Topic: Why Socialism is the key - page 3. (Read 33160 times)

You can tell your friends and family about Bitcoin and than they will also use it because they trust you and that is prefect for Bitcoin and you are making it also more popular.
So we have to promote it more also so we can make Bitcoin more popular and also more acceptable and so we can spend it more.

Hmm... No, that's socialism. It means people pay tax depending on their revenue. That's the base of socialism on the contrary!

Well, the best way to deal with this is to not make children. Cause all that won't really affect us, it will affect only the next generations.
And you know, what's funny is that all major extinctions until now have proved to be extremely positive. Without major extinctions we would have much less diversity in the current biosphere!

Well, that's a whole other topic of debate.  But, I would maintain that the extinction of any species negatively decreases the diversity of our planet in ways which are only just recently being understood.  It may prove to be a big mistake in earth's future developments to have been unsympathetic to the state of the planet's biosphere.  That's a major portion of the problem with today's society.  We are much more concerned with personal short term gains than the long term effects of our actions.  We may be killing our planet, but we don't care because we'll be long dead before the effects of our greed are realized.

Though I understand your point, there is still an amount of time from which nobody cares.
Otherwise should we all feel concerned about the genocide of the Neandertals? ^^

And, may I ask: what is the state of Julius Caesar's empire today?  That is exactly my point!  If society ceases to care about their social structure, then their social structure will decay as a result.

I just find it incredible how some people seems to really believe that "solutions can be found to educate the poors"...

No, or find a solution. Go on, try...

Regulation is not responsible for high price. You know what happens when you open a market and get rid of regulation? Price rises. That's exactly what's happening in whole Europe as we lower regulation. BEcause companies have no interest in lower prices, so they just get together and agree on a very high price that's all!

BElieving anything else is just denying reality...

What happened 200 years ago does matter because systems based on corruption are ultimately corrupt....just like logic which is based on unsound reasoning.  One who benefits from the rewards of theft must someday reap the consequences of their actions in return....Those people who were stolen from are still with us, even in the face of attempted genocides....so, will somebody care when they stand up to take back what's theirs?

Halving will be surely good this year as most of the bitcoiners are expecting the value to be hitting near $800 and even more, hoping bitcoin will cheer up all users and won't leave them in vain.

With talking and promoting you can indeed tell your friends to use them Bitcoin and that will be good because they are also going to trust you and that is quite nice.
We have to promote Bitcoin more also and that would be nice for you and Bitcoin itself.

I don't know what people think when they think about socialism. Probably they are scared of work camps and living in communities. But this is not true, this is propaganda. We can see many US movies from 80s about communist Russia and in every movie communists are bad and, more like heirs of Fascist..

If anything it burdens the state with that load of taxation..

Something which I dont think most people are willing to see a increase over.. vs capitalism you pay based on the bracket earned based on certain category youre suited.

Socialism is so important is this world getting to know new people and make your network even bigger. Without socialism most of us would not even have friends.
It is always good to getting to know new people because you will never know what that person can do for you.

for me socializing is the key to success because when we are socialising. we can be walktrought with someone thats not the same whith our standars. and also socializing is like being part of the 21st century.

I don't have the patience to explain how fractional reserve banking works.  I just assumed that it was an understood practice when I entered this discussion. Here is an animation that does a pretty good job of illustrating the process in an easy to understand format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM


Those who admire our Federal Reserve Banking system but hate the Internal Revenue Service would probably be surprised to know that the same group of bankers were behind the ratification of the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution (http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/1981/5/cj1n1-9.pdf) as were responsible for the creation of Fractional Reserve Banking (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/chapter-3).  Note the years they were signed into law, 1913.

I agree with most of what you're saying. The debt was never meant to be paid, nor will it ever be paid.

But the sinister part is that fiat money is highly centralized, the opposite of crypto-currencies. The currencies are left and trusted in the hands of government central banks who manipulate the supply and interest rates based on their own (Keynesian) ideas of how the economy should work. You can't just keep recklessly spending money and printing more of it without facing the consequences.

The best thing is that you can do is tell people or friends or family that you can easy use Bitcoin and that it is also very safe.
I hope later that more people will have some Bitcoin and that they are going to use it. That will be so nice later.

Let's first just take your sentence and try to get you to reach a conclusion. "All of the money we work for is backed by a debt that will never be paid." Let's just assume everything about that is true. So what? What exactly do you think that means? How do you think that makes you an indentured servant? Do you think the job you work is because of the central bank and not because you need to perform something of value to the economy in order to eat? Are you under the delusion that you work directly for the central bank, and that you don't have a choice in the matter? Do you think this "debt" means the money in your wallet is owed to someone, or is going to be called in to pay the "debt?" Do you think that the central bank issuing fiat is the reason you have to work or that the work you do is to pay back the central bank's debt? You must think these things, otherwise I can't wrap my head around what you think is the implication for this statement.

Now let's follow through on your premise to a conclusion. Money is issued by debt that cannot be repaid, according to you. So I guess first you're assuming that it needs to be, which isn't true. Fiat is issued through debt, and if they the issuer wanted to collect on the debt, all they'd be doing is devaluing the money they collect. Fiat money is a zero sum game because it is simply a representation of the value of the goods and services in an economy. So it doesn't matter how much money is issued, it doesn't change how much goods and services exist in an economy. If the "debt" can never be repaid, it doesn't matter. Fiat is only representative value anyway. So call in all the loans on the "debt," all the issuer would be doing is collecting worthless paper, and the more they collect the more worthless it is. This is why the debt never has to be repaid, or actually, can't be, and why it doesn't mean anything sinister for the economic system. Goods and services have value independent of fiat. Fiat doesn't give goods and services value, goods and services give fiat value, because fiat is just the means of trade.

socialism is the key because people cannot life lonely,i saw on other thread that uploaded link about video on japan,and that video shown us how socialsm in japan built from child,from elementary school,that look awesome,i forget on what thread it was.

Ahah! I like this illustration ^^