Will AI taking people jobs and make the world worse? - page 6.

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Quote from: ovcijisir on September 19, 2024, 02:02:06 AM

Few years ago in my country there was opening of robot restaurant where special robots prepared food. Don't t know for waiters, but I believe they had human waiters.

Restaurant was opened for year or two, and now it's permanently closed.

When this restaurant opened I thought that food served there will be cheaper than competition, because they didn't hire human cooks, but when I checked price list it was the same as competing restaurants. There was simply no upsides in comparison to other restaurants. Maybe for tech enthusiasts who wanted to check new thing, but I believe they did not have regular customers and when hype around it diminished it just closed the doors.

So I believe that AI and robots will take some jobs, but only if it lowers cost of final product in comparison to competing products.

I believe it's too early for AI to take over the world. It's just not ready for prime time use. There's a lot of hype, but the tech is far from being perfect. I think the only thing that will put the "final nail in the coffin" would be the advent of Quantum Computing. Unless that becomes a reality, AI's potential will be limited.

Funny thing that you've mentioned prices at a "robotic restaurant" were the same as an ordinary one. Typical of greedy businesses. They will save money by using innovative technologies, but they will charge twice as much to get richer. The poor always get affected. I guess that's how the system works. And I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about it. Who knows how long will it take for AI to mature into a "force to reckon with"?

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Yeah we all have seen those automated restuarants too, but using machines in restaurants isn't really something new. Remember vending machines and fast food joints with those self-order kiosks? Those existed for decades and the only thing new is that they are more intelligent than they were before. I am pretty much sure you have already seen those videos where AI automated machine was making hotdogs and omelets. It was a pretty mess sometimes.
To be honest, I don't think AI will take over everyone's jobs though. There are things AI just can't do, like jobs that need real human creativity and instant decision making for complex situations. There will always be people looking after and controlling those AIs. Sure some jobs might change or disappear, but humans have always been good at adapting. People will be using those tools and AI to make their life and their job easier.

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Quote from: UTON Blockchain on September 19, 2024, 05:03:08 AM

I can only say, you've underestimated the cost of artificial intelligence.Not to mention, they can be more "emotional" than regular workers, occasionally acting out in irrational ways.

I want to agree on the cost of AI and their maintenance but emotional? That's a fiction bro. Forget about what you watch in the movies, 0 and 1 doesn't have emotions because they are machine. All those garbage shown in movies are promoted to make it sweet and real in eye of the viewers. More like marketing to me but in reality, the machines doesn't develop any emotion for anyone but do 0 and 1 continues as they are programmed unless abuse and reprogram to misbehave.

Anything that has an advantage has its own disadvantages. If today we say they should allow AI to take jobs, they would never be able to take all the job. Probably will do 25% accurately, the rest will still need special intervention of man and I'm sure that government wouldn't approve this AI because of how abusive people are with data. We see how Google and some companies are sued with the abuse of informations of customers and their data.

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Quote from: fruktik on September 19, 2024, 02:48:21 AM

As far as I know, quite a large number of people have already lost their jobs. For example, some analysts. Now they can easily be replaced by AI. In addition, there are other specialties that will be left without work and will now go looking for new vacancies. Most likely, they will simply need to retrain. It would be good if the companies themselves paid for this training, but this is not always the case.

I remember a case from my life when, when getting a job, I had to pay for training from my own pocket. If I had not done this, I would not have gotten a position in the company. Yes, colleagues, this is also practiced in reality. Be vigilant about this.

Yes of course and I'll tell you why, people who lost their jobs are average workers who lacks the zeal and will to upgrade themselves continuously in their field to be special, also some of them refused to adapt to the changing world of AI and learn how to work with them.

Those who's noticed this change and prepared themselves for it were not displaced. The people living in underdeveloped countries should start getting ready and bracing themselves because sooner or later the wave would reach almost everywhere and those who are not moving with the latest trends in their career would still be swept off by the wave of AI.

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1. Progress cannot be stopped.
2. AI in the full-fledged sense does not exist yet. What is currently being passed off as “AI” - is just a huge knowledge base wrapped in a large language model, which acts according to human instructions and algorithms written by humans. I.e. it is just a great tool, but not AI.
Yes, today's “semi-intelligent automated systems” will replace manual labor, and there are many reasons for that:
- A human can TRUST or willfully perform poorly, an automated system will run for years without stopping and without demanding pay raises, insurance, sick days, etc.
- with so-called “AI”. - The efficiency of work is higher and the costs and expenses of maintaining these systems are lower than for 1 person.

- This solves a lot of problems associated with finding labor, which can be a problem for businesses.

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Quote from: fruktik on September 19, 2024, 02:48:21 AM

As far as I know, quite a large number of people have already lost their jobs. For example, some analysts. Now they can easily be replaced by AI. In addition, there are other specialties that will be left without work and will now go looking for new vacancies. Most likely, they will simply need to retrain. It would be good if the companies themselves paid for this training, but this is not always the case.

That's right sir. It's sad, on the one hand it's very helpful on the other hand a lot will be lost. Yes. In the future we will see many changes, the more sophisticated the technology used where all demand speed in completing a job will always be hampered by the capacity of workers. Yes. humans also have limitations, sometimes being healthy is okay, but if there are obstacles such as being unhealthy or being diagnosed by a doctor we have to rest for 1 month from work I think that will be an obstacle and if it is too long it will be considered a problem that can affect the company's income performance, especially if the boss is a workaholic and always gives targets.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on June 30, 2024, 07:21:35 AM

AI is widespread, and I believe that it will continue growing, and so will automation in general. However, that doesn't mean negative consequences for the workforce and the economy. The last World Economic Forum report states that automation is happening, but at a much slower pace than anticipated. The current level of automation of business-related tasks is 34%, which is significantly below the prediction of 47% automation by 2025. Also, with new technologies come new jobs and new demand, and we've seen it happen many times in the past. People just need to learn to be more adaptable and to be ready to learn new skills to get new jobs, and things will be fine.

Yes no doubt AI will be low but it is improving itself day by day if not believe you can compare it. And it also helps us in many things. See many things are said but not proved and if AI is misused in many places then it will not be called bad. For this reason what is benefiting us is not called bad but misused. Predictably, it becomes even more redundant and its employees can easily run their own home. Predictions are only for themselves and many places Google has made predictions and they too have been proven wrong. Obviously, when something new comes, this work will also be different and those who will work hard will have to take more of their share or not?

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Quote from: UTON Blockchain on September 19, 2024, 05:03:08 AM

I can only say, you've underestimated the cost of artificial intelligence.Not to mention, they can be more "emotional" than regular workers, occasionally acting out in irrational ways.

So you want to say that AI has emotions or something like that? If so, then I will hasten to disappoint you. No, AI does not have such a function at the moment. Have you by any chance watched too many science fiction films where this was possible? ))

Yes, AI is developing at an incredible speed, but it is just an algorithm that has neither a soul nor emotional experience.

Ai do not have emotions, but it has hallucinations. Just Google "ai hallucination" to find out more. It means sometimes it can go wild and give unexpected feedback on your prompts.

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Quote from: UTON Blockchain on September 19, 2024, 05:03:08 AM

I can only say, you've underestimated the cost of artificial intelligence.Not to mention, they can be more "emotional" than regular workers, occasionally acting out in irrational ways.

So you want to say that AI has emotions or something like that? If so, then I will hasten to disappoint you. No, AI does not have such a function at the moment. Have you by any chance watched too many science fiction films where this was possible? ))

Yes, AI is developing at an incredible speed, but it is just an algorithm that has neither a soul nor emotional experience.

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I can only say, you've underestimated the cost of artificial intelligence.Not to mention, they can be more "emotional" than regular workers, occasionally acting out in irrational ways.

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Quote from: icalical on September 17, 2024, 06:13:48 AM

It's no doubt that AI is going to alter industries like consulting and customer service by automating certain tasks, but it is not a job killer. Rather, in many cases, AI just complements human roles, making them more efficient. With AI handling basic inquiries at call centers, for example, humans become more important in solving complex, emotional tasks. Many jobs will evolve, and new ones will emerge, particularly in the areas of development and oversight of AI. The trick, of course, will be to manage this transition with proper reskilling so that people can actually adapt and move forward in the face of such AI-driven changes.

As far as I know, quite a large number of people have already lost their jobs. For example, some analysts. Now they can easily be replaced by AI. In addition, there are other specialties that will be left without work and will now go looking for new vacancies. Most likely, they will simply need to retrain. It would be good if the companies themselves paid for this training, but this is not always the case.

I remember a case from my life when, when getting a job, I had to pay for training from my own pocket. If I had not done this, I would not have gotten a position in the company. Yes, colleagues, this is also practiced in reality. Be vigilant about this.

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Few years ago in my country there was opening of robot restaurant where special robots prepared food. Don't t know for waiters, but I believe they had human waiters.

Restaurant was opened for year or two, and now it's permanently closed.

When this restaurant opened I thought that food served there will be cheaper than competition, because they didn't hire human cooks, but when I checked price list it was the same as competing restaurants. There was simply no upsides in comparison to other restaurants. Maybe for tech enthusiasts who wanted to check new thing, but I believe they did not have regular customers and when hype around it diminished it just closed the doors.

So I believe that AI and robots will take some jobs, but only if it lowers cost of final product in comparison to competing products.

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Quote from: STT on September 17, 2024, 10:53:59 AM

All of Elon's claims you should insert a double size font and the word could . Its a maybe, its possible but is it profitable to rush for that objective right now. Have we found any point to going to Mars for example, its a very long way and likely involves people never coming back.

To achieve what, is the larger question on that whole list of tech maybes, if it doesn't serve society especially expect it to go nowhere . AI is not cheap but if its possible to utilize wasted cycles or processing power for a bonus or useful task results then it will be an ongoing growth sector.

elon is just scare mongering in this regard, he even also actively invests in various AI technology, his platform also AI integrated, but technology isn't all about increasing efficiency, AI can replace people but government can also impose law to prevent such thing from massively happening.

if there's robot utilization, maybe government will impose higher tax to support lower class that lives in poverty, things won't turn dystopian just because AI exist, I think pretty much in the future once the regulation is already created, things will stabilize and AI will just become a tool, and replacing wokrforce with AI entirely might seem unethical.

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Quote from: STT on September 17, 2024, 10:53:59 AM

All of Elon's claims you should insert a double size font and the word could . Its a maybe, its possible but is it profitable to rush for that objective right now. Have we found any point to going to Mars for example, its a very long way and likely involves people never coming back.

To achieve what, is the larger question on that whole list of tech maybes, if it doesn't serve society especially expect it to go nowhere . AI is not cheap but if its possible to utilize wasted cycles or processing power for a bonus or useful task results then it will be an ongoing growth sector.

Of course. AI isn't cheap. Especially, when it's a new tech that's widely unproven. Like I've stated before, there isn't an infrastructure that would hold AI together. Same as EVs (Electric Vehicles). Without an infrastructure for these new kinds of technologies, how can we expect the masses to adopt them?

Companies find AI highly-beneficial to them, but a lot of customers still don't know how to use it. AI is still in its infancy. It's far from being perfect. I think it'll take decades before AI can make an impact on the world economy. Just sit back and relax. I'm sure everything will be fine.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 30, 2024, 06:07:39 AM

I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.

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I have read your information. The country which is less population will not have any problem in near future because their country can feed them food. However, country like us which has population over 18,000,00,00+ will have more impact. The reason is that AI Robot will replace our remittance from Middle East. Then, if we get cheaper human robot from china then whole world AI Robot will be replacing except manufacturing countries.

Obviously, high level degree will get job for 100 times salary then now. Many think that AI will not replace job but will ease human works. This is not correct if work become easy than why businessman will hire human.

There may be more complex problem will come.

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All of Elon's claims you should insert a double size font and the word could . Its a maybe, its possible but is it profitable to rush for that objective right now. Have we found any point to going to Mars for example, its a very long way and likely involves people never coming back.

To achieve what, is the larger question on that whole list of tech maybes, if it doesn't serve society especially expect it to go nowhere . AI is not cheap but if its possible to utilize wasted cycles or processing power for a bonus or useful task results then it will be an ongoing growth sector.

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AI is definitely changing the job landscape, and it’s true that not everyone wants to transition to tech-based roles. But I think people will eventually adapt to this change and find new ways to contribute to the world. Did we not have similar concerns when things like advance machinery and the internet were developed?

AI also remains to be very expensive so I wonder if they will be cost-effective for smaller companies. They may not be able to invest in AI when you consider the upfront cost and maintenance of AI technology compared to human labor.

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Quote from: ivankoh on September 15, 2024, 01:59:31 AM

My point of view is that AI will change the productivity of labor instead of humans in some industries. This may happen in the near future. Consulting, online call center, ... are very likely to be unemployed and they will have to look for a change with other jobs. This will increase the unemployment rate for human resources in the long run. Something may have to be adjusted more appropriately, if we say that AI brings a worse world, it is not because AI brings high efficiency, stability, accuracy will help humans in a very large scope, each country will be responsible for balancing the suitability and applying AI to the general human resource situation.

It's no doubt that AI is going to alter industries like consulting and customer service by automating certain tasks, but it is not a job killer. Rather, in many cases, AI just complements human roles, making them more efficient. With AI handling basic inquiries at call centers, for example, humans become more important in solving complex, emotional tasks. Many jobs will evolve, and new ones will emerge, particularly in the areas of development and oversight of AI. The trick, of course, will be to manage this transition with proper reskilling so that people can actually adapt and move forward in the face of such AI-driven changes.

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Quote from: ivankoh on September 15, 2024, 01:59:31 AM

My point of view is that AI will change the productivity of labor instead of humans in some industries. This may happen in the near future. Consulting, online call center, ... are very likely to be unemployed and they will have to look for a change with other jobs. This will increase the unemployment rate for human resources in the long run. Something may have to be adjusted more appropriately, if we say that AI brings a worse world, it is not because AI brings high efficiency, stability, accuracy will help humans in a very large scope, each country will be responsible for balancing the suitability and applying AI to the general human resource situation.

Does AI have an infrastructure that would help it scale in the mainstream world? I think not. Not while some places lack Internet access, and classical computers still exist. The advent of quantum computing and satellite Internet will solidify AI's place in the real world. It will help improve its performance and global outreach. Until then, don't expect the tech to go anywhere.

I know this is the future, especially when many companies are "shilling" it. Elon Musk's X.AI (the company of Grok AI) is one of them. The economy will change in ways you can't imagine. I don't think AI will harm the economy, but rather improve it. The benefits that come with such tech, are numerous. Perhaps, this will bring along new job opportunities in the long run. Every new industry brings new forms of labor. In the future, programmers, software developers, software engineers, AI experts/developers, etc will be in high demand. These are careers that can't be done by a machine. Technicians will also be necessary. People just need to "upgrade" themselves to whatever is trending at the moment. Only central banks have the power to either destroy or rebuild the economy in their favor. Who knows what will happen in the long run?

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For AI, the development may be beyond our imagination. I heard someone give a model of research, experimenting with AI robots fighting on the battlefield instead of humans. Lol, back to the issue of AI can replace human jobs in the future, of course it will be a battle of human resource management of each country to consider the level of application for AI? Somehow, the competition in applying AI will become a challenge for humans, because they will likely fall into unemployment. Even I myself have to worry about my job, so be ready and try to change, adapt.

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