Topic: Why Socialism is the key - page 11. (Read 33160 times)

Cuba is not a very good example in my opinion since they are under embargo since a few decades now.
A Europe vs US is a much more accurate comparaison since most European countries define themselves as socialist.

Just. Fucking. WOW!


Here's what the black slave owners used to say about slavery:

"My slaves aren't always happy, but I give them food, water and take them to the doctor regularly."

But they probably just need MORE Socialism and it would be better! 

I highly doubt you read my posts. If you did, it's clear you didn't think very hard afterwards.


I think people should be educated too. In fact, probably 99% of people would share out opinion on education. Would you agree?

If that's the general consensus throughout the population, then doesn't it seem probable that this opinion would translate into market demand? Surely if 99% of everybody wants education than there will be education provided in a free market. The reason that education would be provided is because EVERYONE would gladly pay for it and so it's a business opportunity. People don't need to give control of the education system to a government monopoly. Thankfully, in most places we still have private schools, however even though I might choose to use a private school, unfortunately I'm still forced to pay for the public education system through taxes.

All you are really implying with your above comment, is that in your mind, YOU can't think of any possible way to educate people without the government forcing them to pay taxes and then giving them an education. That's just intellectual laziness, sorry.

I'm showing you guys the logic and you're saying stupid shit like, "But you all freaks believe that in some kind of magical way everything will work out? "

There is no magic dumbass. Socialists just think they know what's best for everyone else and because they have such good intentions, that means it's morally acceptable to use taxes and force people to pay for their great ideas. Good ideas don't require force. Do I need to tax you to make sure you feed yourself? Some extreme Socialist would probably say yes to that too!

Yeah, they may not have everything we have in the western world, but I do think they are generally pretty happy.
There are other countries where socialism has failed though..

Ok then you need absolutely no rule, a free currency of course, like btc.

And how do you protect citizens? I mean what would prevent a company like Google to just hire some mercenaries and kill the potential competitors as there is no police and no government?

I spent 3 months in Cuba. I confirm what Craked5 says.
Cubans are not always happy for sure, communism is a dictatorship. But they still get an incredible healthcare. And food for everyone.

It would be dangerous for you to say those lies in Miami where so many Cubans live.

Just for your own good, keep it on the internet.

Just look around in Cuba and you will see socialism communism in action with shops without food and antique cars everywhere.  food for everyone and one of the best healthcare in the world while the USA makes a total and absolute embargo on them making it impossible for them to exchange new goods such as more modern cars.

Just look around in Cuba and you will see socialism in action with shops without food and antique cars everywhere. 

Ok so from what I saw two systems are opposed here:

Socialism system, needing direct democracy to work
Absolute free market, which can't really work cause no police no government no army... No?

But what's funny is that both systems need the end of banks to work!
Seems like we at least can ally on this.

Because they got huge investments and fundraisers from stock market or other loans.

It ties into the banking system, and if I cant get a fundraiser, but a big company can, that is not equal.

In a free market, everyone can get fundraiser for any project, just like now in the bitcoin space. Just go to a bitcoin fundraiser site and get any funds or loans your business needs.

In the fiat economy its heavily regulated.

Hey buddy, got a question for you:

Funny. You're saying that without rules or taxes, in a free market, everyone would be equals.

Well here's a good example: there is no rule about internet in 99% countries. Why is Google dominating and killing everything else so much then?

I think I lost most of my faith in humanity in this thread... This is all pathetic...

I'm still waiting for any of you all capitalists pigs to explain Laosai how you can give everyone an education without taxes and socialism!

But you all freaks believe that in some kind of magical way everything will work out?

It might have been your property. He might have taken your car, your TV or something else with the potential value to cover what you owe. With the backing of the courts of course.

But it's good to see you don't object to tax collection.

Well good to hear you think rationally!

Believe me if we could return to stripped down constitutional republic like the US was founded on, it would be a massive improvement and I'd be pretty happy with that.

When you say "full freedom is not good for humans", then you'd also have to answer the moral question of why a political ritual called voting can magically change theft from morally bad to morally good. Because that's really the only difference between free markets and government. Coercive taxation (a unique property only governments possess) is what I have an issue with.

I do agree that society needs rules and law enforcement, but those rules need to be based on universal principles. Meaning that what is wrong for individuals (ie theft) must also necessarily be wrong for a group of individuals (government taxation aka theft).

Anyway, if the we were "governed" as a constitutional republic, most of the moral double standards would be taken care of. It's only about 100 years ago that they implemented the income tax.

I agree that BADecker might be smarter than me.

Anyway I think he's smart enough to admit that politicians try to bribe people and buy votes with promises of free money to appeal to the greed of short-sighted and selfish voters.