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newbie
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April 01, 2019, 11:33:04 PM
#49
i think, he doesn't want to feel anything like privacy, because he knows but After his open letter on privacy, is Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg serious about privacy issues surrounding users of the social network.
member
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April 01, 2019, 07:11:07 PM
#48
I was just reading today that he is going to announce how the news feed is created that seems like a load of BS
legendary
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March 31, 2019, 03:52:20 PM
#47
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And Mark Zuckerberg's promises are worth something are they?

No.

Security through encryption is mathematical.

It is not based on "promises."

Realistically, security through encryption cannot be something that might change with every update that a FF sends down to a person's device.

security through encryption must be personal.

Then we can take about how an individual might plug into something like FF, through layered anonymizers if he chose. But it is not possible to consider FF providing the encryption.

That's madness.
 
legendary
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March 31, 2019, 03:27:53 PM
#46
https://medium.com/elixxir/why-mark-zuckerberg-wants-no-privacy-why-he-wrote-his-letter-and-why-it-wont-help-him-c020e434ce36

According to a recent open letter on privacy, Mark Zuckerberg wants us to believehe can combine WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and Instagram platforms with “end-to-end” encryption to create the ultimate privacy-protecting platform.

thoughts? what does this mean for society?

I think it is very risky, but taking into account that it is Mark Zuckerberg it will be very easy for him to do so, he has the best programmers in the world, he has the money to carry it out, I think he can achieve it, in fact, he has always been a pioneer in terms of social networks.

In addition, everything that represents progress in my case I support, because everything must be routed there, in innovation and be more advanced. Besides, as he is, I imagine that he will supervise each code himself.
So then there would be no privacy with his "end-to-end" encryption, for which the promise was privacy.

And Mark Zuckerberg's promises are worth something are they?
legendary
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March 31, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
#45
https://medium.com/elixxir/why-mark-zuckerberg-wants-no-privacy-why-he-wrote-his-letter-and-why-it-wont-help-him-c020e434ce36

According to a recent open letter on privacy, Mark Zuckerberg wants us to believehe can combine WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and Instagram platforms with “end-to-end” encryption to create the ultimate privacy-protecting platform.

thoughts? what does this mean for society?

I think it is very risky, but taking into account that it is Mark Zuckerberg it will be very easy for him to do so, he has the best programmers in the world, he has the money to carry it out, I think he can achieve it, in fact, he has always been a pioneer in terms of social networks.

In addition, everything that represents progress in my case I support, because everything must be routed there, in innovation and be more advanced. Besides, as he is, I imagine that he will supervise each code himself.
So then there would be no privacy with his "end-to-end" encryption, for which the promise was privacy.
legendary
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March 30, 2019, 10:13:16 PM
#44
https://medium.com/elixxir/why-mark-zuckerberg-wants-no-privacy-why-he-wrote-his-letter-and-why-it-wont-help-him-c020e434ce36

According to a recent open letter on privacy, Mark Zuckerberg wants us to believehe can combine WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and Instagram platforms with “end-to-end” encryption to create the ultimate privacy-protecting platform.

thoughts? what does this mean for society?

I think it is very risky, but taking into account that it is Mark Zuckerberg it will be very easy for him to do so, he has the best programmers in the world, he has the money to carry it out, I think he can achieve it, in fact, he has always been a pioneer in terms of social networks.

In addition, everything that represents progress in my case I support, because everything must be routed there, in innovation and be more advanced. Besides, as he is, I imagine that he will supervise each code himself.
legendary
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March 30, 2019, 11:36:45 AM
#43
You might want to double check on that, because over the past few years I have seen several vulnerabilities come to light which allow the bypassing of local encryption. These vulnerabilities are 100% real, but you enjoy your comfortable lies if you want.

I'm fairly well aware of several, and have suspicions about numerous others.

However, my offer of a reward is firm. For any and all takers.

legendary
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March 30, 2019, 11:28:26 AM
#42
You might want to double check on that, because over the past few years I have seen several vulnerabilities come to light which allow the bypassing of local encryption. These vulnerabilities are 100% real, but you enjoy your comfortable lies if you want.
legendary
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March 30, 2019, 10:40:31 AM
#41
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Maybe I should clarify, encryption is not enough ....

Let's assume that those on this forum are quite knowledgable about encryption. That's fair. So this is a decent place to discuss the subject.

I'm willing to post a simple encrypted message, and to the first that breaks it, ....1 bitcoin.

Must pay 0.001 BTC in advance entry fee and notice they will try.

All out in the open and public.


If you read here you will see why in the end the encryption won't stop surveillance.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/there-is-mysterious-undocumented-technology-hidden-on-intel-computer-chips-5126073

While I wouldn't go as far as to say it requires a state level actor to access, it certainly requires advanced technical skills. That said, a lot of individuals and groups are more than capable.



Frankly, my offer stops the argument that "encryption isn't enough."

I'll leave it open until 4-15-19.

No, it doesn't, but have fun with that.
Yes, it does, and my point's been made. Encryption is enough.

While I wouldn't go as far as to say it requires a state level actor to access, it certainly requires advanced technical skills. That said, a lot of individuals and groups are more than capable.

I've posed a reward that is 100% unwinnable. But any are welcome to try and win > $4000 at current rates. 1 BTC to decode a message.

This is a near-cryptography forum, you can't bullshit people on this subject here. Well, er, you can't bullshit some of us.
legendary
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March 30, 2019, 07:52:46 AM
#40
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Maybe I should clarify, encryption is not enough ....

Let's assume that those on this forum are quite knowledgable about encryption. That's fair. So this is a decent place to discuss the subject.

I'm willing to post a simple encrypted message, and to the first that breaks it, ....1 bitcoin.

Must pay 0.001 BTC in advance entry fee and notice they will try.

All out in the open and public.


If you read here you will see why in the end the encryption won't stop surveillance.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/there-is-mysterious-undocumented-technology-hidden-on-intel-computer-chips-5126073

While I wouldn't go as far as to say it requires a state level actor to access, it certainly requires advanced technical skills. That said, a lot of individuals and groups are more than capable.



Frankly, my offer stops the argument that "encryption isn't enough."

I'll leave it open until 4-15-19.

No, it doesn't, but have fun with that.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
March 30, 2019, 07:31:52 AM
#39
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Maybe I should clarify, encryption is not enough ....

Let's assume that those on this forum are quite knowledgable about encryption. That's fair. So this is a decent place to discuss the subject.

I'm willing to post a simple encrypted message, and to the first that breaks it, ....1 bitcoin.

Must pay 0.001 BTC in advance entry fee and notice they will try.

All out in the open and public.


If you read here you will see why in the end the encryption won't stop surveillance.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/there-is-mysterious-undocumented-technology-hidden-on-intel-computer-chips-5126073

While I wouldn't go as far as to say it requires a state level actor to access, it certainly requires advanced technical skills. That said, a lot of individuals and groups are more than capable.



Frankly, my offer stops the argument that "encryption isn't enough."

I'll leave it open until 4-15-19.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
March 29, 2019, 10:11:41 PM
#38
....
Maybe I should clarify, encryption is not enough ....

Let's assume that those on this forum are quite knowledgable about encryption. That's fair. So this is a decent place to discuss the subject.

I'm willing to post a simple encrypted message, and to the first that breaks it, ....1 bitcoin.

Must pay 0.001 BTC in advance entry fee and notice they will try.

All out in the open and public.


If you read here you will see why in the end the encryption won't stop surveillance.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/there-is-mysterious-undocumented-technology-hidden-on-intel-computer-chips-5126073

While I wouldn't go as far as to say it requires a state level actor to access, it certainly requires advanced technical skills. That said, a lot of individuals and groups are more than capable.

legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
March 29, 2019, 09:23:10 PM
#37
....
Maybe I should clarify, encryption is not enough ....

Let's assume that those on this forum are quite knowledgable about encryption. That's fair. So this is a decent place to discuss the subject.

I'm willing to post a simple encrypted message, and to the first that breaks it, ....1 bitcoin.

Must pay 0.001 BTC in advance entry fee and notice they will try.

All out in the open and public.
hero member
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Merit: 534
March 29, 2019, 09:03:25 PM
#36
Don't believe for a second that when you delete your Facebook account they also delete your stored information.  They keep all the information they can, doesn't make a difference if you delete your accounts.  I also suggest avoiding google entirely if possible, they are just as bad as facebook. 
legendary
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Merit: 2008
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March 29, 2019, 08:30:23 PM
#35
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Insuring that user privacy is respected by the likes of Facebook would require inspection and surveillance of their operations, unless....

Data from you to your friends, transiting through them... was encrypted by a method unbreakable by them, not of their making or control.

AND...

Your very identity, from the point of logging on their system to exiting it, was concealed.

Our hardware is compromised, so encryption is meaningless, to some extent yes even on air-gapped systems. Also with Facefuck you never actually exit their system. The same goes for Googlag as well as others.
Your first point, from the premise does not the conclusion follow. Who may have hardware access is one of many perps, and they do not share.

Your second and third may be true, but that only illustrates that my point is valid.

Yet for example if I create the circumstances, as a test...where Anon X attempts to enter FF, and exit, repeatedly...and FF rejects or blocks him...

Maybe I should clarify, encryption is not enough to stop access. It might raise the barrier of entry, but there is still a back door that is available for anyone to use if sufficiently informed, that is the problem with back doors "only for the good guys". As far as the point you are trying to make with your analogy, I do not follow.
legendary
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March 29, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
#34
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Insuring that user privacy is respected by the likes of Facebook would require inspection and surveillance of their operations, unless....

Data from you to your friends, transiting through them... was encrypted by a method unbreakable by them, not of their making or control.

AND...

Your very identity, from the point of logging on their system to exiting it, was concealed.

Our hardware is compromised, so encryption is meaningless, to some extent yes even on air-gapped systems. Also with Facefuck you never actually exit their system. The same goes for Googlag as well as others.
Your first point, from the premise does not the conclusion follow. Who may have hardware access is one of many perps, and they do not share.

Your second and third may be true, but that only illustrates that my point is valid.

Yet for example if I create the circumstances, as a test...where Anon X attempts to enter FF, and exit, repeatedly...and FF rejects or blocks him...
legendary
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March 29, 2019, 07:35:41 PM
#33
Encryption seems great for security and may if it's creates a peer-2-peer link, but given their disregard for privacy and data custody, we'll have to see. 

I think only once there is a truly large scale demand and adoption of privacy focused or rather data custody focused tech, will we see big tech really adapt. 

But privacy will be monetized. 

We really need large scale privacy focused tech and there are definitely a few key players that are doing the work. All of these true cypherpunks are making huge strides in taking the internet back into our hands. Whether it be Satoshi or David Chaum mentioned in the article

Insuring that user privacy is respected by the likes of Facebook would require inspection and surveillance of their operations, unless....

Data from you to your friends, transiting through them... was encrypted by a method unbreakable by them, not of their making or control.

AND...

Your very identity, from the point of logging on their system to exiting it, was concealed.

Our hardware is compromised, so encryption is meaningless, to some extent yes even on air-gapped systems. Also with Facefuck you never actually exit their system. The same goes for Googlag as well as others.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
March 29, 2019, 06:42:36 PM
#32
Encryption seems great for security and may if it's creates a peer-2-peer link, but given their disregard for privacy and data custody, we'll have to see. 

I think only once there is a truly large scale demand and adoption of privacy focused or rather data custody focused tech, will we see big tech really adapt. 

But privacy will be monetized. 

We really need large scale privacy focused tech and there are definitely a few key players that are doing the work. All of these true cypherpunks are making huge strides in taking the internet back into our hands. Whether it be Satoshi or David Chaum mentioned in the article

Insuring that user privacy is respected by the likes of Facebook would require inspection and surveillance of their operations, unless....

Data from you to your friends, transiting through them... was encrypted by a method unbreakable by them, not of their making or control.

AND...

Your very identity, from the point of logging on their system to exiting it, was concealed.
jr. member
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Merit: 3
March 29, 2019, 05:11:05 PM
#31
Encryption seems great for security and may if it's creates a peer-2-peer link, but given their disregard for privacy and data custody, we'll have to see. 

I think only once there is a truly large scale demand and adoption of privacy focused or rather data custody focused tech, will we see big tech really adapt. 

But privacy will be monetized. 

We really need large scale privacy focused tech and there are definitely a few key players that are doing the work. All of these true cypherpunks are making huge strides in taking the internet back into our hands. Whether it be Satoshi or David Chaum mentioned in the article
newbie
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Merit: 0
March 28, 2019, 02:04:06 PM
#30
Encryption seems great for security and may if it's creates a peer-2-peer link, but given their disregard for privacy and data custody, we'll have to see. 

I think only once there is a truly large scale demand and adoption of privacy focused or rather data custody focused tech, will we see big tech really adapt. 

But privacy will be monetized. 
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