Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 67. (Read 89022 times)

The healings done by Jesus and His apostles as listed in the Bible are eye witness records of thing that we can't do very easily today. Nor were the peoples of the world before the time of Jesus able to do them... easily.

You can substitute the word jesus with santa clauss, zeus, thor, buddha, the flying spaghetti monster, jeova, etc. ... and still have exactly the same amount of evidence (which is zero)



I am also agnostic towards santa clauss, in the sense that I cannot disprove its existence.. but from not being able to disprove, to actually believe in it...

This one is amusing.

The Pope's and the Buddhist's hats aren't even little, but are completely ridiculous.

I wonder if sometimes they even look at a mirror before going out.

Theist failure isn't in explaining. Theist failure lies in their inability to get atheists to look at and understand how it works. Of course, this is only because the atheists CHOOSE to NOT look.

Take a look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15839622, and think about it. If you take the time to truly think about what is written there, you will come to understand the weakness of mankind, the strength of God, and the fact that mankind has limited free will, while God has unlimited free will.

Pro Jesus;

- thousands of years of prophecies in stories predicting Jesus character and mission
- fine tuning of the universe
- complex DNA coding
- materialism has been proven wrong by (quantum) physics
- christianity sparked and sustained the evolution of modern civilization (including science)
- cosmic linear evolution, everything seems to be "directed" in a certain direction

Against faith;

- where does God come from?
- lack of help from God during trials and suffering in personal lives (where are the healings, why so many children die of starvation etc.?)

I have a theory for all religions, our brain subconsciously knows survival means everything, if people hear stories about eternal life their own mind will deceive them into believing it simply because survival is everything, that is the way our brains work and function, we have evolved to maximize our chance for survival and pass on the best genetic material. This could for example explain Saint Paul his experiences, also needless to say some of the claims of Saint Paul are hard to believe, for example many people rising from their graves and walking around in Jerusalem, why didn't historical writers at the time mention all those zombies?

I think the most reasonable position is to be an agnostic, I simply don't know....

I like our brave soldier of god (he can even take a joke without losing his head; he deserves to go to heaven; too bad, there isn't one), but I take that as an insult. 

Of course, as an atheist, I couldn't never believe on what I wrote.

But anyone that believes on an omniscient god have to accept that he knew exactly how we would be when he (allegedly) created us.

So, god would be creating conscientiously and deliberately atheists.

We could say that god was doing that in order to use atheist as an example to teach a lesson to theists.

But since god could create good theists that would never need any burning of atheists to be good theists, the only rational explanation to someone that accepts the premises that god exists and is omniscient would be that god is a sadist that loves to burn unnecessarily atheist in hell.

Free will is incompatible with the omniscience of god.

If he knows the future, he knows what we are going to do and, therefore, everything we do is already determined.

Determined by god, since he created (allegedly) us exactly as we are and determined to do what he knew we would do.

Of course, all of this only points out that there is no god and that, anyway, logically, he could never be omniscient and good at the same time, taking in account how bad the world and humans in certain situations can be.

But this is a dilemma theists have been trying to deal with (and failing miserably) for centuries.

Actually, atheists love to burn in Hell. That's why they try to resist God-knowledge in themselves, knowledge that would save them if they simply accepted it... in the face of science and nature showing them that God exists.

I had to do a double-take here -- this totally looked like something BADecker would have written.

There is a great difference. People have to believe in Jesus to be saved. But for sure, if they are atheists, they do not even believe in God, and are not saved at all, but are damned.

When the time will come when God calls his people to himself, for God there is no difference believe in it or do not believe. Another thing the believers have to be ready for this relocation. And atheists have not easily accept such a change events. Many atheists for their stubbornness, will not be able to find a way to God's kingdom. They will not be able to hear God's voice.

As Saint Paul said in Romans, God gave us the law so sin would become utterly sinful.

If nobody on Bitcointalk is converted to believe in God and be saved, the thing that HAS happened is, they have read the things about God, and have set themselves in concrete (so to speak) against God. Since they have set themselves to be this way, it will be easy for God to not accidentally grab them as His own when the time comes for Him to take His people to their new home in Heaven.

Since god (allegedly) created all of us, knowing very well what we would do and believe (the good book say he is omniscient, knows everything: Psalm 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be"), he created us atheists.

Why is the question theists have to answer.

Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.

Clearly, this brave soldier of god thinks god is going to save him for spending his time trying to convert us.

The problem is that he is so bad (if his nick was suggested by a theist friend, I know where his friend found inspiration for the nick) trying to convert us that he ends up doing the opposite: he stimulates atheism.

At best, he will end at purgatory for instigating atheism. At worst, he will end up with us in hell. Wouldn't it be fun? He could keep preaching us there.

I seriously doubt he converted anyone on bitcointalk. If I'm being unfair, feel free to post if he converted you.

"Gobekli Tepe isn't 13,000 years old" 

"The Universe and the world only have about 6,000 years" 

Carry on the good (from our perspective) or god (from his perspective) work.

Or I not correctly expressed his thought, or you do not understand me. But it is not important. Interesting. What do you have against the scriptures and commandments, including ?! The conflict with your view of the world, such statements. Like, do not kill, do not steal, You shall not covet your neighbor's wife ...

God is science, art, money? Sounds like a very religious person to me. I agree with you that faith makes living easier because you have to think less about your own actions and just follow some 2 thousand year old rules. It also helps you to accept your own death. A  lot of elder people become religious again.

It is difficult to live without faith. It does not matter what you believe, the main thing that this faith helps you live. But theists really cunning. Talking about what they do not believe in God. Just for atheists, God is the science and art of some, god is money. So atheism is a religion too.

Actually, God working with theists is the reason atheists even have a life. After all, since he saves many theists to eternal life, why not convert some of the atheists so some of them can be saved, as well?

Besides, nobody knows that Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old. It's part of all the things that the scientific community assumes, just so that they can downplay the idea of God.

Thanks, but no need to tip me.

If you want to help us, atheists, promoting reason, science and tolerance, just post on this thread sometimes.

No doubt, many theists are tolerant people, however, the number of radical believers has been growing (thanks just to their higher birth rates and massive indoctrination of their children) and they can end up being a menace to our way of life or, at least, the one of our children.

Radicalism/orthodoxy has been rising not only on Muslim countries, including Turkey or Indonesia, but also on Israel and even on the United States.

And, yes, in the end, religion is mostly about the power and financial support of a cast of professional priests that live on the credulity of their fellow citizens.

And this has been going on for at least 13,000 years (see Gobekli Tepe).