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You do not understand the ultimate goal of all true Muslims: peace (under a global Caliphate).
You do not understand the ultimate goal of all true Muslims: peace (under a global Caliphate).
Fortunately, a vast majority are not "true Muslims."
Topic: Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists" Should we say that? - page 11. (Read 1759 times)
March 30, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
Fortunately, a vast majority are not "true Muslims."
March 30, 2019, 09:43:09 AM
So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
You deny them the Muslim label. Yet they selfidentify as Muslims. Can you take that right away from them?
As far as Muslim immigration goes, there are two problems. The hate towards non-Muslims and very backwards treatment of women (way behind western culture). Without these, I have no problem with any Muslim immigrant.
You do not understand the ultimate goal of all true Muslims: peace (under a global Caliphate).
March 30, 2019, 09:35:16 AM
So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
You deny them the Muslim label. Yet they selfidentify as Muslims. Can you take that right away from them?
As far as Muslim immigration goes, there are two potential problems. The hate towards non-Muslims (rarer) and very backwards treatment of women (quite wide spread, way behind western culture). Without these, I have no problem with any Muslim immigrant.
March 30, 2019, 08:40:52 AM
I guess main problem goes like that.
In childhood they are sent to Madarsa. Unscientific teaching corrupt their mind and they cannot find any job in real world due to their Madarsa education.
They get recruited as jihadis and they think they are earning while serving the good ( very noble idea) but in reality they are turned into paid mercenaries.
In childhood they are sent to Madarsa. Unscientific teaching corrupt their mind and they cannot find any job in real world due to their Madarsa education.
They get recruited as jihadis and they think they are earning while serving the good ( very noble idea) but in reality they are turned into paid mercenaries.
March 30, 2019, 06:19:54 AM
I do think it is possible, but unless Muslims are willing to abandon Sharia law they should not immigrate to any Western nations.
I don't know that they have a rule just like that. I searched about Sharia law and it not cleared to me. So you're saying that Muslims are forbid to live in west? Oh, FYI Manila, Philippines is at the East. Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.
You should read more about Sharia law.
March 30, 2019, 05:53:41 AM
I do think it is possible, but unless Muslims are willing to abandon Sharia law they should not immigrate to any Western nations.
I don't know that they have a rule just like that. I searched about Sharia law and it not cleared to me. So you're saying that Muslims are forbid to live in west? Oh, FYI Manila, Philippines is at the East. March 30, 2019, 05:33:07 AM
So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
As I explained earlier, Christianity already had a reformation process where the state the the religion split, Islam has not. Frankly I consider anyone who just says "lets just try not to judge people" or similar things whilst offering no other solutions suspect because it simply makes excuses for the staus quo while resisting any response to problems within the Muslim community. It is unsafe for non-Muslims to walk around in many Muslim nations, but Muslims are not persecuted in Western nations.
A large portion of the Muslim world is intolerant of anything outside of Islam, so just saying we should tolerate Muslims is not enough because they do not extend the same tolerance. Even when they leave their own nations some times they bring their intolerance with them, and in their arrogant sense of superiority then subvert and take control of the local populations and begin enforcing Sharia law. The West should not tolerate this. I know for damn sure America won't, and unlike in Europe we are well armed. I would rather they assimilate, but if they don't violence is inevitable as Sharia law is incompatible with a Constitutional Republic such as the USA.
March 30, 2019, 03:11:19 AM
So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.
A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.
These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.
The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.
so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.
look at bitcoin how controversial it is.
Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.
So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.
March 30, 2019, 02:58:27 AM
I agree, there should be a clear separation of state and church and anyone who believes a religious law should prioritize over the country's constitution should be made to take mandatory counselling and sessions
I don't think that is a solution. I think the law of the land simply needs to be enforced, even when loud retards scream racism (even though Islam is a religion not a race).
I do think it is possible, but unless Muslims are willing to abandon Sharia law they should not immigrate to any Western nations.
March 30, 2019, 02:01:57 AM
I agree, there should be a clear separation of state and church and anyone who believes a religious law should prioritize over the country's constitution should be made to take mandatory counselling and sessions
I don't think that is a solution. I think the law of the land simply needs to be enforced, even when loud retards scream racism (even though Islam is a religion not a race).
March 30, 2019, 01:57:20 AM
I agree, there should be a clear separation of state and church and anyone who believes a religious law should prioritize over the country's constitution should be made to take mandatory counselling and sessions
I don't think that is a solution. I think the law of the land simply needs to be enforced, even when loud retards scream racism (even though Islam is a religion not a race).
March 29, 2019, 11:23:39 PM
I don't expect to tell Muslims how to reform their own religion. I do however think it is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED the West takes a HARD UNWAVERING REJECTION of Sharia law with no apologies. How they want to sort it out is their problem, and in the end they won't bother until the West steps up and defends itself domestically.
Quite frankly no one would love to live by the rules and laws of an old religion whose laws were derived from the culture of ancient times. The solution isn't to exclude people but to educate them. They think their books are words of God which can't be questioned. This makes their mind vulnerable to radical ideologies where they love their afterlife more than real life.
They need to be educated that we all got only one life and there's no afterlife as such. To succeed, one must do hard work in this world itself through education and using brain and not by blind beliefs. Youths of poor countries should be given jobs and a scientific attitude should be instilled.
Sad that politics won't let that happen as they need votes and vote banks.
P.s : I'm an agnostic and a globalist.
Unfortunately not everyone wants to be educated, especially when they believe in supremacist ideologies. Individual Muslims should be accepted. Sharia should be crushed in all forms in the West because it is incompatible with freedom and a democratic republic.
March 29, 2019, 09:32:32 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.
+1
More like a mafia or a criminal gang. You cannot leave it without some dire consequences.
This may indeed be so, but now we have a drift of this thread in a direction of agreeing with the straw man argument initially proposed by the OP.
I cannot agree with that, because I know that were I to be boots-on-the-ground fighting Islamic terror, to my right and left would be Muslims, and they would be good. I see your point of view, just can't group them all together in such a fashion.
Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.
You cannot destroy Sharia Law without destroying the Quran and the Hadiths.
How can you welcome Muslims and destroy Sharia Law? If you start banning parts of the Quran or Hadiths, you will turn all non-Islamists Muslims into Jihadists and Terrorists.
This ideology cannot be reformed. No word in the Quran can be changed. Just talk to any Muslim if you don't believe me.
They think that the Quran is the word of God and humans have no right to change it.
The only long-term solution is a physical separation of Muslims and non-Muslims.
Muslims should not be allowed to reside in non-Muslim or secular countries.
Anything else is just kicking the can down the road.
Western countries made a grave mistake by allowing Muslims to legally immigrate to non-Muslim countries.
Islam is the sickest product of the human mind.
I don't expect to tell Muslims how to reform their own religion. I do however think it is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED the West takes a HARD UNWAVERING REJECTION of Sharia law with no apologies. How they want to sort it out is their problem, and in the end they won't bother until the West steps up and defends itself domestically.
March 29, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
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You cannot destroy Sharia Law without destroying the Quran and the Hadiths.
How can you welcome Muslims and destroy Sharia Law? If you start banning parts of the Quran or Hadiths, you will turn all non-Islamists Muslims into Jihadists and Terrorists.
This ideology cannot be reformed. No word in the Quran can be changed. Just talk to any Muslim if you don't believe me.
They think that the Quran is the word of God and humans have no right to change it. ....
You cannot destroy Sharia Law without destroying the Quran and the Hadiths.
How can you welcome Muslims and destroy Sharia Law? If you start banning parts of the Quran or Hadiths, you will turn all non-Islamists Muslims into Jihadists and Terrorists.
This ideology cannot be reformed. No word in the Quran can be changed. Just talk to any Muslim if you don't believe me.
They think that the Quran is the word of God and humans have no right to change it. ....
I get the impression from ex Muslims on reddit, that change is possible.
March 29, 2019, 09:22:28 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.
+1
More like a mafia or a criminal gang. You cannot leave it without some dire consequences.
This may indeed be so, but now we have a drift of this thread in a direction of agreeing with the straw man argument initially proposed by the OP.
I cannot agree with that, because I know that were I to be boots-on-the-ground fighting Islamic terror, to my right and left would be Muslims, and they would be good. I see your point of view, just can't group them all together in such a fashion.
Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.
You cannot destroy Sharia Law without destroying the Quran and the Hadiths.
How can you welcome Muslims and destroy Sharia Law? If you start banning parts of the Quran or Hadiths, you will turn all non-Islamists Muslims into Jihadists and Terrorists.
This ideology cannot be reformed. No word in the Quran can be changed. Just talk to any Muslim if you don't believe me.
They think that the Quran is the word of God and humans have no right to change it.
The only long-term solution is a physical separation of Muslims and non-Muslims.
Muslims should not be allowed to reside in non-Muslim or secular countries.
Anything else is just kicking the can down the road.
Western countries made a grave mistake by allowing Muslims to legally immigrate to non-Muslim countries.
Islam is the sickest product of the human mind.
March 29, 2019, 07:26:21 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.
+1
More like a mafia or a criminal gang. You cannot leave it without some dire consequences.
This may indeed be so, but now we have a drift of this thread in a direction of agreeing with the straw man argument initially proposed by the OP.
I cannot agree with that, because I know that were I to be boots-on-the-ground fighting Islamic terror, to my right and left would be Muslims, and they would be good. I see your point of view, just can't group them all together in such a fashion.
Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.
March 29, 2019, 07:05:31 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.
+1
More like a mafia or a criminal gang. You cannot leave it without some dire consequences.
This may indeed be so, but now we have a drift of this thread in a direction of agreeing with the straw man argument initially proposed by the OP.
I cannot agree with that, because I know that were I to be boots-on-the-ground fighting Islamic terror, to my right and left would be Muslims, and they would be good. I see your point of view, just can't group them all together in such a fashion.
March 29, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.
+1
More like a mafia or a criminal gang. You cannot leave it without some dire consequences.
March 29, 2019, 04:23:30 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.
March 29, 2019, 03:49:04 PM
Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.
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