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Quote from: th3nolo on July 09, 2016, 08:15:12 PM

I'm From Venezuela who is a socialism.. country and what i get all is a corruption and my money has no value, You want to know the bad thing most of the people are working for like.. 30$ usd at month, yeah this is the slave country of the 21 century, socialism is the key holy shit man, how you can steal the largest income from petroleum and you make your country worse and worse every year ?

Stop taking that shit, i'm no saying capitalism is the key but socialism isn't.

Since you are from Venezuela, I have a question for you.

Is bitcoin useful in your country ? Is it easy to use them/change them ? Is it legal to do so ?

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There is no one solution because all human beings are individuals who differ in many ways so one persons upopia may be one persons idea of dystopia.Systems of conformity/uniformity should never be forced upon either through subversion,coercion or through force because the world is not made in this way.Diversity is the key to and all cultures,races,nations etc etc should plot their own course but their citizens should have the freedom of movement to choose by either staying or leaving.This is freedom of choice and there may be those who disagree with freedom of movement but explain that to a soul who flees tyranny and is told they cannot enter.Nation states should adopt their own policies autonomously without interference but they should not be allowed to engage in international affairs if they do not have freedom of movement that protects those who flee tyrants.

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 19, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

I find a lots of people here saying things like "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".

Well clearly it is not and socialism is the only way to go.
I'm French, I'm from a socialist country and solidarity is extremely important here.
Here is a common example given by people saying socialism is the worst thing ever: Healthcare costs around 2 billions of debt every year to the country.
So people are saying that we shouldn't give so much. That we shouldn't help each other so much.

I say bullshit nothing more.
The private sector of health is 36 billions every year. Just nationalize this shit and you'll get enough money to repay the health debt, triple the employment, repay part of national debt and lower the taxes!

It's the same for all sectors! What is profitable has been privatised by corrupted politician and only what costs money is left for the state! Another example? Yeah the Highways were sold to private companies! Just after they were repayed by tolls.

The only thing killing socialism is greed. Greed and corruption.

How do you fight it? By creating a democracy. but a true one not one of our shitty Western false democracies! One using the blockchain to make people vote for every law and every constitution modification! That's what should be done! Then you would see that we have far enough money, we're just letting private investors keeping it.

In any kind of government the only thing that's makes it a failure is the attitude and morality of leaders. It's the same with socialism, if it becomes a tool for greed then a country will become more poor and have a huge debt while the corrupt get richer. Even if we change the world's currency into bitcoin and all countries become one, as long as greed and selfishness is present still the people will suffer.

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I'm From Venezuela who is a socialism.. country and what i get all is a corruption and my money has no value, You want to know the bad thing most of the people are working for like.. 30$ usd at month, yeah this is the slave country of the 21 century, socialism is the key holy shit man, how you can steal the largest income from petroleum and you make your country worse and worse every year ?

Stop taking that shit, i'm no saying capitalism is the key but socialism isn't.

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Quote from: Jordan23 on July 05, 2016, 10:36:49 AM

Socialism uses the force of government. Force is immoral. That's it kiddies.

Cause capitalism isn't?
What's the difference between the state using force and people using force?

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Quote from: Mauser on July 07, 2016, 12:48:02 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on February 19, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

I find a lots of people here saying things like "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".

Well clearly it is not and socialism is the only way to go.
I'm French, I'm from a socialist country and solidarity is extremely important here.
Here is a common example given by people saying socialism is the worst thing ever: Healthcare costs around 2 billions of debt every year to the country.
So people are saying that we shouldn't give so much. That we shouldn't help each other so much.

I say bullshit nothing more.
The private sector of health is 36 billions every year. Just nationalize this shit and you'll get enough money to repay the health debt, triple the employment, repay part of national debt and lower the taxes!

It's the same for all sectors! What is profitable has been privatised by corrupted politician and only what costs money is left for the state! Another example? Yeah the Highways were sold to private companies! Just after they were repayed by tolls.

The only thing killing socialism is greed. Greed and corruption.

How do you fight it? By creating a democracy. but a true one not one of our shitty Western false democracies! One using the blockchain to make people vote for every law and every constitution modification! That's what should be done! Then you would see that we have far enough money, we're just letting private investors keeping it.

A democracy with people voting on every law and constitution would not work. How can you expect a voter to be informed and form an opinion about every topic? Imagine you have a long day at work, just tired to get home and then you should vote on the future of the country?

If you have referendum every day people would be even more subject to populism, extremist and lies.

Well If the population was informed and smart, they would not vote on subjects they don't understand. But we all know that people having the most opinions are the more ignorant ones. Grin

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How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.Any "ism" ends the word despotism and are usually reserved only for the ignorant masses who live in the herd and think like pack animals looking for their next great leader to tell them what to do.Think for yourselves and face the consequences but know them in advance.We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken,or a system fails society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker or the decisionmakers or legislators.Each individual is accountable for his actions and freedom doesn not come without risk.

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 19, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

I find a lots of people here saying things like "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".

Well clearly it is not and socialism is the only way to go.
I'm French, I'm from a socialist country and solidarity is extremely important here.
Here is a common example given by people saying socialism is the worst thing ever: Healthcare costs around 2 billions of debt every year to the country.
So people are saying that we shouldn't give so much. That we shouldn't help each other so much.

I say bullshit nothing more.
The private sector of health is 36 billions every year. Just nationalize this shit and you'll get enough money to repay the health debt, triple the employment, repay part of national debt and lower the taxes!

It's the same for all sectors! What is profitable has been privatised by corrupted politician and only what costs money is left for the state! Another example? Yeah the Highways were sold to private companies! Just after they were repayed by tolls.

The only thing killing socialism is greed. Greed and corruption.

How do you fight it? By creating a democracy. but a true one not one of our shitty Western false democracies! One using the blockchain to make people vote for every law and every constitution modification! That's what should be done! Then you would see that we have far enough money, we're just letting private investors keeping it.

A democracy with people voting on every law and constitution would not work. How can you expect a voter to be informed and form an opinion about every topic? Imagine you have a long day at work, just tired to get home and then you should vote on the future of the country?

If you have referendum every day people would be even more subject to populism, extremist and lies.

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yes socialism is the key, if the people in the government are not corrupt, can give the benefits of equality for the people of there countries, socialism as “a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production.” Socialist systems have a number of policy tools to help them achieve these goals
Socialism is a type of economic system that is highly controversial all around the world. In a socialistic society the government owns all of the industries, which means that they completely control them as well. They determine prices, amount of production that happens, and just about everything else that has to do with the economy. The main goal of this is to bring equality to the people, help manage the uneven distribution of wealth, and take away the class divide.

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Quote from: trollercoaster on May 28, 2016, 08:49:01 PM

Lmao socialism is ALL about stealing, you complete fucking imbecile.

well i think you are just simply over-excited with capitalism.
Socialism isn't about stealing but it is about spreading the good all over the people,but being fair at the moment.
The idea is good,but unluckily this cannot work in the modern days.

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Quote from: Jordan23 on July 05, 2016, 10:36:49 AM

Socialism uses the force of government. Force is immoral. That's it kiddies.

They consider the state as a "big daddy", always acting for your own sake because you might not know what you are doing.
In their logic, it's not a power play, they are helping you.

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Socialism uses the force of government. Force is immoral. That's it kiddies.

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Quote from: ingenuity on February 19, 2016, 05:54:33 PM

Socialism means stagnation and a standstill of innovation.

Socialism is key because getting to know new people and share your ideas with each other is what it is about. You will need to talk to some people in order to come on the same level of thinking because of this many great things happened like partnerships being created.

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Quote from: trollercoaster on May 28, 2016, 08:49:01 PM

Lmao socialism is ALL about stealing, you complete fucking imbecile.

LOL! Very well said sir.

Socialism needs to be laughed out of the room in the same way as religion.

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Lmao socialism is ALL about stealing, you complete fucking imbecile.

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Quote from: ingenuity on February 19, 2016, 05:54:33 PM

Socialism means stagnation and a standstill of innovation.

eh no,

innovation would be spread more freely, and instead of worrying about "how can i make a profit out of this, and how can i protect my ideas without having someone steal them" scientists and engineers would work together for the greater good.

socialism has its problems (mostly because of corruption and greed of the controlling parties, mind you. but it's still better than capitalism in many regards.

and standstill of innovation is absolutely not one of the problems of socialism.

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Socialism is far from being the key, and anyone who has actually taken a decent course in economics knows that it simply doesn't work.

Plus, in a capitalist system, there is far more innovation and people eager to seek higher educations where their work means that they do more and get paid better overall. In a proper socialist or communist society, mediocrity is rewarded, and the outliers are punished. Those with better educations or better and more advanced systems of working do more work yet receive roughly the same amount as everyone else, and the guy down the street giving out your bread gets maybe slightly less than someone with a Ph.D in astrophysics. In a pure socialist system, both would receive exactly the same amount.

Socialism and communism stagnate society over time, and merely drain the resources of the Earth and significantly slow down technological progress. Unless there are people (and a fair number at that) willing to receive a higher education and try to innovate (solely for the good of the state) and do more work than their comrades, socialism and communism being the only systems in the world would literally end up causing the extinction of the human race. At least with the desire to be better with capitalism, there is a higher chance of some sort of continuation of humanity.

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"Venezuela" is really all you need to know, just that one word, about Socialism.

Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money, as Margaret Thatcher once said (not exactly, but pretty close). Socialist systems tend towards larger government, and a large government in almost all cases works very poorly.

Even Socialist paradises like Sweden and France are having problems, as their .govs have no problems about letting in so many Muslim rapefugees...

And I will scream if I hear that term Democratic Socialist again, Vladimir Lenin invented that term, Bernie.

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Well, if you like slavery, you'll love socialism. Just because you think you are going to be the master holding the whip over everyone else, doesn't mean it is true and certainly doesn't make it moral.

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Socialism is key because without it you would not have any friends and I am sure that you would get fired at your job because you are not social.
Being social and interacting with people is so important these days.

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