Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 79. (Read 89184 times)

Sometimes I don't know why I bother...

I like to tell myself that someone reading it understands the conversation, even when the person I am debating clearly doesn't have a clue

Some statements we read on the comments on this thread are stupefying.

But the most astonishing thing is that their authors claim that their beliefs are all scientifically proven.

Jonathan Swift: “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

I am certainly not gullible enough to believe in an elaborate conspiracy coming from an educated and reliable economist. Why would a professor prepare this grand trick with no expectation of gain? It sounds totally unprecedented in academic research... Let's read some uncomfortable information from that very link you posted:


I came to a totally different conclusion by reading your same source; I suspect it's because I am NOT gullible enough!

You didn't answer the question. I certainly didn't ask if you owned or controlled a god. I was responding to your words.

You say: " Why do you attempt to set yourself above God, Who has been proven to exist scientifically, thereby becoming an idol"

This sentence you have written means that means that God has become an idol because you think you have proven it to exist scientifically.

You say it is an idol you worship. Do you really mean that or are you just making things up because they sounded good at the time?

1) People can say anything on the internet... this does not make it true...
Your link is nothing but propaganda not worth my time disputing... every claim they make is factually incorrect

B) Just watch some of Randi's videos (I linked 7 of them)... you will see exactly how he debunks them... he doesn't just debunk 1 person, he debunks the method they use... like cold-reading mediums... this is a tactic used by most of them and it is simply a trick... once you know its a trick, and how it is performed, you can safely assume anyone using it is a fraud

Every psychic ever has been debunked

Feel free to google about Eisenbeiss... I found this with a simple google search for "Eisenbeiss debunked"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120669

Apparently the chess match you are talking about took 8 years to play 48 moves (62 days per move)... yeah, seems legit... surely no funny business going on there...

How gullible are you?

So because some are frauds, therefore they are all frauds... ?

That's not true, because actually the available facts and evidence are not adequately explained by the skeptical explanation. For some cases, a skeptic would have to imagine quite an elaborate conspiracy.

Randi again? But he has been dishonest! Check out this link:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Page30.htm

You claim that all mediums are frauds, but is there any evidence at all that suggests Eisenbeiss was dishonest? I believe you have only pointed out hypothetical possibilities, apparently you do not realize that you also have a burden of proof in this discussion? You still did not link to anything that specifically addresses this one. Same with Thonnard's study; you don't understand it so you just point me to irrelevant sources that do not specifically address the study's methods.

You neglected to check your own mind. You'll find your very own personalised custom built god inside.
What a coincidence it just so happens to want exactly the same things that you want, and agree with exactly the same things you agree with.

Now there's a stroke of luck.  

I think you missed the point of everything I have ever posted...

I did not set myself above your God... your God set his moral standards below mine...

You cannot blame me for your God being an immoral, slave-loving, gay-hating, hypocritical asshole with bi-polar disorder

Incorrect...

Before viewing the evidence, I had no opinion on whether psychics were legit or frauds...

I have seen dozens of cases where psychics have been debunked as frauds... using evidence and proof... showing exactly what tricks they use, which makes it obvious that other psychics use the same tricks...

I even linked a dozen videos from James Randi debunking psychics... feel free to click a fucking link man... you cannot claim I did not provide evidence simply by not looking at it... that's like sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, "lalalalala... I cant hear you!"

So yes, they are all frauds, but not because "I took something on faith", but because all of the available facts and evidence point to such a conclusion

On a similar note, there are plenty of people who think pro-wrestling is real... people are easily fooled

You take it on faith that all psychics are frauds. OP takes it on faith that awareness arises from nothing when all the evidence actually shows that it is continuous and cyclical.

Like it or not, accept it or not, science is no different from politics. Truth is never the absolute expected by those outside their fraternity.

You said that a high school student could refute Dawson's book, but I would be more willing to listen to a professional scientist. But you did not provide any evidence of such cogent refutations. Pye provides evidence of his own though; can you provide ANYONE who rebutted the researchers quoted below?

You simply don't like to remember that I told you long ago that I don't own a god. I checked my pockets, and there wasn't any there... the closet, the drawers, the cupboards, the garage, the shed, and the basement. Show me where I own a god. And if it is one of your gods, prove to me by title that you own it, and then title it over to me, by contract and agreement.

Actually, the closest I have been able to come to owning a god is, you atheists set yourselves up as gods, and since I am showing it to you, I own you. Wanna be free? Recognize God, so you don't keep on getting owned.

You say you have proven your god is an idol -- I thought idolatry was a sin in most religions?

Just curious. Why do you attempt to set yourself above God, Who has been proven to exist scientifically, thereby becoming an idol, and doing it all by simply saying that you are an atheist, when atheism doesn't really exist, since you are disallowing atheism by your self-god-making?

how can you say that you are an atheist.
when any thing or any event happen it has its own reason to be happen.
but there are some things that are have to happenand they have no reasonable logic they just have to happen.

It's a shame that guy spent so much time writing such a long paper that is completely false

Darwin's "three logical fallacies" are just silly... there are no fallacies... his paper is easily debunked by anyone familiar with evolution... any high school kid could debunk that paper these days

Darwin actually did write a few things into the theory of evolution that turned out to be incorrect, but whoever wrote this paper is not familiar enough to even know what is true or not... he didn't even mention the things which are actually false

I don't understand why you feel the need to put words in the mouths of Atheists...

Just because you feel a certain way, does not mean Atheists feel that way... Please, do not ever claim to know anything about Atheists because you don't

Everyone is different, but Atheists tend to be extremely skeptical people... we take nothing on faith... we are rarely convinced by anything silly like religitards, because we rely on facts and evidence to support our beliefs about reality...

Atheists never claim to be infallible... we are the only ones who admit we can be wrong at all... every religion claims it is perfect and infallible... that's just nonsense... it's provably false

Who cares what the question is? The answer is ALIENS!

You say that you don't know the exact mechanism; I would like to propose one.

It's time to FIGHT THE STUPIDS by boldly moving to the cutting edge forged by alternative science!


Intervention theorists believe that alien beings intervened on Earth, terraforming everything from the planet's environment to human beings. They have arrived at that radical assumption by analyzing evidence across a wide range of disciplines, trying to scientifically explain the origin of life on Earth.

Intervention Theory Basics


Atheists scoff at people 300 years ago for believing the Earth was flat, but are convinced they could never believe a similar absurdity. Those who ridicule and oppose anything they don't already believe is true, and who will diligently avoid any effort to fairly evaluate new, especially dramatically new ideas, are not rational, by definition. I urge all atheists to read up on the latest science and evaluate the evidence in favor of intervention theory; only a few hours spent searching for information could provide any reader with a profoundly altered world view.

More details explaining Intervention Theory

Consequences is one of my interests. Bringing up religion in a job interview is likely a bad as is talking about politics.

I wonder if you realize the consequences of a belief system like yours? I argued elsewhere that the consequences over the long term are far more profound and substantial than many realize.

This would not explain cases of longer duration, for example the patient in AWARE had perceptions which lasted at least 2 minutes and were verified by medical staff.

It was Asimov's non-fiction essay about a "universe from nothing" that I was referring to and it is not much different from what Krauss proposes. I think this essay can be found in the book "The Beginning and the End".

Awareness arises from non-awareness: the fetus clearly isn't aware during most time of the gestation, until at least the central neurological system is built. Then, slowly, develops some basic elements of awareness. And, after being born, acquires full awareness.
If you are talking about how life evolves from simple matter, we still don't now the exact mechanism, even if we are close. But ignorance isn't evidence of god existence.

I wonder if you realize the consequences of the revelation of beliefs like yours. Try to say you believe in reincarnation (it seems what you mean with "Awareness is continuous and cyclical") on a job interview.

There are so many nuts saying they are Napoleon... I guess, for you, their statements are "evidence" of the "continuity of awareness". But even you have to accept that they can't all be Napoleon and,therefore, they are crazy or lying.

You are quoting me cases of personal experiences, that can't be replicated. If I interviewed junkies, I would find much many cases even more impressive than yours. That's not evidence.

 Your statement that the brain can't have any activity once the oxygen flow stops is false. Brain activity measurable on a EGG only disappears after 20-40 seconds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death). This time is enough to leave memories of hallucinations. Actually, the hallucinations probably start before the complete stop of the supply of oxygen. And in that situation, 40 seconds of hallucinations might seem minutes to the near death individual.

Those hallucinations are purely chemical. I gave sources on that.

You can't compare Asimov's science fiction with scientific theories.