Topic: Why Socialism is the key - page 7. (Read 33165 times)

I`m sure the forced taxation with the threat of jailtime is exactly the definition of armed robbery or extorsion.

this whole discussion has so many fallacies that it's pointless.
people have been so poisoned by america's view of "socialism" that it has become a gigantic false dichotomy.

ownership of property has been declared as theft therefore capitalism is theft.
taxes and re-distribution has been declared as theft therefore socialism is theft.

you're all wrong.



if you want a serious conversation,
you need to consider how a community could exist without either.

Free education: Steal from educated parents and give it to uneducated ones who did poor choices in their lives because they are dumb

Who said no police? You can still have police run privately like a corporation.

Basic policing like keeping the streets clean and emergency 911 calls can be easily done (and possibly more efficiently) than government police.

You know in Japan the subway system has a maximum 1 minute delay and its run by private corps.

When I was last time in government subway they always have a 10-15 minute delay.

So you have to admit that private stuff is managed better, and when you call the cops because there is somebody in your house, then its a matter of life and death if they delay 15 minutes because they forgot to buy their donuts.

And for personal protection, there are always security guards and security services available, you just cant afford it currently, but with low or no taxes I guarantee you it would be as cheap as buying a hamburger.

I highly doubt you read my posts. If you did, it's clear you didn't think very hard afterwards.


I think people should be educated too. In fact, probably 99% of people would share out opinion on education. Would you agree?

If that's the general consensus throughout the population, then doesn't it seem probable that this opinion would translate into market demand? Surely if 99% of everybody wants education than there will be education provided in a free market. The reason that education would be provided is because EVERYONE would gladly pay for it and so it's a business opportunity. People don't need to give control of the education system to a government monopoly. Thankfully, in most places we still have private schools, however even though I might choose to use a private school, unfortunately I'm still forced to pay for the public education system through taxes.

All you are really implying with your above comment, is that in your mind, YOU can't think of any possible way to educate people without the government forcing them to pay taxes and then giving them an education. That's just intellectual laziness, sorry.

I'm showing you guys the logic and you're saying stupid shit like, "But you all freaks believe that in some kind of magical way everything will work out? "

There is no magic dumbass. Socialists just think they know what's best for everyone else and because they have such good intentions, that means it's morally acceptable to use taxes and force people to pay for their great ideas. Good ideas don't require force. Do I need to tax you to make sure you feed yourself? Some extreme Socialist would probably say yes to that too!

Not those things. Grab a book.

No, nobody is robbing anyone as a function of normal contemporary socialist policy.

What I meant that you didn't understand is that property is unique to the human species. Man is the first species that has had the capacity to understand the concept of property, therefore is the first species on Earth capable of owning property. The Earth is therefore man's for the taking. Wealth is not assigned by position of birth in non-caste systems. In America, you have the ability to move up. More can be done to lessen the obstacles, but trying to create equality through the use of force is immoral. When socialism can achieve its ends without the use of force, it will be a morally acceptable system, but of course, it cannot by its very nature.