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March 03, 2016, 08:50:44 PM

If you take my property from me it's called theft and it's morally wrong. Agree? Yes or No?


Depends on if he has a legal basis for doing so. This can be had if he's lent you some money and you won't/can't pay him back, if you've caused damage and refuse to compensate or repair what's damaged, or if you haven't paid your taxes.


Lol, for fucks sake that why I explicitly said " If you take MY PROPERTY...".  Taking back something that was originally yours is not theft. Now go ahead and answer my questions.
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March 03, 2016, 07:04:30 PM

If you take my property from me it's called theft and it's morally wrong. Agree? Yes or No?


Depends on if he has a legal basis for doing so. This can be had if he's lent you some money and you won't/can't pay him back, if you've caused damage and refuse to compensate or repair what's damaged, or if you haven't paid your taxes.
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March 03, 2016, 06:53:58 PM
Socialism nowadays is very important in many ways. It affects people on how to have a positive approach to each other. This is very helpful for interaction that will undergo all aspects of communication. I believe that this will also bring positive and negative outcome when dealing with different types of people.
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March 03, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
Ok so how do you make sure nobody uses force without using force? You ask kindly?

Umm... initiating force against somebody is a completely different thing from self defense. Why on earth would you think people aren't allowed to defend themselves?


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So duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb ><

You're actually saying that customers would chose to buy products taking into account the power of the company and that they would actually chose to balance the market by themselves???


Re-read what I said. You literally aren't making any sense.


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Again you're talking about a government when I'm talking about the people. I'll try to say it again but it seems you don't listen: in direct democracy government = people


You haven't even read my previous posts apparently, so why am I wasting my time?


If you take my property from me it's called theft and it's morally wrong. Agree? Yes or No?

If we add two more people two this scenario and the three of you vote to take away my property is that now somehow morally acceptable? Yes or No?

Political rituals called voting to impose taxes on people does not change the facts of morality.

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March 03, 2016, 06:16:51 PM
So he's offering money in exchange for votes.

But of course you won't tell it like it is, socialism can never win honestly.

Could we just settle on the fact that you're probably one of the dumbest person of this forum? Even more than BADECKER!!!
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March 03, 2016, 06:15:38 PM

Ok so you're actually saying that without any kind of government it would be absolute freedom?



Now now, don't get all scared and start implying chaos. I am not saying freedom in the sense that anything goes. I did explain previously that initiating force against others was morally wrong. You are choosing to ignore half of what I said and start ranting about oppression. That being said, freedom is scary thing to most people. It means admitting that you are 100% accountable for your own life!

Ok so how do you make sure nobody uses force without using force? You ask kindly?
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So what will prevent big rich guys to oppress you? They got the money so they'll just use their power to put you down.

Very simple, competitive markets limit power. Giant corporations don't just appear out of nowhere. I understand it's hard to strip away the layers of complexity, when we were all born into the present situation. Businesses grow because they are providing a valuable service to their customers, who (in a free market) CHOOSE to do business with them. Does Apple hold a gun to your head when you buy an iPhone? Nope. On the other hand I will have a gun held to my head if I choose to not do business with the local or federal governments when they provide me service that I don't ask for.

Taxation = Coercion
Buying a product from a business out of your own free will = Freedom.

So duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb ><

You're actually saying that customers would chose to buy products taking into account the power of the company and that they would actually chose to balance the market by themselves???

Do you even understand how impossible this is?
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What you're saying is dumb as hell simply because it implie that humans are good by nature, and that if they're given the choice they'll always do the right thing. Experience shows it is not the case.

It doesn't imply anything of the sort. I recognize that some people are bad and hence why I'd prefer that we didn't grant them a vehicle (government and coercive taxation), in which to take over and use for to further their sociopathic agendas.

The belief in government is the same as belief in Gods. They are both comforting, in that people can shrug off responsibility for their lives, but they are both fundamentally destructive. If people stopped believing in this thing called "authority" then nobody (corporations, or warlords) would be able to rule. Why do you think it is that Bill Gates does not have the ability to tax people? Because nobody BELIEVES that he has the authority! It's that simple.




Again you're talking about a government when I'm talking about the people. I'll try to say it again but it seems you don't listen: in direct democracy government = people
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March 03, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
But I can't let you say the same shit again and again.


lol, are you daydreaming that your socialist fantasy has come true, and you are in charge of what everyone is allowed to say?

Pff... Cause socialism = dictatorship and end of freedom of speech of course...

I meant I can't let you say the same shit again and again without countering you that's all.



If you're going to start countering me, I'll wait until you come up with something.

You mean like the three articles about wealth concentration we posted or the multiple proofs of power concentration of an elite when the market is free?
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March 03, 2016, 06:10:55 PM
So he's offering money in exchange for votes.

But of course you won't tell it like it is, socialism can never win honestly.

Huh?

No, you've misunderstood.

Socialism is a wonderful thing when its construction and operation are angels otherwise this is not the most effective and clumsy thing Smiley

The extreme types of socialism (except anarchism) will even corrupt angels.
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March 03, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
Socialism is a wonderful thing when its construction and operation are angels otherwise this is not the most effective and clumsy thing Smiley
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March 03, 2016, 05:17:47 PM
So he's offering money in exchange for votes.

But of course you won't tell it like it is, socialism can never win honestly.
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March 03, 2016, 05:15:16 PM
Bernie Sanders should be arrested for offering money in exchange for votes.
He doesn't, you'll get your share even if you didn't vote for him.
Even if he doesn't get elected?

You can ask.
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March 03, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Bernie Sanders should be arrested for offering money in exchange for votes.

He doesn't, you'll get your share even if you didn't vote for him.



Even if he doesn't get elected?
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March 03, 2016, 05:02:19 PM
Bernie Sanders should be arrested for offering money in exchange for votes.

He doesn't, you'll get your share even if you didn't vote for him.

Why he's promising stuff he'll never get through congress is a different matter. But that sort of goes for all the candidates.
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March 03, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
Bernie Sanders should be arrested for offering money in exchange for votes.

legendary
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March 03, 2016, 04:45:12 PM
He probably sold his account, too ashamed to post here again himself

I like your scam site. Perfect for right wing nutters.
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March 03, 2016, 04:41:35 PM
He probably sold his account, too ashamed to post here again himself
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March 03, 2016, 03:22:51 PM
I've just owned him more thoroughly than socialist government employees own the results of production.

He will probably never post on the internet again.

Picking on people for spelling errors. You're a hero.
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March 03, 2016, 03:10:31 PM

There is a saying: "Government. Ideas so good, we have to force you to pay for them!"



+1

It's not a saying just because right wing nutters keep repeating it. A saying has its origin from the broader populous.



-us and -ous aren't interchangeable just because people use them incorrectly. 

The ability to use words properly is an important part of knowing what you're talking about.

Yes and no.

There's a difference between a spelling error in a second language and misusing language to give a false impression that a fairly extreme position somehow has broad support.





So you're using the excuse that you don't know English well enough to spell words correctly,
but you just got done representing yourself as an expert who knows all popular English sayings.

You didn't say, "I've never heard that saying, but then English is my second language."
You said, "It's not a saying."

In your language, how do you say "full of shit"?

I could have said I was thinking of the game Populous, but that might have been too esoteric.

Anyhew, are you saying I am wrong?
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March 03, 2016, 03:03:06 PM

So, we've pointed out several problems with the ways we govern our societies within the framework of our current financial systems.  I am truly on the isle with much of what has been discussed here.  However, what I am pondering now is: How do technologies, such as bitcoin, change the financial landscape within the framework of our geo-socio-economic structure.  Could bitcoin change how we govern?  Seriously?

What problems within our several systems could these new technologies reconcile?
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March 03, 2016, 02:57:43 PM

Ok so you're actually saying that without any kind of government it would be absolute freedom?



Now now, don't get all scared and start implying chaos. I am not saying freedom in the sense that anything goes. I did explain previously that initiating force against others was morally wrong. You are choosing to ignore half of what I said and start ranting about oppression. That being said, freedom is scary thing to most people. It means admitting that you are 100% accountable for your own life!


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So what will prevent big rich guys to oppress you? They got the money so they'll just use their power to put you down.

Very simple, competitive markets limit power. Giant corporations don't just appear out of nowhere. I understand it's hard to strip away the layers of complexity, when we were all born into the present situation. Businesses grow because they are providing a valuable service to their customers, who (in a free market) CHOOSE to do business with them. Does Apple hold a gun to your head when you buy an iPhone? Nope. On the other hand I will have a gun held to my head if I choose to not do business with the local or federal governments when they provide me service that I don't ask for.

Taxation = Coercion
Buying a product from a business out of your own free will = Freedom.



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What you're saying is dumb as hell simply because it implie that humans are good by nature, and that if they're given the choice they'll always do the right thing. Experience shows it is not the case.

It doesn't imply anything of the sort. I recognize that some people are bad and hence why I'd prefer that we didn't grant them a vehicle (government and coercive taxation), in which to take over and use for to further their sociopathic agendas.

The belief in government is the same as belief in Gods. They are both comforting, in that people can shrug off responsibility for their lives, but they are both fundamentally destructive. If people stopped believing in this thing called "authority" then nobody (corporations, or warlords) would be able to rule. Why do you think it is that Bill Gates does not have the ability to tax people? Because nobody BELIEVES that he has the authority! It's that simple.


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