Topic: Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists" Should we say that? - page 7. (Read 1805 times)

Since Muslim countries are so much more friendly, let's let them conquer off all the other countries by their violence, so that we can all be friendly, right?

The only way we get Muslim countries at all is, Muslims threaten other people to convert or face cruelties and death. People might convert to Islam sincerely, sometimes, without being threatened into it. But the only ways that Muslim countries come about, is by threat of violence against non-Muslim people.


We have peace and prosperity in Western Europe and the USA. Muslims like it. So they come to Western Europe and the USA for peace and prosperity. Then they turn the peaceful countries into violent countries. It's happening throughout Western Europe, and the only reason why it's not happening in the USA is the oceans. Not a lot of Muslims have crossed the oceans to the USA with their oh-so-peaceful violence, yet.

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

Very correct I always view any Muslim that is too religious with a suspect eye because that can lead them to extremist which will result into violent attack on non Muslim's. Muslim have been given that terrorism image base on the large statistics of many of the attacks being carried out by Muslims extremists.

He might be a Buddhist bisexual philatelist circus clown too, that doesn't mean there is any evidence he is one though.

Derail. And intentional.

Nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

I watched the video, yes, and I even double checked before posting just to make sure. The men in the doorway were not even facing him when they were talking to EACH OTHER. His manifesto also explicitly says he hopes consertvatism is dead and that he doesn't really identify with the right or the left. He also called himself an "eco-fascist" and said he most identifies with the government of China.

Proclaiming he is on the right is just a convenient slander to drive political motives of your choice and has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. By your own logic I could say he is on the left because he identifies with Communist China, but I know that this is just as dumb as placing him as identifying with the right, because he EXPLICITLY SAID he does not identify as either right or left in his manifesto. You are just cherry picking the parts that serve your own bias.

Additionally your assertion that he is a Christian is 1000% pulled directly from your ass. I haven't made a single comment about the race of anyone here in this thread, so you can shove your accusations of racism right back up your ass from where you pulled it. Islam is not a race it is a religion and a political system.

Hey Mister "I know everything",
Did you see the video ? (I did, not even 2h after the incident and before all editing).
Haven't you heard the Salam greeting the doorman said the the attacker ?

Not on the right ?
Have you not looked on the internet ?
This week it was proven that the attacker sent money to "generation identité" not once but twice, this is a neo-nazy Austrian association. He sent money to the French  and Austrian counterpart.
And not small amounts. Everything is in the media (all kind of media). Strange no for someone not on the far right ?

I concede that the scaling is not the best to compare Muslim and Christians.
Anyway a terrorist attack killing 50 in a country with 5 millions people is far more a tragedy than in a larger country (for this specific country).
Human life have the same value everywhere in the world, but country population isn't the same.
If you want to compare apple with apple, a scaling has to be made.

If you scale with  car accidents.
NZ : 377 road death in 2018 -> terrorist attack (50 killed) represent 13% of road deaths.
USA : 37 000 deaths in 2016 -> scaling would mean 4800 terrorist casualties

I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.

Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ?
Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist

He was not a Christian, that is absolute horse shit. He didn't even identify as one. He didn't identify as being on the right either. Too bad you live in a totalitarian nation which prevents you from looking for yourself, and instead you are forced to swallow whatever turds they choose to force feed you. Also your little scaling game is beyond retarded, by that same logic we could declare Muslims responsible for BILLIONS of deaths. Your shitty movie script version where the victim said "peace be upon you brother" never fucking happened. You know how I know this? I don't live in a totalitarian nation, and we have freedom of speech, which means I am free to actually see what happened unedited with my own eyes.

In my country (New Zealand), the only terrorist attack we ever had was perpetrated by a white christian against the Muslim population.
This is the only terrorist act ever recorded  in NZ.
The terrorist killed 50 people this represent 0.1% of the whole Muslim population of the country.  Or 0.001% of the country's population.
It is estimated that 600 personnes have been affected by this attack (50 dead - 50 wounded and 500 family members of those 100 persons)

So if you like stats :
In New Zealand, 100% of the terrorists attacks have been committed by Christians
That Christian terrorist killed 50/ 5 000 000 of the country population = 0.001%


If you scale it to the USA :
It is the same as a potential attack against Christians killing 240 000 Christians (0.1% of the 240 million Christians in US)
Or a terrorist attack killing 3270 Americans (regardless of the religion), wounding the same amount   and affecting 39 000 persons (family members)


Oh by the way, the terrorist was greeted by his first victim with "Peace upon you brother" just seconds before being killed.

So who do you call terrorist ?

While your opinion is true that just because other Muslims are terrorists doesn't make all Muslims to be terrorists but we can't blame people from the trauma they're experiencing because of what other Muslims are doing. It is like putting one spoiled tomato in a a basket full of good tomatoes spoil them all. It is their Muslim brothers that are destroying the reputations of Muslims in general and causing hatred to the people.

Because stamping out religion 100% has been tried numerous times, and forcing adherence to a state religion has been tried numerous times. History is your friend.

We shouldn't judge a person just because of their religion.
Sure there are some Muslim that are terrorist but that doesn't mean that all of them are,
Everyone could be a terrorist not just the Muslims .
So don't say that Muslims are terrorist because you are reffering to all of the muslims.

Yes, we are done here, because I already told you to fuck off to your atheism thread.

Sorry but you don't have any fucking idea what you are talking about in the slightest. Again, as I said before, you are simply another form of religious zealot completely convinced of the correctitude of your belief system, and I find debating the validity of peoples beliefs to be an asinine task even if you were capable of an intellectually honest debate on this topic. Take it to the atheism thread, no one is interested in watching you jerk yourself off here and it is off topic.

Exactly, that is my number #1 criticism of atheism. Without the concept of God, however you perceive it, the state becomes the defacto God as the highest authority on Earth, accountable to no one. This is why in the USA all of our constitutional rights are "God given" rights, or inalienable if you prefer, as the state can neither grant them nor take them away. Coincidentally this is one reason why I find Communism so abhorrent because its goal is to become the secular God, and as you said history shows how that turns out...

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

Violence from the Islam religion is the most important violence against the true religion of peace, Christianity. Why? Because it is worded right in their Islam writings that Muslims are supposed to follow.

Why Islam? Check the chart.

List of religious populations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

Religion	Adherents	Percentage
Christianity	2.4 billion[3]	33%
Islam	1.8 billion[3]	24.1%
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist	1.2 billion	16%
Hinduism	1.15 billion	15%
Buddhism	521 million	7%
Chinese traditional religion[c]	394 million	5.50%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories	300 million	4.19%
African traditional religions	100 million[5]	1.40%
Sikhism	30 million	0.32%
Spiritism	15 million	0.21%
Judaism	14.4 million[6]	0.20%
Bahá'í	7.0 million	0.10%
Jainism	4.2 million	0.06%
Shinto	4.0 million	0.06%
Cao Dai	4.0 million	0.06%
Zoroastrianism	2.6 million	0.04%
Tenrikyo	2.0 million	0.02%
Neo-Paganism	1.0 million	0.01%
Unitarian Universalism	0.8 million	0.01%
Rastafari	0.6 million	0.01%
total	7.167 billion	100%

Look at the size of violent Islam. If Islam wants to be bad, good people should take notice.

No thanks, enjoy your self proclaimed correctitide of your choice belief system.

This is where I have to push back. This is not a solution, and attempting to do so will create significantly more bloodshed and pain on all sides from all religious backgrounds as well as the secular world. Banning any religion is never going to be a solution, as history shows. Furthermore atheism itself is just another system of belief based upon just as much evidence, none.

Religion serves many constructive purposes, also many destructive purposes. As any organization, it is vulnerable to infiltration and subversion for destructive purposes, it doesn't have to even be a religion. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be restrained and checked, but I find it quite simplistic, childish, and counterproductive to attempt to just blanket ban religion as a whole.

However this is getting quite far off topic and belongs more in the atheism thread you are quite fond of, which I specifically avoid because as I stated atheism is just another form of religion, and you can't reason with religious zealots convinced of their correctitude, be they theist or atheist.

It may come as a shock to you, in this age of cameras, audio and infrared, but this is as much an age of ignorance as any other age might have been.