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March 03, 2016, 02:47:50 PM
But I can't let you say the same shit again and again.


lol, are you daydreaming that your socialist fantasy has come true, and you are in charge of what everyone is allowed to say?

Pff... Cause socialism = dictatorship and end of freedom of speech of course...

I meant I can't let you say the same shit again and again without countering you that's all.



If you're going to start countering me, I'll wait until you come up with something.
sr. member
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March 03, 2016, 02:40:14 PM
But I can't let you say the same shit again and again.


lol, are you daydreaming that your socialist fantasy has come true, and you are in charge of what everyone is allowed to say?

Pff... Cause socialism = dictatorship and end of freedom of speech of course...

I meant I can't let you say the same shit again and again without countering you that's all.
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March 03, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
Which is why it's important to maintain a direct democracy, avoiding a small elite to take control of socialist principle and thus restauring the "good old communism" as you say Wink
Yes but democracy is nothing more than a shield for  free market economy,
which destroying whole world with greed for power and resources.
This is why we must implement some principles from socialism to democracy.
Family, workers, kids, must be protected from greed of bankers and multinational corporations.
Only mixing few elements from democracy and socialism we can find nearly perfect system for today people needs.

If you ask me i'm ready for Venus project,  and resources based economy.

Hmm... I understand your love for the Venus project but the problem with it is we still don't have a technology that can produce sustainable energy. So you just can't do it.

I'd probably support TZM guys over the venus project, but still it does seem like something that sounds nice right now but we cant get everyone to agree to work towards the same cause.   Maybe we need a war with aliens or something to unite us.
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March 03, 2016, 02:20:51 PM
But I can't let you say the same shit again and again.


lol, are you daydreaming that your socialist fantasy has come true, and you are in charge of what everyone is allowed to say?
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March 03, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
I've just owned him more thoroughly than socialist government employees own the results of production.

He will probably never post on the internet again.

I don't know:
1/ what you mean, makes no sense to me
2/ who you're talking to

Unless you're talking to fatman. Cause you know he just came here cause he was bored for 2 min. He won't take time toanswer you. I shouldn't even waste time for you in fact. But I can't let you say the same shit again and again.
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March 03, 2016, 02:03:38 PM
I've just owned him more thoroughly than socialist government employees own the results of production.

He will probably never post on the internet again.
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March 03, 2016, 01:56:48 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.

Yes and no.

There's a difference between a spelling error in a second language and misusing language to give a false impression that a fairly extreme position somehow has broad support.





So you're using the excuse that you don't know English well enough to spell words correctly,
but you just got done representing yourself as an expert who knows all popular English sayings.

You didn't say, "I've never heard that saying, but then English is my second language."
You said, "It's not a saying."

In your language, how do you say "full of shit"?

I don't know for fatman but in my language it's rather popular to say BARR_Official  Kiss
sr. member
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March 03, 2016, 01:55:45 PM

I've heard we eat babies.


Oh no! Even worse!

We give them FREE EDUCATION!!! YOU IMAGINE?
And then we make everyone pay for it! So that no matter who, black white, rich or poor, all children can afford to go to the school he wants if he works hard enough. Brrr... Just by imagining it... You seriously imagine that? A country where all children can make their studies without taking out 200k$ loans. Horrible.
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March 03, 2016, 01:55:05 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.

Yes and no.

There's a difference between a spelling error in a second language and misusing language to give a false impression that a fairly extreme position somehow has broad support.





So you're using the excuse that you don't know English well enough to spell words correctly,
but you just got done representing yourself as an expert who knows all popular English sayings.

You didn't say, "I've never heard that saying, but then English is my second language."
You said, "It's not a saying."

In your language, how do you say "full of shit"?
legendary
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March 03, 2016, 01:52:50 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.

Yes and no.

There's a difference between a spelling error in a second language and misusing language to give a false impression that a fairly extreme position somehow has broad support.


What? English is not your first language? It means you're not a civilised American? I bet you're one of those socialists monsters of Europe! Wink

I've heard we eat babies.
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March 03, 2016, 01:44:45 PM
-nonsense-

Ok so you're actually saying that without any kind of government it would be absolute freedom?

So what will prevent big rich guys to oppress you? They got the money so they'll just use their power to put you down.

What you're saying is dumb as hell simply because it implie that humans are good by nature, and that if they're given the choice they'll always do the right thing. Experience shows it is not the case.
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March 03, 2016, 01:41:06 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.

Yes and no.

There's a difference between a spelling error in a second language and misusing language to give a false impression that a fairly extreme position somehow has broad support.


What? English is not your first language? It means you're not a civilised American? I bet you're one of those socialists monsters of Europe! Wink
legendary
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March 03, 2016, 01:33:19 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.

Yes and no.

There's a difference between a spelling error in a second language and misusing language to give a false impression that a fairly extreme position somehow has broad support.
hero member
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March 03, 2016, 01:19:26 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.
legendary
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Merit: 1013
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March 03, 2016, 01:04:43 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.
hero member
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March 03, 2016, 12:45:21 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1
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March 03, 2016, 11:41:40 AM

It's not a fucking free market, damnit socialists are very illiterate, almost every socialist I argued with cant comprehend the difference between a free market and a government regulated economy.

When you have 10,000 pages of regulation its not a free market, got it?




Haha, have fun!


Most people, such as the Socialists in this thread, view the political spectrum as something like this first image.






When the world around you is viewed through that lense, you often hold conflicting ideas and your moral compass is inconsistent. This is why on one hand, people can agree that theft is morally wrong between two individuals. Yet they also believe that if a group of people get together and vote to steal from others, it is morally good. This is a huge double standard that can't be reconciled when you view reality through this spectrum.

They are stuck in a false paradigm.







In reality, it's actually freedom vs slavery. Freedom being that each individual has the right to his own body, the fruits of his labor, and property. Nobody has the right to initiate violence or use aggression against him. Unfortunately all forms of government must inherently violate these principles of freedom.

I understand the need for helping people, but if I ask you to donate to charity and you refuse, it is none of my business to question your reasons. Now if there were 5 of us in a group and 3 of us voted to force you to donate, would that be morally ok? This is the whole basis for Democracy / Socialism. It is nothing more than a tyranny of the majority.

Two Wolves and a Sheep deciding what's for dinner!

The ideas of Socialism (health care, schools, etc.) are attractive because they're like a form of insurance. Everybody pays into a pot and then they can go to the doctor whenever they have issues. Some people who are very healthy will use the doctor very little, while others may be unlucky and need to see a doctor often. I actually think insurance is a great idea, and so do most people.

Socialists want to make this insurance mandatory for everybody under jurisdiction of a certain government. When something is mandatory and I happen to live in that area, it means that I cannot opt out of the system, in other words I am FORCED to partake. All I want is to be LEFT THE FUCK ALONE! Socialists don't believe I have that right.

In a free market, we have insurance we just don't FORCE you to pay for it. It's optional. You may or may not think it's necessary and that is 100% your own free choice. Private insurance could handle ALL of the things that government currently does and do a much better job because they'd be competing for your business.

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"






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March 03, 2016, 09:08:00 AM
Like every other system socialism has good and bad sides. It was often related to comunism and that is the reason why people have negative opinon about it but in its substance I don't think that its a bad system. It should be modified or let say "modernised" in some way to be implemented in the modern society. I have also lived in socialism and don't have bad memories about it at all, although I'm aware that it was far from ideal. 

Exactly!

Socialism doesn't mean you're not allowed to work for yourself. It doesn't mean everything you build will be seize by government. Simply that parts of what you earn will be taken to pay up for the roads, the health care, social welfare and EDUCATION!

How can anyone think it's a bad thing to pay for education? ><

Everyone will benefits from a better educated country!
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March 03, 2016, 08:20:32 AM
Like every other system socialism has good and bad sides. It was often related to comunism and that is the reason why people have negative opinon about it but in its substance I don't think that its a bad system. It should be modified or let say "modernised" in some way to be implemented in the modern society. I have also lived in socialism and don't have bad memories about it at all, although I'm aware that it was far from ideal. 
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March 03, 2016, 08:08:02 AM
I lived in socialism, before changes people smiled, almost everyone had work, people was happy. And now..? Older generation is disillusioned, younger generation embraced new "values". Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I would think differently if I never felt socialism and I have 18 years old again.

Here you get it brother. They don't know what they've lsot so they don't understand how important socialism is.
It's about everyone helping each other. It's about everyone rising together.
But no they prefer competition. They'll die fighting each other.
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