Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 75. (Read 89022 times)

u mad bro?

You sound mad...

Exactly right!

"NDE's, drug-induced hallucinations, and out-of-body experiences occurring under normal conditions and other kinds of hallucinations are all related."
 
In other words, the NDE is not an isolated phenomena. The common link between NDE and these other experiences is the release of the spirit, to a greater or lesser extent, from the body. This is the relation that should be investigated.

The real question should not be, "Do you have to be near death to have an NDE?" but rather do you have to be near death for the spirit to separate from the body? Evidence tells us the answer is no.

The spirit can and does leave the body in any number of situations, including those that occur without drugs or trauma. This is exactly what one would expect to find if the Afterlife Hypothesis is true. If one postulates spirit surviving body death, one also postulates spirit being different and separate from the body it inhabits. The Afterlife Hypothesis predicts the spirit should be capable of separating from the body under conditions other than impending death. The evidence of ketamine, dextromethorphan, and etc. thus directly supports the Afterlife Hypothesis.

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

I am not impressed, Moloch. I have already read RationalWiki, skepdic, JREF forums, Sam Harris forums, and many scholarly papers from skeptics, I also participate in multiple forum discussions with peers.

Why should I keep reading the opposition when YOU are unable to even comprehend the content of one single link that I reference? Your claims are in error; YOU SHOULD DO MORE READING BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAVE YOU FAILED TO PROVIDE A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CORE ELEMENTS OF THE NDE ARE!

"All neurological theories concluding NDEs to be only a brain anomaly, must show how the core elements of the NDE occur subjectively because of specific neurological events triggered by the approach of death."

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

This is absurd. No one wishes to invite death, except for ones who are suicidal (suicide is against life). Your argument that Jesus invited his death is nonsensical; it can easily be seen that God has no need of martyrs since one who is wise can do God's work while alive. I happen to know that Jesus resisted his capture, but your personal view of theology (dogma) will not accept such a historical fact.

That Bible has serious gaps and holes--so much that the OT appears to present many examples of what GOD would NOT DO. Yet you will never choose to read another book that criticizes the content of that Bible because you have closed your eyes to anything that could change your view (dogma) of that flawed text.

There is no use in discussing with you such facts as "Jesus resisted his capture" or "The Bible was re-written in order to suit men, not GOD" because you have already set your beliefs in stone; you are precisely the type of hypocrite that Jesus denounced.

The rhetorical opinions of your NDE theories are presented as if they were scientific. The opinion of a select few BITCOINERS, who are not experts on the subject, can hardly be called scientific evidence.

How do you know that I have NOT taken such a course and courses far beyond that?? You presume a lot about my understanding of the mind, but offer no concrete understanding of your own. Here is a quote from a recent neuroscience paper:

"ongoing [brain] activity fluctuations ... constitute an essential property of the neural architecture underlying cognition"

Therefore,
no brain activity -> no suitable neural architecture for cognition -> no possibility of cognition.

"A high level of consciousness while physically unconscious is medically unexplained"

Recent observations like the AWARE study show that consciousness has occurred during a period when the brain was non-functional.

Many skeptical arguments against the survival theory are actually arguments from pseudo-skeptics who often think they have no burden of proof. Such arguments are often based on scientism with assumptions that survival is impossible even though survival has not been ruled out. Faulty conclusions are often made such as, "Because NDEs have a brain chemical connection then survival is impossible." Pseudo-skeptical arguments are sometimes made that do not consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival or do not consider the possibility of new paradigms. Such pseudo-skeptical claims are often made without any scientific evidence.

Source: http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a35

You are totally wrong about that! Admit it!
Source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a50
Another source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a26

Mwahahahahaha! You and Ricky try to mock God. You can't do it. You will die. And when He raises you in the judgment, He will show you how you have only mocked yourself.

But this isn't what He really wants. Come now, and believe Him, so that you can be saved. He'll forgive you for all that attempted mockery of Him.

Do you mean Jesus could not save Himself from death on the cross? His Father saved Him. He arose on the third day after. He is alive right now, and in control of everything, because His Father gave Him control.

People commit sins because they want to, or because they are weak. All sins have been forgiven except one... the sin against the Holy spirit.



Jesus didn't "let" people crucify Him. He invited it, at the correct time, of course. Why did Jesus do this? Here's why.

In the Garden, at the Beginning, there were only two people and the snake (Satan, the Devil, was in the snake.). The people had control at that time, but didn't realize how powerful their control was. Satan tempted them to eat the fruit, and when they did, they gave their control over to Satan by listening to his temptations. Satan took control, but death followed for people... we all give in to the temptation from Satan.

Jesus never gave in to the temptation from Satan. He died the death without giving in to the temptation, thereby taking back the control. (When a person is dead, he can no longer be tempted to do anything. His position is locked in.)

Now, because of Jesus death, people have control, again. Why? Because Satan can never tempt Him to sin again. Jesus arose from the dead to prove it. His Father gave Him all authority in Heaven and on Earth for what He did.

Jesus has promised salvation from death for all who believe in Him. But you can't know this if you only read Islamic texts, because Islamic texts have serious gaps and holes in them. You know which book to read to understand this.

Neural network is essentially an electrical network.  You can measure electric charges, potentials etc.

There might be some capacitive or reactive behaviour associated with such network.  Just like a charged capacitor in a circuit without power will deliver current flow as it is being discharged.

Consciousness only exists as part of neural network.  It is physically impossible to exist outside of it.

When the system is shutdown (power source is removed), the system is being discharged, so you might observe some activity after shutdown,   but it will not be the same as the activity in your brain right now as you read this post.  Overtime you will not see any activity.  You are dead, game over.  No heaven, no hell, you are out.  If you have your own kids, your genes survived, you are done.  

In two, three or four generations, nobody will remember you.

So stop looking for life after death.  It does not exist.  Nobody came back after being dead for few days.




 

Because i am more into reality that we create our own destiny and gods are just from our imagination that is talkin to us.

I already explained this to you 6 months ago...

Science is based upon experimentation, not testimony

Scientific experimentation has shown that NDE can be caused by a magnet... it not not spiritual, it has nothing to do with god... it has a perfectly normal scientific explanation like everything else

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

Alien abduction stories are the exact same thing as NDE... it is caused by the same lack of oxygen in your brain

It is not real, quit believing all the crazy shit you read on the internet... check your facts... google the opposition and see what they say... don't get all your info from a single biased source (who is probably trying to sell you something)

Which came first: feelings or the brain?"...The brain come first 100%..Why you ask because when people are brain dead you have no feelings
None what so ever...To write to Richard Dawkins was a waste of time when it was such a simple answer

Religion is faith based, not evidence based. Kind of like fiat currency.

NOT TRUE
Firstly, Providing a scientific explanation for the phenomenon of near-death experience has been a difficult challenge for scientists ever since data in the form of NDE testimonials started appearing in the mid 1970's. (Read the Primary Source here)

Also, you have no response to Hammeroff's observations; you obviously have some reading to do.

You have no response to the AECES TOP 40 observations; you have some reading to do there as well.

Similarly to you, Moloch would like to deny veridical perception during NDE despite the fact that it has been shown in a published paper that "NDE memories are more real than real memories"! Where is Moloch's argument??

Many lines of evidence are examples of valid scientific research i.e. conclusions based on observation using methodological naturalism and valid evidential reasoning (my definition), so that is why I present 52 points of scientific evidence for atheists to evaluate with the conclusion being that skeptical criticism of NDE In This Thread is irrational.

Many eminent researchers (like Darwin and Godel) have admitted that materialism is irrational, these educated men and women present a lot of the same arguments that remain unaddressed. The arguments that you present are very weak; it will likely surprise you to learn that your arguments are not based in evidence, and this is easily seen by anyone who has bothered to click and read through all of these references:

ALL 52 points of evidence on the near-death site;
Hammeroff's work as presented here (see the Huffington Post articles: "Which came first: feelings or the brain?" and "An open letter to Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer")
The AECES top 40 cases

SO WHERE ARE YOUR REFERENCES? YOU ARE NEWBIE_AS_FUCK AT DEBATING WITH THEISTS; YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO EVALUATE NEW IDEAS WHEN PRESENTED; THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT IT MEANS TO BE RATIONAL! HAVE YOU EVEN DONE ANY SERIOUS REVIEW OF THESE REFERENCES AT ALL??

Science is about drawing conclusions from repeated observations, for example the observation that consciousness has occurred during a period when the brain was non-functional leads to the conclusion that "A high level of consciousness while physically unconscious is medically unexplained", and this conclusion is perfectly in line with the discoveries of experimental neuroscience like the following:

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fnsys.2010.00020/full

The fact is, you are programmed to talk like this because of your weak faith in God. God looks at the weakness in your faith, and goes back to the Beginning and juggles everything in the universe a little, so that you are programmed to do the things that match your weak faith... all through cause and effect.