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Quote from: wiss19 on December 27, 2022, 10:38:21 AM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on December 27, 2022, 03:49:58 AM

I think people don't easily abandon their traditions. Gambling businesses can't risk their chance by stopping games like dice. New games are gonna take lot more time for people to be used to. I believe gamblers are not very patient people in general. They want quick and easily understandable games. Skill based gambling will always be niche genre I suppose. I know some people want it but its always be minority.

And I don't think casino business is a tradition. If the casino is already profitable then there is no need to drop the in-demand games but they can just add games if they want to. Those people that look for those games will then came there to play it. There is no risk of doing this but the only thing that they will get are benefits.

Those game that the OP wants are not a new game so a lot of people knows to play them but it may take time to master some cool moves or combos. This is optional though and mostly done by someone who wants to enjoy the game to their fullest and also to secure a win and to make money. It was still worth it.

because they must not be contented , serving gamblers isn't that easy mate , there are several ways to attract gamblers and we need to understand because their demand must be adopted or they will leave you and find other interesting sites.

but OP wanted to see gambling ways that does not take the interests of gambling provider .

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Whole question actually is absurd. Where have you seen Tekken in a browser? You might somehow fight PS1 emulator, that might run this game. But it will be glitchy. Besides, this will be not an original Tekken game. I doubt that any casino will allow to use some third party software. I think their licences wont allow that.

If someone wants to have such games - make a small tournament at home wiilth buy-ins and enjoy. None of seriour casinos would not bother to contact console game devs, to order then to create special gambling version of the games, just to satisfy few tens gamblers needs.

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Quote from: Riocasino on December 20, 2022, 10:14:00 AM

The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.

For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.

Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.

The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.

- You mean PvP, I haven't seen anything like that in cryptocurrency gambling PvP games, and it doesn't seem like gambling casinos have focused on it in the few years they've been in this industry.

But hopefully, they will pay attention to it so that there is at least some change in the field of gambling in the crypto world as well. It seems exciting that this is happening here. Especially since I'm a Tekken gamer, hehe

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Quote from: Erumo on December 27, 2022, 09:15:14 AM

Cool games are for cool kids only. Casinos are more for an adults. Casinos will never have console or PC games among betting ones. The answer is simple - there is never a big audience for that. You wont find a lot of gambler that will want to place bets on such games.

Do remember, adults will die and the cool kids will be the ones left. Cheesy

We are already witnessing changes in the sports and casino gambling industry. You do know we have e-sports (electronic sports) now and electronic leagues are also populated by many fans. DOTA, CSGO, and more.

I won't say that traditional sports and casino games will be forgotten but it's not bad to add more flavors when new gamblers are looking for them.
Way, way, back, PC games gambling is only done by physical betting using hard cash PVP, most of the time only players are the ones making the bet before they start the game. Now, even fans can do it by visiting gambling sites that made it available.

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Quote from: wiss19 on December 27, 2022, 10:38:21 AM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on December 27, 2022, 03:49:58 AM

I think people don't easily abandon their traditions. Gambling businesses can't risk their chance by stopping games like dice. New games are gonna take lot more time for people to be used to. I believe gamblers are not very patient people in general. They want quick and easily understandable games. Skill based gambling will always be niche genre I suppose. I know some people want it but its always be minority.

And I don't think casino business is a tradition. If the casino is already profitable then there is no need to drop the in-demand games but they can just add games if they want to. Those people that look for those games will then came there to play it. There is no risk of doing this but the only thing that they will get are benefits.

Those game that the OP wants are not a new game so a lot of people knows to play them but it may take time to master some cool moves or combos. This is optional though and mostly done by someone who wants to enjoy the game to their fullest and also to secure a win and to make money. It was still worth it.

Gamblers want to play gambling in games that they know and have often played in those games so far. They tend to stay in the game for some time and they may move on to other games. But still, they moved on to the game they had been playing before.

But there are also types of gamblers who are always curious about other games, especially those they have never played. And sometimes, they spend time figuring out what it's like to play the game. And casinos know this very well, which is why they are always adding new games to their casinos.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on December 27, 2022, 09:11:08 AM

Bots are everywhere, but those who have been playing for a long time can tell if their opponent is using a bot or cheaters. Devs are attempting to prevent the use of third-party software in games, but most hackers typically improve their bots each time the devs patch them. This is in all of the games, not just Tekken. This would be a huge problem if this was implemented in a casino, but I'm sure those game developers are already working to fix this cheating, and we still wouldn't see it integrated in the casino right now, but it would be in the future.

There are simply too many ways to cheat that it will be impossible for the developers of such project to ever create a platform that is free of cheating, in fact even right now gamers are not happy with the matching algorithms that exist already as it is not rare for a complete newbie to face an expert player and get destroyed in seconds, and if this creates dissatisfaction already things will be way worse when there is money on the line and cheaters find a way to milk the system on their favor.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on December 27, 2022, 03:49:58 AM

I think people don't easily abandon their traditions. Gambling businesses can't risk their chance by stopping games like dice. New games are gonna take lot more time for people to be used to. I believe gamblers are not very patient people in general. They want quick and easily understandable games. Skill based gambling will always be niche genre I suppose. I know some people want it but its always be minority.

And I don't think casino business is a tradition. If the casino is already profitable then there is no need to drop the in-demand games but they can just add games if they want to. Those people that look for those games will then came there to play it. There is no risk of doing this but the only thing that they will get are benefits.

Those game that the OP wants are not a new game so a lot of people knows to play them but it may take time to master some cool moves or combos. This is optional though and mostly done by someone who wants to enjoy the game to their fullest and also to secure a win and to make money. It was still worth it.

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Cool games are for cool kids only. Casinos are more for an adults. Casinos will never have console or PC games among betting ones. The answer is simple - there is never a big audience for that. You wont find a lot of gambler that will want to place bets on such games.

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Quote from: bittraffic on December 27, 2022, 08:14:07 AM

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I tried googling whether there is a bot for Tekken. Yep, there are. The game supposes to be fun back in 2000, I was playing this game on PS.
Are casinos not able to recognize it when a user is using a bot to fight another player?

With Chess, a person who had been playing Chess even on the app will see how fast a bot will respond to every move you make. AI has it already pre-programmed whichever you chose to move.

Bots are everywhere, but those who have been playing for a long time can tell if their opponent is using a bot or cheaters. Devs are attempting to prevent the use of third-party software in games, but most hackers typically improve their bots each time the devs patch them. This is in all of the games, not just Tekken. This would be a huge problem if this was implemented in a casino, but I'm sure those game developers are already working to fix this cheating, and we still wouldn't see it integrated in the casino right now, but it would be in the future.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on December 23, 2022, 06:51:28 PM

OP have clearly mentioned about the games that needs to be played for a long to master it. To master the game playing against other players it takes time and continued betting would slow down the gaming process. It is always good to spend on games like chess, if someone is interested into player vs player games.

Chess is more vulnerable to cheating. Hard to trust if we are against a real player on Chess online. The reason maybe we can't find such games on gambling site platforms currently. The same goes for PvP games like OP is referring to.

Casino games don't cover the PvP games. It's not even a considered innovation for usual casinos to add that games. There are already lots of casino games that users can enjoy compared to risking money on skilled games like that.

PVP games like that mostly can be found in tournaments. OP can try looking at that if there's available, and participate there instead.

I am a Chess player and I cannot deny that it is one of the games that I am most passionate about, when I play on any platform it is incredible but I lose more and more, I don't know if I am facing an AI or who knows what, because the Movements are very fast and really these things can sometimes be confusing, I have some idea of saying it because if it is not, then I have faced pure masters, but I doubt it, however, chess in a casino would be something very interesting, I would like to see it and see how they can silver it, I think it is a very good option for some players who are looking for this type of entertainment.

It would be an interesting thing if casinos will add more skill-based games on their platform, however, it is highly unlikely to happen especially for current gambling platforms right now. Most of the casinos have on their platform games that most based-on luck and then outsource these games to certain providers. I doubt that they'll shift on or even add new games that are based on skills such as PVP games and Chess.

There are a lot of aspects that need to be checked at for these games to be viable to be considered as gambling games such as the mechanics and how they'll be able to avoid cheats like AI or advance bots that will be playing the games. I heard that there are a lot of common bots used in chess and some exploits in PVP games. Also, most PVP has different characters where one can be too OP once a player gets used to it. If OP, really want to bet his money and gamble on these types of games, he can just go to some conventions and tournaments where they can bet on the game.

I tried googling whether there is a bot for Tekken. Yep, there are. The game supposes to be fun back in 2000, I was playing this game on PS.
Are casinos not able to recognize it when a user is using a bot to fight another player?

With Chess, a person who had been playing Chess even on the app will see how fast a bot will respond to every move you make. AI has it already pre-programmed whichever you chose to move.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on December 27, 2022, 03:49:58 AM

I think people don't easily abandon their traditions. Gambling businesses can't risk their chance by stopping games like dice. New games are gonna take lot more time for people to be used to. I believe gamblers are not very patient people in general. They want quick and easily understandable games. Skill based gambling will always be niche genre I suppose. I know some people want it but its always be minority.

They not taken those traditional games because for sure other old school gamblers will still play this since there are people doesn't want to play they are not familiar on. But maybe in future they can add this option especially if p2p gaming will boom and more people engaging then suggesting it to include on betting option. For now maybe we can only enjoy it on Esport scene or on our console since no gambling site at the moment try to add something like this since maybe they find it expensive to be included especially you need to have a deal with those people who develop the game.

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Quote from: Yatsan on December 20, 2022, 10:52:03 AM

Ask or wait for someone to organize it then. If it is esports betting then, unfortunately, not all online or ny kind of gme would be featured. Games on esports betting are mostly ones with huge community of players. If I'm not mistaken, p2p games such as tekken and mortal combat, has not that large community of players; mostly are the ones with consoles at home. Unlike with MOBA type of game or multiplayer games which somehow has a bigger fan base. I'm not quite sure why. I've experienced playing 'versus' games and they re fun to play but ofcourse 'majority' would be more considered. If you really like to, you may find fellow bettors on a p2p tournament to somehow be ble to bet on it. But it would be hard to assume it on a bigger 'stage' on this industry, atleast for now.

I agree with this.

In p2p like tekken and mortal combat, there's a console needed to be able to play unlike other casinos games out there that are easily accessible by anyone. While there could be games that could cater p2p through website and application on devices, the community of p2p isn't really that big compared to other games that are existing such as casino related games that are based on luck and/or strategy, and sports betting.

The majority should really be considered for something to become successful because before it can be adopted, it needs to have many patronage so that casinos would feel the need of having it in their platform.

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Gambling industry is oversaturated with thousands of slot games, identical table card games and etc. Because of "to many" it is hard to impress a gambler. That is why what ever new is released, it quickly becomes boring or "not cool".

I have noticed that OP complaining about no PVP games in gambling. Actually there are a lot of them. They are usually situated in betting sections, and are called esports or something like that. If you did not find Tekken or Mortal Kombat there, that only means that people are not interested in gambling with this games for 24/7, and tournaments are more than enough for them. If you want to challenge someone a game of Tekken a place a bet on a result, why not then go to "console cafe" and challenge someone there?

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I think people don't easily abandon their traditions. Gambling businesses can't risk their chance by stopping games like dice. New games are gonna take lot more time for people to be used to. I believe gamblers are not very patient people in general. They want quick and easily understandable games. Skill based gambling will always be niche genre I suppose. I know some people want it but its always be minority.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 25, 2022, 01:03:55 PM

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Quote from: Vaskiy on December 23, 2022, 06:51:28 PM

OP have clearly mentioned about the games that needs to be played for a long to master it. To master the game playing against other players it takes time and continued betting would slow down the gaming process. It is always good to spend on games like chess, if someone is interested into player vs player games.

Chess is more vulnerable to cheating. Hard to trust if we are against a real player on Chess online. The reason maybe we can't find such games on gambling site platforms currently. The same goes for PvP games like OP is referring to.

Casino games don't cover the PvP games. It's not even a considered innovation for usual casinos to add that games. There are already lots of casino games that users can enjoy compared to risking money on skilled games like that.

PVP games like that mostly can be found in tournaments. OP can try looking at that if there's available, and participate there instead.

I am a Chess player and I cannot deny that it is one of the games that I am most passionate about, when I play on any platform it is incredible but I lose more and more, I don't know if I am facing an AI or who knows what, because the Movements are very fast and really these things can sometimes be confusing, I have some idea of saying it because if it is not, then I have faced pure masters, but I doubt it, however, chess in a casino would be something very interesting, I would like to see it and see how they can silver it, I think it is a very good option for some players who are looking for this type of entertainment.

It would be an interesting thing if casinos will add more skill-based games on their platform, however, it is highly unlikely to happen especially for current gambling platforms right now. Most of the casinos have on their platform games that most based-on luck and then outsource these games to certain providers. I doubt that they'll shift on or even add new games that are based on skills such as PVP games and Chess.

There are a lot of aspects that need to be checked at for these games to be viable to be considered as gambling games such as the mechanics and how they'll be able to avoid cheats like AI or advance bots that will be playing the games. I heard that there are a lot of common bots used in chess and some exploits in PVP games. Also, most PVP has different characters where one can be too OP once a player gets used to it. If OP, really want to bet his money and gamble on these types of games, he can just go to some conventions and tournaments where they can bet on the game.

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Quote from: Reid on December 23, 2022, 11:00:44 PM

I think it's a cool idea for a cool game. Bookies who are promoting PVP type of games are the ones handling this kind of games but it doesn't have that much support yet. Most gamblers will choose sports gambling 1 versus 1 or team versus team rather than console games.
Before, there were tournaments being held for console fighting games but now they are not that popular anymore. So, this is going to be a problem if you are running a business. You know they need money flowing and there's little on that.

There are still LAN parties gaming events being organized and such held with IEM being a huge one in the EU and there are sites where you can bet on participants but I haven't heard of such events organized purely for gambling where you are paired with someone and put money on the table, the way poker tournaments are held.
Online it's almost impossible to run these things because people cheat too much and there's no way to prevent it. Big tournaments are always live and you are being watched.

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Quote from: Riocasino on December 20, 2022, 10:14:00 AM

The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.

For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.

Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.

The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.

Yes, it would be interesting to look at the implementation of this kind of game online, it's one thing to bet on e-sport yourself to participate in the Tekken ira or something like that, or you can just play in the emulator, without betting https://emulatorgames.online/games/ps1/tekken-3

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Quote from: goinmerry on December 24, 2022, 05:59:42 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on December 23, 2022, 06:51:28 PM

OP have clearly mentioned about the games that needs to be played for a long to master it. To master the game playing against other players it takes time and continued betting would slow down the gaming process. It is always good to spend on games like chess, if someone is interested into player vs player games.

Chess is more vulnerable to cheating. Hard to trust if we are against a real player on Chess online. The reason maybe we can't find such games on gambling site platforms currently. The same goes for PvP games like OP is referring to.

Casino games don't cover the PvP games. It's not even a considered innovation for usual casinos to add that games. There are already lots of casino games that users can enjoy compared to risking money on skilled games like that.

PVP games like that mostly can be found in tournaments. OP can try looking at that if there's available, and participate there instead.

I am a Chess player and I cannot deny that it is one of the games that I am most passionate about, when I play on any platform it is incredible but I lose more and more, I don't know if I am facing an AI or who knows what, because the Movements are very fast and really these things can sometimes be confusing, I have some idea of saying it because if it is not, then I have faced pure masters, but I doubt it, however, chess in a casino would be something very interesting, I I would like to see it and see how they can silver it, I think it is a very good option for some players who are looking for this type of entertainment.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on December 23, 2022, 06:51:28 PM

OP have clearly mentioned about the games that needs to be played for a long to master it. To master the game playing against other players it takes time and continued betting would slow down the gaming process. It is always good to spend on games like chess, if someone is interested into player vs player games.

Chess is more vulnerable to cheating. Hard to trust if we are against a real player on Chess online. The reason maybe we can't find such games on gambling site platforms currently. The same goes for PvP games like OP is referring to.

Casino games don't cover the PvP games. It's not even a considered innovation for usual casinos to add that games. There are already lots of casino games that users can enjoy compared to risking money on skilled games like that.

PVP games like that mostly can be found in tournaments. OP can try looking at that if there's available, and participate there instead.

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Probably such features would not be implemented in regular video games because they are not only played by adults, but also by children. And that could lead to even more addiction. I'm sure such games won't be approved by x-box or PlayStation. About the regular casino games, probably people are used to the classics, so fighting for money in the browser is not popular, but maybe that will change in the future.

Maybe if implemented into gambling, it will only attract gamblers while the young generation under 17 years can not play in the casino and are very happy to play those games on PlayStation or X-Box. And it will limit the number of players playing the game so maybe the profit to the casino is not as much as other gambling games. But I don't know. The casino may create a new game inspired by the games on PlayStation or X-Box. So let's wait for technological developments in this gambling sector.

Probably with technology will not be difficult and most likely it is not difficult to implement in already ready games. But it seems to me that this will be an additional reason for cheating. For example, a player can bet against himself and lose on purpose. If even in soccer rigged matches occur, then in computer games it is much easier to do.

It won't be easy for the average person who doesn't play the game much but knows the game because they don't know how to cheat the game. But casinos will not try to integrate something that can trigger cheating on their premises unless they have ensured everything is running well and no one will cheat, even if that is not guaranteed. Or maybe implementing such technology is still not possible for casinos so they would rather have games that many gamblers are used to playing. One day when the gambling industry grows even more rapidly, we will see that change.

Cheating would really be a problem since they are using third-party on this to connect to the games. We all know that in games there are a lot of cheaters so probably it would be prone to cheating and this is difficult to prevent as most of the game developers are trying to counter this but still, cheaters still exist. Though if most of the PVP games like tekken or mortal combat, cheating is difficult and also easily noticed so it would be nice to be integrated it soon.

Maybe they still need time to be fully integrated into their casino or they are waiting for a new trend in the gambling business so they are ready to release the PVP game. Usually, if they launch something along with an ongoing trend, they can get a nice income because they have something new that people want, especially if they have a lot of members who will spread the word about the update.

I am sure that when one casino will roll out this a lot of casinos will follow since if there are new trends others will follow so that they can join the trend and attract customers which are also we as a gambler is happy about it since we can choose what is the best casino to play and reputable one. Though for now, I haven't heard of this kind of game rolling out (or I just didn't notice it) so the possibility on this is it will take a few years or more to see this.

Yes, a new trend will certainly trigger other casinos to follow it and try to implement it into the casino. And if it is implemented in a trusted casino, it will make the customers happy and play there. But if the technology is sufficient in the next year, it could be launched soon and the new trend will start so more users will try it, especially gamers who are always enthusiastic about playing games like that. This, of course, will increase the popularity of online casinos because they also support gamers.

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