Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 77. (Read 89032 times)

Because a dirty bishop just got sacked for covering up abuse cases..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-GJ1ygbM04..        PEDO VICARS..

Also these young kids prayed to god and god let the vicar abuse them..
WHAT TYPE OF GOD IS GOD?..Not very powerful or very evil which is it?..

RELIGION IS EVIL

Or maybe god answered the vicars prayers by bringing all these kids to abuse?

Some people get a psychological support from family and friends.  Others get it from imaginary friends, aka God(s).

Atheists have a strong understanding of reality around them.  They can distinguish what is real and what is not.

To answer the OP question:

I'm an atheist because I can think critically. 

These days I don't even consider religions worth studying.  They are in the same bucket as dragons, witchcraft, warlocks, ghosts, tarot reading and astrology, among number of other superstitions.

Religions were invented for one purpose: To control and unite large groups of people.

Entropy is the breaking down of complexity through dispersal, dissipation, and diffusing, etc.


However, we see it no other way. Since entropy is the breaking down of complexity, it is also the breaking down of complex intelligence. During all the time that has existed, entropy has been breaking down the complexity of intelligence.

This is scientific law. Everything to the opposite is speculation.


This is only the direction of focus of mankind. Mankind is becoming less intelligent. Because of this he has to find something that can hold intelligence in place for him. He is designing the computer for this. Multiple millennia ago, mankind was more intelligent and did not need computers. So, he never designed them.


What does this mean? We don't know that there is not a limit. We don't know that the universe of space isn't a set thing that is simply extremely gigantic. "Expanding universe" without explanation of whatever you are talking about by the term is meaningless.


So, here you are, finding no answer, turning to name-calling.



Thanks for the good wishes. I return them. However, entropy is the breaking down of complexity, intelligence or otherwise. So you see? Not only are you having a hard time of thinking, but it has caused you to barely be able to read.

But your next point shows that you are not doing it... at least not with regard to your post here.


Exactly. There is no evidence of pure random, which is real random. The general random that you and I use when we roll the dice or flip a coin is not pure random. It is simply evidence of our weakness to understand all the forces acting on the object of our focus.

The universe cannot exist with random pure random activity.


Correct. The universe is complex. No argument or disagreement there.


Math and probability show that evolution is not possible. In fact, evolution is so impossible that it cannot begin to have a setting within the possibility area. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-mathematical-impossibility-of-evolution-1454732.


Perhaps. But why look to theory, which is guesswork, when what I am showing you here proves the existence of God?


All I am saying is, since intelligence is a complex thing that is within the universe, entropy is reducing the complexity of intelligence just like it is reducing the complexity of everything else. In other words, over time, intelligence is diminishing.


Cause and effect, a scientific law that exists in everything, is evidence of the pre-programming in action.


Exactly. But since there is intelligence and emotion in the universe, where does it come from? After all, if they didn't exist at the time of the Big Bang, entropy would keep the complexity of intelligence and emotion from ever existing. So, why are they not figured into Big Bang Theory? BB is greatly flawed.

As an example. There are 3 major BB theories. There are 4 major Black Hole theories. Yet none of the Black Holes from the BH theories could fit in any of the BB universes. They simply don't sync. It's all guesswork. Fun to play with if you like juggling math and physics. But a waste of time if you are looking for something solid in life.



My above explanation is exactly why science shows that God exists.

Entropy shows that there is a beginning, and that everything is becoming less complex since the beginning.

Cause and effect show that every little thing exists according to the way the thing(s) that caused it to exist moved it. And each cause was caused by some other cause, which was caused by some other cause... all the way back to the beginning.

Whatever could set the cause and effect of this complex universe into motion, must be very complex in itself. Since there is intelligence in the universe, cause and effect caused the intelligence to exist. Whatever could cause this whole thing including the intelligence, necessarily had to be even more complex. Why? Because entropy is reducing the complexity of everything, even intelligence.

Something that is great enough and intelligent enough to program the universe into existence fits our definition of the word "God."

If you could think critically, you would stop being an atheist. Why?


So far, cause and effect is a scientific law, that is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, which is law because of the billions and trillions of things that happen daily that show that it is fact, and by the fact that nothing has factually refuted it so far. Pure random has never been shown to exist in anything. In fact, the concept of pure random is not really understandable.

Even if science has not formally declared the universe to be complex, we can understand that it is complex, simply through the fact that after decades of research, the medical hasn't been able to cure cancer and heart disease, to say nothing about finding a way to let people live for a mere 200 years.

Even though entropy is extremely complex, the factual understanding about it is that everything is gradually moving from complexity to simplicity. Given enough time, complexity as we know it would not exist. Further, science is having a difficult time determining exactly what nearly complete entropy would be like.


1. If the universe had existed continually forever, without beginning, then entropy would have reduced it to a state of simplicity long ago. We would not exist. Because of this, we can see that there was a beginning.

2. Complex intelligence - such as the intelligence of mankind - is part of the universe. Because it is part of the universe, it is affected by entropy, just like the rest of the universe. This means that formerly, intelligence was greater than it is now.

3. Cause and effect in everything shows that everything was pre-programmed. People are the AI of the universe. The Thing that is behind the pre-programming is intelligent beyond understanding to have been able to pre-program it all, and especially the intelligence of mankind. This great Intelligence fits our dictionary definitions of "God."


There is nothing that is science law that competes with the above. There might be lots of science theory - like Big Bang Theory - that might appear to compete. But even Big Bang Theory doesn't take into account things like intelligence and emotion... doesn't have any explanation for them.

The point is, the strongest part of science - science law - shows that God exists. Don't you think that it is time that you start to think not only critically, but clearly, as well?

Interesting thread.

In my becoming an atheist, I do not know how, why or when exactly. But lately I keep bringing up to my brother about god and religion in the exact way as the OP. I would rant and rave sometimes and thankfully, my brother is patient. Then recently my brother said "you're an atheist". I was stunned, and answered back that I still believed in god, but not religion. Then he answered back "you're just saying that to be in a safe spot, but judging from what we talked about, you're an atheist."

Sadly (yes! sadly. I was brought up as a catholic), he's right. I don't believe an a deity. No matter how hard I force myself to believe or "go back" to god, I do not think it's in me anymore. I am simply incapable of believing.

In other words, we feel free to make choices in life, like what color socks to wear today. But really, it is destiny that has everything programmed. Is that it?

since every person is born already destined to have a religion. they must follow the wishes of their parents and ancestors. if they are given the guidance they will convert. it is destiny that can not be refuted.

OP would like to shift the discussion away from his claims. OP will think he's being rational because he is happy with his assumptions and their own consistency.

To be "rational" is generally considered to mean employing logical consistency and deriving appropriate conclusions from acceptable assumptions.

Is this what OP has done with his claims and arguments? I don't think so; I believe that OP has presented arguments from ignorance and used these arguments as unstated assumptions to promote his conclusions.


I think that OP has chosen not to engage with these ideas and references because he cannot think clearly and is incapable of intelligently assessing new ideas when presented.

On the issue of the return of Jesus:

Another chemical, Psilocybin (found on certain mushrooms and with promising results on depression), provoked mystic and religious experiences on people that took it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/opinion/sunday/can-mushrooms-treat-depression.html
http://www.nature.com/news/magic-mushroom-drug-lifts-depression-in-first-human-trial-1.19919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin

It seems scientists discovered another chemical that has as an effect granting that Jesus will appear to you.

I guess psilocybin, ketamine and similar chemicals, are to god/Jesus what the bell was to Pavlov's dogs. Every time Pavlov ringed the bell, his trained dogs salivated.

Now, we discovered god's conditioned reflex: one takes Psilocybin and god appears obediently to us.

It's great that god/Jesus are even better than quantum particles, they can be at the same time on millions of different places.

However, it seems that, if a lot of people start using this in order to cure depression, they will put under pressure this omnipresence of the Christian divine family.

The holy father, Jesus, the holy ghost, the "virgin" Mary or other members of the vast divine family (isn't Christianism considered a monotheism?), shall be conditioned to appear to a lot of people.

If you are not a christian, this will work also on your god. It seems granted: he will appear.

I can imagine the future ads about these chemicals: "Have a chat with god everyday", "Arrange with god your arrival to paradise", "We can guaranty you divine attention daily" or "Tired of god not answering back?".

Disclaimer: it seems that it only works if you are a believer. I wonder if you know why? (no offense intended)

Sounds to me you couldn't come up with a good answer to my previous post, so you just pressed some random keyboard buttons and that nonsense popped out. 

Your logic is based on lack of knowledge of the complexity of the universe. However, if anyone is given a second chance because of his inability to think straight, it will be you.

So he must of sent the bad people here to start problems in this life as well. In which case the good people aren't truly good people because it wasn't their choice to be good. Same logic with the bad people as well.

Yes. God has sent good people here to stop problems in this life. The thing that tarnishes ith goodness of good people is when they do not accept God.

Nailed it!

I wish you would extend the same sympathy to me, but it seems that you are not ready to discuss the details behind the evidence presented by NDEs (specifically in Dr. Parnia's AWARE study) and Hammeroff, even though this evidence is totally in sync with the Bohmian model discussed in this very article.
I challenge you to think clearly and show this thread that you are capable of intelligently assessing new ideas when presented.

If your assertion is beyond doubt then you should find it easy to respond to Hammeroff's assertion that feelings came before the brain, and that it is easier to accept that consciousness drives evolution. How do you respond to his arguments?

Why are you refusing to discuss the complexity of the paramecium (per Hammeroff) and the complexity of the NDE? The first suggests microtubules as a sort of facilitator of consciousness, and the second suggests that consciousness is imperishable and fundamental. The evidence appears to be sound, so what exactly is your hang-up about these ideas?


If that is true, then why are you refusing to engage in a rational debate with me at this juncture? I am one who is skeptical about Darwinian evolution, but who HAS the evidence to back up the new scientific theories, all of which are needed to transform our understanding of various mysterious observations such as NDE and the observations reviewed by Hammeroff. I still don't have any concrete information about why you disagree with the observations that have been presented; My goal in this discussion is to convince you of this idea:

It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.