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Quote from: l99l on October 16, 2024, 09:50:22 AM

Elon Musk recently introduced his new toys, sorry robots. In that show, they showed that robots help people, serve people and dance to entertain people.
Artificial intelligence is very advanced, it is doubtful whether there are enough resources for mass production, it will only appeal to a certain segment.
I think that these robots will make people even lazier.
As long as people want, they will continue to create value and contribute to the ecosystem with their creativity, so it will not be a problem for them to take some of people's jobs, this is just my thought for now.

You can call them toys. They weren't AI, they were remotely operated, so nothing new under the sun there.

But AI will definitely take jobs at the future. Real problem it's not if people "contribute", but if anyone needs their contribution, or values it. And how is economy prepared for that shift, if manual labor or other human work is not needed. And if we still live under capitalism then, how if that income being shared. Where would you even get money from if everything is done better and more accurate by AI.

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The invention of Ai has made life easier in many ways, we can now do things faster and more efficiently. There's a possibility that Ai can take over a lot of jobs in the future. Right now Ai's are now used for software development and graphic design, does this mean that those that are professionals in this would lose their jobs soon? It's best to always learn valuable skills that would always require human efforts. There's no way AI can make the world worse, instead it's only going to make the world better. Centuries ago creating something that could fly was considered to be a myth or dangerous but it actually exists now, development changes will always occur in the world.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 30, 2024, 06:07:39 AM

I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated[/url], I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.

AI is the latest buzzword and every single company wants to be seen doing it. Like the restaurant example you found, there is a lot of money to be made if you can fake the amount of AI used by your systems and no doubt that it is being abused by a lot of business owners. Just like blockchain was the hype word of the moment a few years ago, it has pivoted to AI and it can bring in a lot of outside investment if you can give the illusion that you are someway connected to this most cutting edge technology. There are also many different ways to spin it and even the most loose connection to artificial intelligence, like running some sort of algorithm, can sometimes be extrapolated far beyond it's current intended meaning.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 30, 2024, 06:07:39 AM

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers.

I do think this may pose a threat to workers. Historically, as technology has improved, the skill level needed to be productive in the economy has slowly increased. (e.g. needing to be able to operate a computer for office jobs) This hasn't previously been a problem, but if in the future one does have to be knowledgeable in complicated automated systems in order to not be replaceable by a machine, this may eventually lead to lots of unemployment. It probably won't happen any time soon, however, as AI and automation still have a long way to go before being absolutely better than a human, but it is definitely a possibility. However, this automation will also end up dramatically bringing prices down and making the world more efficient, meaning that people will still have access to basic services and necessities.

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Quote from: l99l on October 16, 2024, 09:50:22 AM

Elon Musk recently introduced his new toys, sorry robots. In that show, they showed that robots help people, serve people and dance to entertain people.
Artificial intelligence is very advanced, it is doubtful whether there are enough resources for mass production, it will only appeal to a certain segment.

No matter how much a robot can work alongside humans, humans will be required to operate the robot. However, if artificial intelligence becomes more widespread, the pressure on human work will surely decrease. Yes, recently large companies, hotels, restaurants, car parking, etc. are seeing the widespread use of artificial intelligence. However, there is widespread discussion and criticism in expert circles whether these will be good for people.

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 16, 2024, 03:12:52 AM

...AI isnt taking jobs, it optimizes work and employers get rid of ineffective employees, but people boost that as a problem and complain about it.

It would take us to discuss and define what an "ineffective worker" is though. Because, in the way I see it bosses or those who own companies will never cease to demand more productivity from their employers, not matter how much they do in the day and how little (when compared to other markets in different countries) they are being paid. Ideally, bosses will want to have machines which do all the work done by a team of people, in a fraction of the time and using as little energy as possible. As Artificial intelligence becomes better at generating images and doing some edition work in less than a minute, then suddenly professional editors and artists who needed a couple of hours to do the same work are rendered "ineffective".
It is an adjective one needs to be very careful with, human beings are not machines and comparing both is societaly dangerous, but it is what it is going on right now.

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Quote from: l99l on October 16, 2024, 09:50:22 AM

Elon Musk recently introduced his new toys, sorry robots. In that show, they showed that robots help people, serve people and dance to entertain people.
Artificial intelligence is very advanced, it is doubtful whether there are enough resources for mass production, it will only appeal to a certain segment.
I think that these robots will make people even lazier.
As long as people want, they will continue to create value and contribute to the ecosystem with their creativity, so it will not be a problem for them to take some of people's jobs, this is just my thought for now.

Oh well, with that creative mindset and the help of the technology it's no longer impossible that something new will be introduced especially in terms of aiding human workforce, it's an ongoing process from those big companies who can afford to pay a one time deal that consist of a very huge amount but comparing to a total cost of manpower that they'll be able to save is much higher.

With the unstoppable human creativity there's always a way when ideas brought out it can possibly done and make a change either for betterment or on the side.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 30, 2024, 06:07:39 AM

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

Automated machines have been existing for long now, most big companies no long see the need to employ crowds in other for production to continue. They let the machines handle the bigger jobs which they know will cost them to pay a whole lot of workers. And since all the need to do for the machine is a one time payment and then continues maintenance, they just make the hard decisions even though it affects a lot of people. Ai will take over many jobs, no doubt about that. But then the rate of unemployment I'm the world will be on a hike and many self employed individuals will start to emerge into the world market.

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Elon Musk recently introduced his new toys, sorry robots. In that show, they showed that robots help people, serve people and dance to entertain people.
Artificial intelligence is very advanced, it is doubtful whether there are enough resources for mass production, it will only appeal to a certain segment.
I think that these robots will make people even lazier.
As long as people want, they will continue to create value and contribute to the ecosystem with their creativity, so it will not be a problem for them to take some of people's jobs, this is just my thought for now.

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Quote from: Hispo on October 15, 2024, 05:40:22 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on October 15, 2024, 03:59:38 AM

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I will say that AI wont take every persons jobs, it will be an addition to a human, but in some sectors people will get fired. Where it were necessary 3 persons to do the task, it will be done by 1 human and AI. And such simplified process must make service/production cost lower, which means with time we will get service and item price decrease.

In the graph it says the jobs of bartenders and waiters/waitresses are at risk. It sounds like a no-brainer, but to me whoever they made this study should also consider the fact human interaction is very appreciated in business like restaurants and bars, some people come back to certain bars and restaurants just because people attending and taking care of customers are very professional and friendly. I am afraid some people could realize soon it is not the same to have a friendly and kind person catering your drinks than a robot, which does not even acknowledge ones comments or talk.
Hopefully, people will still go to bars which hire people to work as bartenders and waiters.

Sometimes I believe that this thread, that AI is going to take jobs, is artificial. We live in digital world. Everyone wants to work behind PC, with technologies and etc. Nobody wants to work with hands, outside, get exhaust and etc. Everyone wants a cozy chair, monitor and a cup of coffee. To bad we have more people who have chosen such kind of work than tasks and jobs needs to be done. No wonder that one day someone figured out to optimize expenses and get rid of those extra workers who do same task that require one person to do. For example a company dont need 5 employees in staff to monitor printer cartridges and change them. One person is enough to do that. AI isnt taking jobs, it optimizes work and employers get rid of ineffective employees, but people boost that as a problem and complain about it.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on October 15, 2024, 05:59:41 PM

As technology is being improved and modeled day by day, it is natural that people will become machine-dependent and the impact on human labor will be reduced to some extent.
Artificial intelligence is basically the advent of modernity where some traditional methods will be changed and new machine-based methods will emerge. In this case, if 70% of labor is based in an industry, if artificial intelligence or the robot is changed, it will certainly come down to 50% instead of 70% of labor. It is normal. So as machine based technology comes the pressure on labor based work will decrease.

Well, no one argues with this fact. We are discussing something a little different here, if you haven't noticed. We are not talking about making human labor easier, but about replacing humans with robots, AI, or all of them together in various modifications and variations.

Isn't it necessary to create new workplaces where human labor will not be replaced by the machine technologies of the modern world? Yes, most likely, this has become a necessity, since a huge number of people need to be employed after they are fired.

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Quote from: Xcode7 on October 13, 2024, 02:28:28 AM

As if there is no other choice for it, indeed in this advanced era we must be able to adjust or place ourselves among technological advances so that we are not left behind.
It cannot be denied that there are so many technological advances that make things easier for humans and therefore we must be able to take advantage of it, not stop it, we try to adapt and learn and then change the mindset that it was threatening to become an advantage in ourselves to make everything easier, I think that is not a choice but a necessity.

There is no other choice but to follow the flow of technological developments and allowing ourselves to think narrowly will only make us lag behind. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, depending on how we adapt and utilize technology as a means to make money. Using energy in working does not always have a chance because humans will get older and older so that health will be disturbed and we will become less productive.

Quote from: HelliumZ on October 15, 2024, 05:59:41 PM

As technology is being improved and modeled day by day, it is natural that people will become machine-dependent and the impact on human labor will be reduced to some extent.
Artificial intelligence is basically the advent of modernity where some traditional methods will be changed and new machine-based methods will emerge. In this case, if 70% of labor is based in an industry, if artificial intelligence or the robot is changed, it will certainly come down to 50% instead of 70% of labor. It is normal. So as machine based technology comes the pressure on labor based work will decrease.

If technology can be improved why don't humans think much better and isn't technology created by humans. Not all jobs will depend on machines because humans are needed as people who operate them even though the pressure in this case is great and in the industry machines are one of the tools used to work and they are controlled by humans. Humans must be able to adapt to everything that will happen in the future because humans are given the mind to think while machines or the like do not have that.

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on October 11, 2024, 11:04:39 PM

Those who create robots are only a matter of business in terms of making big profits, so why don't we try to take advantage of this sophistication to make money. What needs to be remembered is that there is no way to limit the sophistication of increasingly developing technology and all that needs to be done is to try to adapt and use it to be more profitable.

Indeed, what else can we do but adapt to the new technological reality? I am not one of those people who are against the emergence of something more modern and progressive, including new technologies. Why become a recluse when there is such a wonderful world around, full of all sorts of resources and pleasure. Approach the issue correctly and the deed is done. No need to resist. You should go with the flow.

As technology is being improved and modeled day by day, it is natural that people will become machine-dependent and the impact on human labor will be reduced to some extent.
Artificial intelligence is basically the advent of modernity where some traditional methods will be changed and new machine-based methods will emerge. In this case, if 70% of labor is based in an industry, if artificial intelligence or the robot is changed, it will certainly come down to 50% instead of 70% of labor. It is normal. So as machine based technology comes the pressure on labor based work will decrease.

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 15, 2024, 03:59:38 AM

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I will say that AI wont take every persons jobs, it will be an addition to a human, but in some sectors people will get fired. Where it were necessary 3 persons to do the task, it will be done by 1 human and AI. And such simplified process must make service/production cost lower, which means with time we will get service and item price decrease.

In the graph it says the jobs of bartenders and waiters/waitresses are at risk. It sounds like a no-brainer, but to me whoever they made this study should also consider the fact human interaction is very appreciated in business like restaurants and bars, some people come back to certain bars and restaurants just because people attending and taking care of customers are very professional and friendly. I am afraid some people could realize soon it is not the same to have a friendly and kind person catering your drinks than a robot, which does not even acknowledge ones comments or talk.
Hopefully, people will still go to bars which hire people to work as bartenders and waiters.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 30, 2024, 06:07:39 AM

I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.

People will see it as a big clash to workforce. But then it’s just about making life easier and better. People who will be affected by the revolution of AI are the ones who aren’t exposed, those who are limited by their own abilities. Those who feels it’s not necessary to adapt to the new revolution.
Before now was the man power revolution when people depended on human strength. Then moved to machinery revolution. The introduction of machines. Now we’re in a new revolution. The introduction of AI. Same way people adapt to the past revolutions same way they will adapt to the new revolutions. Humans ability can never be irrelevant in the world. So definitely new jobs will be introduced in to the workspace. People have to learn new skills and be ready to adapt to the new revolution.

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Quote from: GigaBit on October 13, 2024, 02:30:12 PM

Nowadays, AI tools are so advanced that they can easily present any difficult task to easy to the users. People are now eager to use this AI for every purpose. They use AI accordingly depending on their actions. However, when a businessman gets the opportunity to use this AI, he will definitely try to use it to reduce the cost of his business, so if the employee is laid off from an organization, the businessmen will benefit.

We can definitely say that the use of this AI is going to have a big impact on human resources. Just like humans, any task can be done so perfectly by these AI that there may be a shortage of labor resources. And if it continues in this way, at some point it can create unexpected situation. Considering the impact of AI, a survey found that 69 percent of graduates think AI will take their jobs.

AI is now very reliable for all kinds of tasks. Starting from cashiers, drivers, now everywhere there is an opportunity to use this. However, many believe that using AI will also have some disadvantages. Many people will use it for evil, especially starting from giving wrong information. In order to avoid this situation in general, there is no alternative to develop ourselves competitively.

Cashiers are on the top of the list, but do we actually have many of them today? Before AI became so popular, we already had self-service cash desks. I cant imagine how cleaners will be replaced by AI. I have robot vacuum cleaner and rooms are still isnt as clear as I would have used a default vacuum cleaner. That are only example, and we develop that idea, we will come to conclusion that AI would be ready to do only scripted tasks and have zero creative approach to doing the job.

I will say that AI wont take every persons jobs, it will be an addition to a human, but in some sectors people will get fired. Where it were necessary 3 persons to do the task, it will be done by 1 human and AI. And such simplified process must make service/production cost lower, which means with time we will get service and item price decrease.

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Artificial intelligence development will probably cease in 2-3 years. At that point, several large companies that are currently actively developing and improving language models will likely go bankrupt.

This is due to the fact that artificial intelligence requires a large amount of electricity. At the same time, humanity has failed to build a working thermonuclear reactor, and nuclear energy is banned in many countries.

Humanity does not have enough electricity for a radical breakthrough in the development of artificial intelligence. Therefore, I do not think that artificial intelligence will put everyone on planet Earth out of work. It simply will not have time to do so.

There is also the problem of chip production, but the problems associated with electricity are more significant.

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Quote from: GigaBit on October 13, 2024, 02:30:12 PM

Nowadays, AI tools are so advanced that they can easily present any difficult task to easy to the users. People are now eager to use this AI for every purpose. They use AI accordingly depending on their actions. However, when a businessman gets the opportunity to use this AI, he will definitely try to use it to reduce the cost of his business, so if the employee is laid off from an organization, the businessmen will benefit.

it's already happening, rarer job vacancy because AI could boost productivity with just fewer employee which isn't looking great for the economy, I mean big companies are funding AI right now massively so expect AI to be used highly for improving the revenue stream of business and reducing costs.
Some people might argue, that the presence of AI will opens up a new job, well depend, but i can be sure it's a new job that's few in quantity compared to current job.
universal basic income might solve this but there's no research so far about how effective it is.

but I expect there will be "tech winter" for another sector as well, I guess starting entrepreneurship might be a good idea right now.

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Im increasingly optimistic on AI while still wanting to learn more about its possible deployment across industry. If it truly can increase efficiency not just be some high end luxury type product then higher utility will be a positive. I've very keen to see its development and if useful and productive the iterative increase in activity that it brings.

I've read at least one example of AI increasing revenue from enabling the customer to easily make choices to buy more quickly and easily, as simply as that it can be a large difference to the bottom line. But can it do this every time or reliably be a useful product we'll have to see. End of 2024 is supposedly going to be a deployment of the next generation of AI tech but again it will take time to develop for that capability, I dont assume success but it certainly seems to be there is sufficient amount of people apprehensive and doubting for it to surprise to the upside massively potentially.

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Nowadays, AI tools are so advanced that they can easily present any difficult task to easy to the users. People are now eager to use this AI for every purpose. They use AI accordingly depending on their actions. However, when a businessman gets the opportunity to use this AI, he will definitely try to use it to reduce the cost of his business, so if the employee is laid off from an organization, the businessmen will benefit.

We can definitely say that the use of this AI is going to have a big impact on human resources. Just like humans, any task can be done so perfectly by these AI that there may be a shortage of labor resources. And if it continues in this way, at some point it can create unexpected situation. Considering the impact of AI, a survey found that 69 percent of graduates think AI will take their jobs.

AI is now very reliable for all kinds of tasks. Starting from cashiers, drivers, now everywhere there is an opportunity to use this. However, many believe that using AI will also have some disadvantages. Many people will use it for evil, especially starting from giving wrong information. In order to avoid this situation in general, there is no alternative to develop ourselves competitively.

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