Topic: Why Socialism is the key - page 5. (Read 33160 times)

Yes it does matter. Because your system can encourage consumerism or not. It can encourage people manipulation or not.
Free market without regulation encourages manipulation.

I`m not specifically a supporter of consumerism, that is just a byproduct of dumb people.

Yes i`m capitalist, but i havent changed my phone in 6 years, i dont give a crap about trends, those are only for dumb people.

So it's not my fault that a dumb person meets capitalism and reacts to it accordingly.

It's like if you get a caveman and send him into a supermarket, of course he will behave dumb.

So it doesnt matter what system you have if you have dumb people everywhere, but at least make sure that the system itself is not evil.

Your oxford definition fits exactly to gulags. Sorry but socialism is a mental ilness , or just plain evil people support it.

All the gulags and genocide that happened under those evil regimes is exactly the fruit of it.

People are dumb and support every kind of crazy idea: from UFO idiots ,to believers in shapeshifters, to ghost hunters, all kind of crazy people.

Socialists are the same kind of people.

Of course there was no corruption in science. You can't corrupt people who are already corrupted.

But you can make your whole population pay for it that's for sure!

Anyway, as long as you don't care seeing 80% of the next generation enable to get an education, I suppose capitalism is the best thing that can happen to you. You'll have cheap tv and food. And your new Iphone. What a glorious invention! True symbol of capitalism success! A useless 4 years late phone that is sold to everyone for 8 times the fabrication price.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH xD

Stop that! You going to kill me xD

You can't seriously be thinking this are you?

You can't have that amount of ignorance!

I'll try to help you. Even if you clearly don't deserve it.

Oxford definition of socialism:
A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Ok now try to explain me how USSR or Nazis were socialists.

The immensity of your ignorance is causing me physical pain.

Socialism was response from mass of people, unemployed poor and without hope. Same story was with "NAZY" after WW1, yes this is also (national) socialism, right wing.
I wonder which system will be best for American people after great economic collapse? When history repeat itself.
You are not aware how socialist movement was strong in US before WW2.

Let's also not forget the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party aka NAZI

Two sides of the same coin. Two wings of the same bird. However you want to say it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

Communism vs Nazism = Socialists with conflicting ideals. That's all.

Cause Soviet Union was socialist of course

Don't know. Maybe because it doesn't work? In which area is USA the first exactly? Appart from number of prisonners (because your glorious free market transformed prisons in a market like any other) and number of people who believe in angels? (because your glorious freedom allows sects to operate freely in the USA)

That is true, everythin in the soviet union that was invented, like half of the money was already stolen, so it could have been invented 10x faster in other places.

America kept up with many inventions since the 50's and there was 0 corruption because it was done from private money. But when it's done from public money, then usually half of it is stolen.

So that is a huge waste, and if you want to put watchdogs on the funds,then that costs you even more to police them.

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So why not give up this whole silly socialist ideas, and embrace private property 100%.

Yeah sure. It's all thanks to capitalism only. Socialism countries never invent anything! Look at France: this country never invented anything!

So the socialists are not globalists?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_International

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Besides capitalism  = evolution, human progress towards prosperity. If only socialists would let it happen, we would already be intergalactic.

There is a very important distinction with socialism the economic model and socialism the governing model. I think a world of economic socialism to a certain degree is a good thing without the corrupt-able government given too much control.

Socialism is by nature humane society. But those who become leaders soon establish themselves as dictators. Capitalism from start is unfair system, hidden dictatorship from certain power groups. Kapital don't like active participation only his purpose is gaining more value and in this task is merciless. This naturally lead to imperialism we called globalisation.
Capitalism and democracy have nothing common.
Democracy is a socialist game, totally furnished against freedom. The state always wins in every election.
Socialism is facing to the man and his progress and prosperity.
Capitalism only cares for money.

Wrong. I'll clarify for you. I said: "...Socialism is restricting or completely banning competition with the state services"

Socialist economies are not all identical. In most, private enterprise is still allowed to compete, however people that opt for the private services are still forced to pay for the public services through taxes.

You're limiting the market when you tax for things like healthcare, schools, etc. because it is less likely that people will be willing to get private healthcare or education when they're already forced to pay for the public offerings through taxes. These private services then become only available to the wealthy who can justify paying twice.

You can have your Socialist oriented businesses in a free market and we won't force you to pay for anything else. Free markets respect individual choice. Socialists on the other hand, insist that everyone pay for their schemes because they are so well intentioned. The individual is demonized and made out to be an ignorant, greedy, fool with no concern for his fellow man. Socialists always no best!

What? No! That's communism! Wtf are you talking about? Stop writing if you don't know what you're talking about!

Meh? Don't you know how to read?
Or at least nobody created another one. != So because there is none created that means that we should never try creating one

But hey, you keep saying shit so that's not really a surprise ^^

Lol. I love how you're so cocksure about this. Seems somewhat logical on the surface, I do agree. Socialism is a cute idea where those greedy capitalists aren't taking everything for themselves, right? Oddly, greed still exists even if you try and outlaw it. All you're doing in Socialism is restricting or completely banning competition with the state services. If the market (millions of individuals acting for their own self interests) isn't allowed to determine the natural price levels, then you're just giving that job to people who claim they know better than those individuals (centralizing the job of economic calculation). Being a person here discussing Bitcoin and decentralization, how the fuck do you not see that markets are decentralized and socialism is centralized? Communism just happens to be the most centralized form.


Have you ever heard of Cooperatives (Co-ops)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

This would be somewhat similar to what I believe you're proposing. Great I'm all for that! Co-ops have been around for probably 100 years, I honestly don't know. The fact is though, that they are not "crushing" private companies. Co-ops seem to do well enough and I'm happy that people have the choice. That's called the free market!



In a government run company they'll just keep propping it up with the use of tax dollars. It doesn't matter that economically speaking, it's a complete disaster. When you do that then of course you can keep your price low, but in the end you can't violate the laws of economics. People will just pay for it out of tax dollars. It's obfuscation and that's a classic strategy of Socialists, Environmentalists and the like. Quality wise you've got to be kidding if you can't understand how market competition improves quality! Look at Uber for example. Where I live we don't have Uber yet, but even the rumor that we will has been enough to get the local taxi cartels upping their game. Wow, all of a sudden they have taxi Apps. Funny how that works.

Wow that is ignorance. So because there is none created that means that we should never try creating one, that is what you are basically saying.

Imagine if Edison or Tesla would have said that when they invented stuff. If a lightbulb doesnt exist, it means we should not try inventing one, lets all use candlesticks forever.


But dying slowly and painfully in a gulag is much better?


Yes I did, read my previous posts.


IQ is predominantly hereditary, therefore genes are responsible for success and wealth in one's life.


I`m talking about INCOME TAX, which is not the same as CORPORATE TAX.

Corporations already barely pay 1-2%, while you and me and other poor folks are taxed 40-70% depending on country.

The food is taxed out from the mouth of your children.


Because there is nothing better than paradise gulag....

I don't know why people  are so scared from socialism?
Socialism have different forms and can be apply very successfully in every country who cares for its people.
I'm not for communism such was in Russia, but you must understand that many people and today in Russia believe this was best time for living.
Mild variants of socialism as in Scandinavia are a true example in what direction I need to watch.