Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 81. (Read 89032 times)

The point about Moloch is, he proves that atheism exists by one main method only.

You and I and a lot of people can show Moloch the scientific reasons why God exists, and why atheism is religion. So, what can Moloch do except to use the only scientific field which can bypass all the others?

If Moloch and knowledgeable atheists were truthful and honest, they would have ceased to exist as atheists long ago. But because they aren't truthful and honest - to say nothing about the fact that they are not forthright - they absolutely MUST go to the one science that might have any kind of a chance of proving that atheism is right, and that God doesn't exist.

Which science is this? It is Political Science.

Moloch isn't a master of Political Science. At least not the way he is using it regarding atheism and God in this forum. Rather, he is training himself to be a master of it... or he is a master and is just playing with us because he doesn't have anything better to do.

How is Moloch using Political Science? Through his continual propaganda. In other words, he talks, talks, talks, without anything to back up what he is saying, while throwing in enough REAL knowledge in a twisted form, so that he looks good.

Whatever Moloch's goal, he is simply talking with hot air. He is propagandizing. And he is getting really good at it. He is getting so good that I can't see him not applying the words that I am saying here to us rather than himself.

The difference is, you and I have the other sciences to back up what we say, while he does not. But as long as he can convince us, by means of using Political Science, that he is using the other sciences, we wind up batting at the air, because Moloch answers with Political Science, one of sciences that we don't use.

I don't really blame him. I kind of feel sorry for him. He is like the proverbial rat with his back to the wall, and all there is left to do is fight, with whatever means and methods are left to him. It's all he and other atheists have. If they want to reach their goal - whatever it is, although it includes a lot of pure propaganda - the only thing they have left is Political Science. And with our posts, we are helping him (and others like him) to learn to use it proficiently and effectively.

Seriously you stupid fuck

DO NOT GIVE OUT IGNORANT MEDICAL ADVICE

YOU COULD KILL SOMEONE!

OK, you bring up one "blue man" who grossly misused CS... But atheism is harmful for health for so many more individuals, as we have already discussed ITT. Furthermore: in the below thread we have evidence that those who meditate can improve their health and DNA, so already this is plenty of reason to seek to understand meditation and meditators; therefore, I have pointed you to Alan Watts as introductory material, so now you can add this thread to your reading list as well:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14735612

Now, I point you to Alan Watts' book and meditation because those who have meditated extensively are not EVER inclined to tell you that this ego is the sole form of experience for YOUR awareness.

I also pointed you to Cayce because he discussed these topics extensively and regardless of what is presented to anyone else, I have presented to you the successful and fulfilled predictions mentioned in my source, you only attempted to address one of them or change the subject to failed predictions, but were mistaken about the danger of ingesting CS when it is prepared properly. No one who has educated themselves is really at risk of becoming blue, so I suggest you likewise educate yourself about meditation before the health effects of that ego get to YOU.

Religion is Capitalism in an ancient form.

I am an atheist because i don't want to work for someone and make that person rich from my work.

Instead of that i build my of religion (business) and make people work for me (worshippers)

How about that?

Obviously, boss means god in this equation

The science shows that it is not only silver "salts"... any ionic silver will suffice

You see... the thing is... the silver ions form their own salts when they come in contact with a negatively charged ion... that's how chemistry works

When the Ag+ ion comes in contact with any negative ion, they form a bond... creating a salt... that's chemistry 101

Here's the kicker... Argyria is specifically caused when the Ag+ ion bonds with a S- ion (Sulfer)... that's the specific salt you need to avoid... but simply avoiding AgS will not work, because you have plenty of Sulfer in your body already... that's the problem...

When you take large amounts of Ag+, it bonds to the S- ions already present in your body... Argyria occurs when these ions, instead of being expelled in your urine like normal... instead migrate to your skin, where they stay forever... like a tattoo... it's not particularly harmful, but you will look like a smurf

This can even happen when the Ag+ is applied externally as in the case of Paul Karason:


You can see his face is purple, and his hands... because that is where the silver touched... his arms are normal because he did not apply silver to his arms



This is waaaaaay off-topic... can we get back to atheism?

Hey Moloch, I think that you could do more reading and thereby gain knowledge; you have accepted that claim as factual, but my sources say otherwise; check out these facts which counter the claim that you are making:

Argyria can only be expected when high levels of silver SALTS are taken.

Ionic silver will try to plate out on any silver particles it finds. Since there will be colloidal silver which already passed into the blood, there will be lots of particles for it to plate out on. So in short order the silver in the silver chloride plates out onto the colloidal particles already there, and they grow by a small amount. This is insufficient to cause them to get caught up into tissues, and they eventually get removed by the kidneys.

So, as it turns out, colloidal silver is actually a prophylactic against argyria, instead of a cause as some would have you believe.

How do you intend to refute the above facts?

Based upon all available evidence... it's the cause... the only cause... and most definitely the cause of argyria 100% of the time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria#Cause
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria#Colloidal_silver

It's provably the cause... go put some on your skin and watch it turn purple... it happens (be aware it will never turn back to normal color; you will forever look like a smurf)

Colloidal silver is actually a prophylactic against argyria, instead of a cause as some would have you believe.

I've read all about Edgar Cayce... I own at least 6 books about him, as well as the entire collection of readings on CD-rom from the foundation (which cost me like $80 btw)

It's a great story, but it's not legitimate as presented to the public...

All of his "cures" revolved around silver or gold ions, which are very effective at fighting many diseases (currently the only effective method to treat MRSA)... I cured an ear infection using silver ions from a coin I had laying around... it works... that's science, not god

Just don't overdo it on the silver or you'll turn purple (seriously)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk

All of his predictions failed... he predicted the east coast of the US would fall into the ocean over 10 years ago... he predicted we would find the secret knowledge of the pyramids... he gave exact dates for many things, which failed to come true...

Perhaps you can start with Edgar Cayce:

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a27

or Alan Watts:

http://reset.me/story/7-profound-lessons-from-the-books-of-alan-watts/

I have read several spiritual writings from the last 2 centuries, many of them while still being an avowed atheist, so that goes to show that you do not need to acquire a religion to respect the wisdom within such books. This is a serious interest of mine so I am giving you some introductory material that I feel is valid and mostly sensible, but of course true wisdom comes only after you have gathered ALL evidence available--by reading it--so one's focus should be on getting that information which one is missing.

Do you have something specific in mind? Scientology, Mormonism?

I've researched nearly every religion, both ancient and modern... they are all bunk... for mostly the same reasons

An answer to this please, Moloch?

I don't follow any major religion, but I don't consider myself an atheist either. I believe in the universe and nature. We are surrounded by a mysterious energy no doubt, but I am not able to classify it so I let it go. I'd rather believe and worship the people, places and creatures around me, which I can see, feel and experience.

By living you have accepted an invitation to experience this version of the world.

"Why am I an atheist"

I suppose you're an atheist, because you are young enough.
The fact that you are excited about this question shows that you can evolve.
The faith has many faces.
Read this awesome poem written in 1873 by Hristo Botev who is a brilliant Bulgarian poet and revolutionary. Died a heroic death, only 28 years old,  in the western part of the Bulgarian Range on June 1, 1876 as a voevode of 200 rebels who had set out to die for the liberation of their enslaved Fatherland. The inscription chiseled on the granite rock by which he was killed reads: "Your prophecy has come true - you live on!"

MY PRAYER

Oh, you, my God, my fair God,
who doesn't live in Heaven up,
but you, who are in me, my God,
into my soul and in my heart.

Not you to whom the monks and priests
make their bows and bend, not you
whom all the ortodoxal beasts
light up the sacred tapers to.

Not you who made of mud and dirt
the man, the woman, but forsakes
the human being on the Earth
to be its everlasting slave.

Not you who's consecrated kings,
the patriarchs and every Pope,
not you who's left in misery
my poor brothers in the woe.

Not you, who teaches slaves to pray,
to cry for mercy and to bear
the suffering until the grave
with their hopes in vain to cherish.

Not you, oh, God of liars, who
has blessed dishonest tyrants all,
not you, an idol of the fools,
an idol of the human foes.

But you, oh, God of sense and mind,
oh, God, defender of the slaves,
whose day the people and mankind
are going soon to celebrate.

Inspire everyone, oh, God
with love alive for freedom, then
each one will struggle as he could
with all the enemies of men.

And at the end support my arms,
when rises the revolt of slaves,
in rows of their fight at last
to find also my only grave.

Don't let abroad this vigour heart
lost in youth cool down at present.
Don't let my voice unlikely pass
silently as through the desert.

See? There you go again, setting yourself up as god.


First you state that you are god by giving inappropriate orders to a fellow human being. Then you try to say that god doesn't exist. You funny guy.

God is your God as well. You just might have to find out the hard way.


If you had read it, you would have realized that Lot didn't hand his daughters over. He might have attempted it. He might have offered it. But he didn't do it. And what does that story have to do with anything that we are discussing here? Or do you simply like to confuse issues?



God DID handle the situation for Lot. The two angels reached out their hands and pulled Lot inside the house before he could hand his daughters over to the wicked men of the city. Then they caused the wicked men to be blind so that they couldn't find the door of the house and harm Lot and his family.

Are you simply too dense to read the Bible? Or are you intentionally lying to the people. Your credibility is going way down.

First, your shouldn't speak for everyone...

I question god all the time... that's how I know your god does not exist... if you truly think about what your book claims god says/commands, you will realize that is not god

Perhaps you have to read it first?


What sort of moral lesson is the story about Lot handing his virgin daughters over to be raped by an angry mob?  Did he at least try to talk them out of the raping?  Or perhaps offer just one daughter instead of both?

I'd think a better moral lesson would be to stand your ground and not let the angry mob rape anyone, including your daughters... just saying

If god was truly on Lot's side, he could have manhandled the angry mob, right?

Or, better... God could have given Lot the right words to say, to calm the angry mob... so they didn't rape anyone... wouldn't that have made a better story and moral lesson for children?

What is not what case?

Atheism is religion. However, if all those people who are stating that it is religion are wrong (Google "atheism religion"), they are not wrong by much. Moloch, by being a bit of an atheist zealot, is also a religious zealot, the thing he seems to despise.


Just trying to be agreeable as much as I can while at the same time speaking his language.



First, nobody questions everything about God. Nobody can question more than a little about God, because nobody knows enough about Him to ask more than a fraction of the questions that could be asked about God. The important answer about God is that God is love.

Second, you care at least a little, or you wouldn't have posted the way you have.

Third, as I said to Moloch here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14773029:Since you care enough to reply, the Thing you are saying "your god" about, is the God of the universe, as proven to exist by science and nature.

God is sorry you just don't care. He is sorry for you. He made this whole universe including yourself, and He holds everything in place. By your not caring, you are pushing Him out of your life, which is really you pushing yourself out of life.

It's sad. I can tell by the language of your post that you are a caring, loving person. You should live. Your choice, however.