortly after, had far greater abilities to think than we do. Knowledge about God and the creation was available to them, in writings and from their ancestors, even though much of it wasn't believed.

Knowledge about God abounded among people, even though it wasn't believed correctly. There was demon influence that twisted what the people thought they knew as history. The demons knew general basics of the plan of God for salvation of people. They twisted it, and implanted it in various religions that they helped wicked people to create. They showed the future (although imperfectly) because they knew much of what God had in mind.

All this is why there is partial Bible knowledge found in other ancient religions. Moses, at the time he was prince of Egypt, learned about this, and sorted it all out. God directed him to write the truth down in the first 5 books of the Bible, so that people would have a record of the truth.

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A note here: Plants like marijuana, but others that are a lot stronger, influenced the ancient peoples to contact demons. Then the demons they contacted influenced them to turn from the understanding about God and the truth. That's what demons do.

Stay away from hallucinogenic drugs. Because of entropy, your mind isn't strong enough to resist the demons as much as the ancients were able. You will only be dragged away from God, towards damnation by them (the demons) if you weaken the natural resistance of your mind by the use of drugs.

Probably he just read it online or maybe with some books on the library under fictional books section and just alledgedly thinking that it was automatically true. He didn't even support his argument with something that's seem to be a viable reason.

I watched an documentary Zeitgeist that said that most of the things in bible are summed up from the different religions of the ancient civilization. It seemed very relevant. Religion was manipulated to control the common people under the same law.

Did you visit Israel yourself or only study acient Israel online and library? 

Ken Ham, owner of the "creation museum" and noah's ark replica both featuring dinosaurs...

Claims that Pokemon Go is evidence for creationism (sounds like BADlogic)

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/07/19/ken-ham-pokemon-go-is-evidence-of-creationism/

When you study the Bible record, the nation of ancient Israel, how the Bible was put together, and the many things the Bible talks about, you will see that the Bible is truth.