Topic: Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists" Should we say that? - page 8. (Read 1805 times)

There have been numerous Muslim apologists do this, by noting such things as "such and such an order in the Quran to kill infidels" applied only to a particular issue or battle during the life of their Prophet.

Regardless, I do prefer the Christian montage, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

Well, Islam is approximately the only religion that currently singles out good things for its own people, the Muslims, and bad things (including violence) against anybody else who won't become a Muslim.

What is a Christian? A Christian is anybody who obeys the things that are taught in the New Testament of the Bible. If a person doesn't obey, he's not a Christian, no matter how many times he says he's a Christian. The N.T. doesn't even suggest to use violence against anybody. So, people who say they are Christians yet use violence against other people, aren't really Christians.

Same thing goes for a Muslim. If a person says he's a Muslim, but doesn't obey the writings of Islam, he's not really a Muslim, no matter how many times he says he's a Muslim. Muslim writings don't only say that Muslims have permission to use violence against people of other religions/governments. Muslim writings order Muslims to use violence against people of other religions/governments. And the writings even show the times and the ways to do it. So, people who say they are Muslims yet DON'T use violence against other people, aren't really Muslims.

Do I have to start a count of how much this logical fallacy of tu quoque is used? We have been over this. Christianity has been through a serious reform process separating the state from the religion, Islam has not.




Bitcoin is not a political system, it is literally just data sitting on inanimate objects. Islam consists of people who make up entire countries with aspirations for a global caliphate. I am glad you brought up the fact that there are 1.5 billion Muslims, because in Western nations they get special treatment as minorities, but they are by no means a minority of any kind.

Additionally the fact that Islam is so large is EVEN MORE of an argument that it should be reformed because the impact is that much larger. The fact is Islam refuses to reform itself, so it is extremely hypocritical of Muslims to cry about criticisms of Islam if they refuse to control their own people for whatever reasons.

Until Islam reforms itself and stops seeking domination and submission of non-Muslims through violence or other wise THERE WILL ALWAYS be conflict and collective blame regardless of how many innocent individuals there are. I suggest if you don't like it you look to your Muslim brothers and sisters and find ways to change Islam, because if you don't, outsiders will, and at that point they aren't going to care much about your opinions on the matter. Those that live by the sword die by the sword, and those that stand idly by while their own shed blood are not innocent.

Theres just bad people that interpret in a bad way.

Compare to BTC for example. BTC isn't responsible for Money Laundering the person that uses it is. But anytime someone is convicted of a crime and BTC is involved whats the first thing said BTC is use for MONEY Laundering.

In the case of Islam as a religion any bad that occurs is used to justify the adversity interpreted in the Quran as bad. What my point is in anything you can make a statement sound good or bad. so my suggestion there are over 1.5 billion worldwide and a small minority of these do absolutely stupid things that even there religion does not permit so lets tarnish the whole 1.5 BILIION.

Well i'm just saying that singling out islam as a religion of violence isn't quite fair since other religions have their own contributions on violence. The muslims who advocate killing and violence are like christians who take the old testament texts heavier than the new testament. There are muslims who condone such radical actions and they're probably the ones who prefer to view the more moral aspects of the quran. Same as you prefering to view the new testament as the part of the bible we should live by.

^^^ It's listed on the left side. Just scroll down a little. You can click the links and find the details about each one. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The count now is 34,385 terror attacks. They are each individually documented on the link provided.

But the Bible isn't what is being talked about in this thread. Since you don't answer the question about Islam, my info, above, stands.

The New Testament of the Bible is the Bible writing that all people should be following today. It has no violence ordered for any Bible people to do from its writing to the present. The only NT violence to be done will be done by Jesus God, Himself, at the end, at the time of the judgment.

your brain already washed by media sir. all i know about truly muslim is they teaching love to people who ever they are, whatever they are like christian

Maybe it is you that should dig a bit deeper?

This whataboutism has been brought up already about 5 times. The difference is Christianity has gone through a reformation process where the church and the state have been split into separate entities. Islam has not gone through this reformation process.

The bible has it's own fair share of violence, genocide, immorality etc. As the quran if you'd dig deep into it. I think the difference is that there are a lot of apologists and leaders who interpret the bible differently scrubbing out all the bad things there while muslim leaders are somewhat purists, sticking exactly to their holybook quite literally.

If you think that some parts of the Koran and Hadiths were "replaced by wrong sentences intentionally," how do you know which ones? Maybe the ones you/they say are the "wrong" ones, are really the only right ones, and all the "good" ones are the wrong ones.

If you have to judge which parts of Islam are right and which ones are wrong, maybe there are as many different versions of Islam as there are Muslims.

This is chaos. You are talking about a religion of chaos. If Muslims are violent at times, because they accept the violent parts of the Koran as the true parts, Islam really means to think and do whatever you like.

This makes Islam way worse of a religion than has been described in this thread so far. And you are the one who is showing it to be this way.

If someone consdered to be an complete muslim they have five duty to complete which are kalima,five times prayer,pasting in Ramadhan,help the people in need and finally Hajj so they are following it so I call them as muslims.
Even I asked about the statment you guys mentioned with some of my muslim friends why they need to be violent if they have to be muslim but they said that some parts of Quran were replaced by wrong sentences intentionally and show to others as they were bad guys.

The closest modern day analogy to the fanatical Muslim extremist might is the kamikaze Japanese fighters and pilots of world war II. Both internalized a political theology which guided their actions.

I think it is reasonable to not allow Islam the "benefit of the doubt" as a religion, which is given to religions, when it comes to Islam's political machinations. One large part of that is and will continue to be terror.

Any who claim different are either foolish or practicing Takiyya.

How do you know those people are Muslims? Maybe they are only saying that they are Muslims, but really are not.

Why would they say that they are Muslims when they aren't? Because like you, they haven't read all of the Koran and Hadiths. Like you they don't realize that they aren't Muslims but are being deceived into thinkiong that they are Muslims.

True Muslims are people who follow Islam. And Islam says that Muslims have to be blatantly and dynamically violent at times. Islam says that when Muslims are not violent, it is for converting non-Muslims to Islam, or it is to deceive non-Muslims.

Further, What is a peaceful Muslim going to do when his clerics tell him that now is the time that he has to act violently and kill the infidels? Is he going to disobey thereby endangering himself and his whole family from the punishment that comes to backsliding Muslims? Probably not! More than likely he will suddenly learn how to become violent.

So, stop saying that Muslims aren't violent. If they aren't, they aren't Muslims.

Terrorism has no particular religion
Religion can not be judged by one person.
There are many good Muslim people.
And many wicked people in all religions.

I didn't know what Quran says,all I know is how the modern days muslims from my neighborhood reacts and they are good in my knowledge so don't call all Muslims as terrorist is my arguement.

At this link - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm - you will find most of the violence in Islam.

Muslim citizens are forced into Islam by threat of violence. But they don't obey Islam violence because they are not Muslim at heart.

Is it any statement on the Quaran states that,if someone won't agree to convert into Islams they have to excecute them?
Then why all those arabic countries have non muslim citizens.