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Quote from: Fuso.hp on May 29, 2023, 02:08:17 AM

Since ChatGPT was launched in November last year, this AI technology has created a huge response across the globe. This technology has gained so much popularity that people are using this technology in almost every field. Any math can be easily solved through this technology, any unknown matter can be easily known through this technology, so there is a lot of doubt in everyone's mind about this technology that this technology will destroy the job market or not?

When asked about this, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said the technology will never destroy the job market. Rather, this technology will solve things that people never know about. Since all tasks can be solved easily through this technology, this bot system may be used instead of humans in various work fields.
If this technology is used in the workplace, many people will lose their jobs.

ChatGPT is a glorified LMGTFY 2.0 toy which will NOT replace anyone or their jobs. You are all safe. People are getting too excited about machine learning, despite the fact that we do not really understand how the human brain fully works, how can we already assume that we have created something superior to us and it will soon take over humanity or worse even, kill all of humanity?

It will change the job market and people will have to adapt. But people have been doing that throughout history. No need to panic.

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Initially experts accepted ChatGPT as just a cutting-edge technology but it is a cutting-edge technology but has created doubts in everyone's mind that maybe this technology will destroy the job market. This is possible because people are now dependent on technology. Earlier, where it used to take a lot of time for people to make a small calculation, accurate calculations are being done very easily through calculators. Here too, people have relied on technology.
ChatGPT If it is possible to use this technology somewhere instead of people then people will definitely use this technology. So it is still not possible to say with certainty whether the job market will be completely destroyed through this technology.

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I think yes , it (chatgpt) is really can destroy some peoples job market. Chat, through which programming or coding related tasks can be done easily, it is really has been a boon for many as well as a pain for many.
Any skill can be divided into three parts: high level, mid level, lower level.H owever, those who are high level programmers or coders may not be able to beat by the ChatGPTs. However, those who are going to be at risk because of Chat GPT are the mid-level and low-level people, their work is generally being done through Chat GPT.
The only way out of this is to always develop your skills. To survive in today's market, you have to be at a high level.

I disagree with you . I am also a programmer but not really using it now but still I use mostly in automation it what I could say in AI is that it help me a lot interms of solving problem and making it an assistant in case there are problems. Also it is difficult to like rely on the code provided by AI as there are ton of outdated codes as well as not working properly so still you need to review it

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on May 29, 2023, 02:08:17 AM

Since ChatGPT was launched in November last year, this AI technology has created a huge response across the globe. This technology has gained so much popularity that people are using this technology in almost every field. Any math can be easily solved through this technology, any unknown matter can be easily known through this technology, so there is a lot of doubt in everyone's mind about this technology that this technology will destroy the job market or not?

When asked about this, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said the technology will never destroy the job market. Rather, this technology will solve things that people never know about. Since all tasks can be solved easily through this technology, this bot system may be used instead of humans in various work fields.
If this technology is used in the workplace, many people will lose their jobs.

What the CEO of OpenAI said is true. No matter how much Chat GPT improves technology, this technology will never destroy your job market. Maybe this technology will make your work much easier, the work that used to take a lot of time will be done in a moment. That day I saw a video chat using GPT in agriculture. It is being used in agriculture so beautifully that it has made agriculture much more beautiful. But in this case people will lose some employment. Earlier many people were needed to do the agricultural work but nowadays not many people are needed to do that agricultural work, that agricultural work can be done in less time with the help of machines. So I think in this case people will lose some employment.

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This is how technological innovation has worked in the past, but people don't realize that technological innovation in the past hasn't actually mimicked human intelligence. Previous technology, computers specifically, have the ability to repeat commands at a high rate. But that's their limitation, reading a script and execution a function. AI mimic humans and their judgement, and AI will work cheaper than humans.

Take the jobs generated from AI and you still don't have a net gain in jobs from the number of jobs displaced. The solution isn't just to tell people that they should adapt skills and force them to compete with AI. Doesn't work that way, it's a losing battle.

ChatGPT isn't very impressive to me, to be frank. But what will the next iteration of ChatGPT look like, say, 20 years from now.

We are the creator on which it would be understandable that we are far more superior which is something that it is really that understandable but due to additional and advancement then it do really surpasses out human intelligence but this is something situational because we know that upgrades and improvements is really something that be added and applied but there are really key areas on which AI cant be able to touch up
other than humans itself. There might be some jobs that would really be replaced by AI but this wont really be totally be occupying on lots of industries but it wont be shocking if it would really be
dominated most of those positions which it could be somewhat applied. Company owners would really be that going into something which automation is indeed precise when it comes to support and other
passing up information kind of function and other similar relevance into this kind of field.

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Quote from: Accardo on June 01, 2023, 12:40:40 AM

Chatgpt can destroy a market that competes with it, but not a job market. When chatgpt dropped, people thought it'll take the job from writers, and it turned out to be an assistant to facilitate writing.

This makes no sense. If it's a useful assistant to say copywriter, meaning he can produce content much faster, then he can process more work, which would otherwise go to other copywriters - meaning some of them won't get work and would have to look for another source of income. It's not like there's an unlimited demand for writing.

And there are plenty of testimonies on the internet from content creators, be it writers or graphic designers, that they've lost tons of work/clients due to the publicly available AI tools. And it's going to get much worse, as most of the largest companies still haven't started properly using AI tools (due to various reasons, e.g. legal issues) but once they get a green light, it might not look pretty for certain job types.

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Quote from: Fiatless on May 29, 2023, 05:24:42 AM

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This is how technological innovation has worked in the past, but people don't realize that technological innovation in the past hasn't actually mimicked human intelligence. Previous technology, computers specifically, have the ability to repeat commands at a high rate. But that's their limitation, reading a script and execution a function. AI mimic humans and their judgement, and AI will work cheaper than humans.

Take the jobs generated from AI and you still don't have a net gain in jobs from the number of jobs displaced. The solution isn't just to tell people that they should adapt skills and force them to compete with AI. Doesn't work that way, it's a losing battle.

ChatGPT isn't very impressive to me, to be frank. But what will the next iteration of ChatGPT look like, say, 20 years from now.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on May 29, 2023, 02:08:17 AM

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I think yes , it (chatgpt) is really can destroy some peoples job market. Chat, through which programming or coding related tasks can be done easily, it is really has been a boon for many as well as a pain for many.
Any skill can be divided into three parts: high level, mid level, lower level.H owever, those who are high level programmers or coders may not be able to beat by the ChatGPTs. However, those who are going to be at risk because of Chat GPT are the mid-level and low-level people, their work is generally being done through Chat GPT.
The only way out of this is to always develop your skills. To survive in today's market, you have to be at a high level.

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It's still very early to come to such a conclusion; don't forget that most AI services are still in a beta experimental phase, and they're far from perfect. As I mentioned earlier, ChatGPT is powerful, but not powerful enough (yet) to take over humans. Other AI applications, however, are much more capable and advanced, which is the frightening part. AI is far from being fully developed, and it has already proven to have immense capabilities in our hands with just a few clicks—something that we could have never imagined a year or two ago. It's only been a few months since ChatGPT was founded, and their development since then has been massive. Just imagine what else we'll see just by the end of this year.

Personally, I believe that their development can easily take a turn for the worse; imagine what else they'll be able to do in a matter of a few years. Is there any guarantee that their power will solely be used to assist humanity?

I agree with you. ChatGPT is only the beginning of a nightmare, how many industrial workers have now been replaced with robotic systems? That's just a robot system, AI will be more sophisticated than that. If robotics can only replace repetitive human tasks, then AI will be able to do the same things as humans.

AI doesn't complain when it's working, it doesn't get tired, it doesn't get hungry, it doesn't ask to be paid, It's a sweet dream for every industry. Production costs will become very cheap with AI technology. Who will use humans in industrial systems if AI has that advantage?
Maybe not all workers will be replaced by AI technology, but many workers will lose their jobs. If that happens, then the nightmare becomes reality. Remember, technology develops at a very fast pace. Maybe that nightmare will happen soon, another 5 or 10 years seems to be enough for AI to become very sophisticated.

I don't want that to happen, but it looks like AI technology is heading in that direction

Those industrial workers who were replaced with robotic system most likely have found another job. I wasnt that after they got fired, they went home, lied in a bed and waited for death. Which jobs do you think ChatGPT would replace? Designers, part of IT department, part of freelancers and lets say a bunch of other professions. But I think that this is OK. People dont work in one company, on one position, or dont do just one job for entire life. Also there will be always in need of those who will maintain ChatGPT servers (if that is how it work - what I meant is "specialists who maintain ChatGPT work"), those who make use of ChatGPT in their business and etc. ChatGPT - this is a progression. During progress new job places will appear. It wont be that it will replace each and every single job in the world.

Maybe for a while it will automate the chat system of the site but for sure even though there will be lessen work force for that still those companies will need people because they need them to interact real time to their costumers.

I understand many got afraid of development of this technology but I don't really think it can affect to the whole job market for long term because real peoples presence is for sure what those costumers need and they will request real people to talk than those bots.

Automated chat bots have been around for many years; that's the least of our issues. Actual employees are still assisting people over the chat; the bots or AI simply categorize your issue to connect you to the appropriate assistant or try to understand what your issue is. If it's a common one, it'll provide you with the necessary information; usually, though, it connects you with the appropriate department. In this case, it's very supportive and helpful and cannot fully replace humans.

Although, personally, I believe that the issue is a lot broader. Even promising IT may suffer. I already mentioned Photoshop, so I'm not going to do it again; however, even Excel will soon have similar automations. As someone who is adept in Excel and the Microsoft Office suite, this is a potential drawback for me since an average Excel user will be able to live up to the expectations of someone more advanced, thanks to AI; thus, I will no longer have an advantage as an expert Excel user, my further knowledge won't be of any help.

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I don't think chatgbt can destroy the job market itself. Because after all, it's just like Google search where you can ask what you want and it will give you options to answer your question.

But it can be the reason for other people's unemployment. That is seen, but not in the job market itself. But it cannot be denied that today's chatgpt helps us people in many ways. However, if this is adopted by some companies worldwide, the popularity of the chatgpt will surely spread quickly.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 31, 2023, 11:47:53 AM

Does anyone here lost their job already due to chat gpt? I guess not and people just create panic. I dont think it will destroy “job market” (what ever it means lol Grin

) but it will rebalance demanded and less demanded jobs. I think we already had things like that, when we had to many of so called “finansists” and shortage of those who knew how to work “with hands”. Now we have too many guys in IT sector. I guess we dont need so many keyboard clickers anymore Grin

There were just rumors or words circulating about certain companies laying off employees due to ChatGPT. Either way someone still has to maintain the quality of whatever the company is offering anyway to their clients/customers.

ChatGPT is powerful, but someone has to still do something about the output it gives. Remember when people were saying that Adobe Dreamweaver and/or WYSIWYG editor would destroy the job market for web developers? It's not technically an AI but it eases web development. Still there were companies that are looking for web devs of all levels including entry-level.

Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on June 01, 2023, 07:32:28 AM

I agree that chatGPT and it's counterparts will destroy the job market. This is going to affect the older generations because they are the ones who learned how to do their job without the aid of a computer.

Companies would then train their people to use the newer ways of doing whatever job they're doing. Surely newspaper editors back in the days using typewrites would now be trained to use computer and type in articles and learn newer formats in creating an article.

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I agree that chatGPT and it's counterparts will destroy the job market. This is going to affect the older generations because they are the ones who learned how to do their job without the aid of a computer. Have you heard of Katherine Johnson, the African-American physicist/mathematician, who helped calculate the flight path for NASA's first manned space mission in 1962, and made important calculations for the Apollo moon landing. She did this without any computer or artificial intelligence. Let's say now that she still works for NASA and refuses to learn how to use machines to do the calculations for her by just typing in some prompts, she would certainly loose her job to someone else who already can and that person would be a younger person. So that is why I agree with the OP that Chat GPT and its counterparts would destroy the job market only for a certain demographic.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on May 29, 2023, 02:08:17 AM

Since ChatGPT was launched in November last year, this AI technology has created a huge response across the globe. This technology has gained so much popularity that people are using this technology in almost every field. Any math can be easily solved through this technology, any unknown matter can be easily known through this technology, so there is a lot of doubt in everyone's mind about this technology that this technology will destroy the job market or not?

When asked about this, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said the technology will never destroy the job market. Rather, this technology will solve things that people never know about. Since all tasks can be solved easily through this technology, this bot system may be used instead of humans in various work fields.
If this technology is used in the workplace, many people will lose their jobs.

Blabla, all black-and-white thinking again.
Destroy = negative. How about freeing time and work potential for more creative tasks instead?
Actually I think transform is the correct phrase. Some jobs will become obsolete while new ones will emerge.

And ofc OpenAI-Sam has a biased "only positive" narrative on the subject.
It's a complex topic and not all implications of AI development are predictable yet. Some people will lose their jobs, other people will find opportunities with AI that didn't exist before.

Your statement "Any math can be easily solved through this technology, any unknown matter can be easily known through this technology" is just incorrect. The right use of AI in almost any data-driven field will allow for much quicker problem-solving but for now it's not a solution that can just solve any task at all. It's prone to error and acts in unpredictable ways, rendering it useless in many instances for the time being.

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Quote from: terencio on May 31, 2023, 01:56:34 PM

It is true that ChatGPT has gained a lot of popularity since its launch in November last year. While some people may worry that this technology will destroy the job market, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman believes that the technology will never destroy the job market. Rather, this technology will solve things that people never knew about.

Since we have different AI projects just like Chatgpt that has bring a huge recognition to the AI world. We can not actually say that chatgpt or any other artificial intelligence project would dominate the entire world making job hard for job seeker. This is a trend and I am pretty sure that very soon, another trend would dominate the AI trend that will make people talk and agitate about the new trend just like we have been seeing for some time now.

Quote from: Negotiation on June 01, 2023, 04:15:39 AM

The use of this chat GPT expands horizons, but it will not destroy the job market but will make the work of current workers easier.

This is what many perso6had been longing to see whether there job would be safe from AI taking there jobs away. We don't actually know the gravity this would cause in time coming.

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Realizing more correctly whether humans destroy things themselves, I realize that the core problem here is not because of the supporting tools but the behavior of our use. So when it comes to using chatgpt, as well as many other support tools, the ethics of use is always mentioned a lot. Simpler than looking at a fruit peeler, yes, it is exactly used to peel fruit and can also be a tool that harms our lives. And through this I want to reiterate that instead of blaming any party, blame yourself for not being knowledgeable and good enough to use everything to bring positive things to yourself as well as to everyone around.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on May 31, 2023, 02:35:34 PM

It's still very early to come to such a conclusion; don't forget that most AI services are still in a beta experimental phase, and they're far from perfect. As I mentioned earlier, ChatGPT is powerful, but not powerful enough (yet) to take over humans. Other AI applications, however, are much more capable and advanced, which is the frightening part. AI is far from being fully developed, and it has already proven to have immense capabilities in our hands with just a few clicks—something that we could have never imagined a year or two ago. It's only been a few months since ChatGPT was founded, and their development since then has been massive. Just imagine what else we'll see just by the end of this year.

Personally, I believe that their development can easily take a turn for the worse; imagine what else they'll be able to do in a matter of a few years. Is there any guarantee that their power will solely be used to assist humanity?

I agree with you. ChatGPT is only the beginning of a nightmare, how many industrial workers have now been replaced with robotic systems? That's just a robot system, AI will be more sophisticated than that. If robotics can only replace repetitive human tasks, then AI will be able to do the same things as humans.

AI doesn't complain when it's working, it doesn't get tired, it doesn't get hungry, it doesn't ask to be paid, It's a sweet dream for every industry. Production costs will become very cheap with AI technology. Who will use humans in industrial systems if AI has that advantage?
Maybe not all workers will be replaced by AI technology, but many workers will lose their jobs. If that happens, then the nightmare becomes reality. Remember, technology develops at a very fast pace. Maybe that nightmare will happen soon, another 5 or 10 years seems to be enough for AI to become very sophisticated.

I don't want that to happen, but it looks like AI technology is heading in that direction

Those industrial workers who were replaced with robotic system most likely have found another job. I wasnt that after they got fired, they went home, lied in a bed and waited for death. Which jobs do you think ChatGPT would replace? Designers, part of IT department, part of freelancers and lets say a bunch of other professions. But I think that this is OK. People dont work in one company, on one position, or dont do just one job for entire life. Also there will be always in need of those who will maintain ChatGPT servers (if that is how it work - what I meant is "specialists who maintain ChatGPT work"), those who make use of ChatGPT in their business and etc. ChatGPT - this is a progression. During progress new job places will appear. It wont be that it will replace each and every single job in the world.

Maybe for a while it will automate the chat system of the site but for sure even though there will be lessen work force for that still those companies will need people because they need them to interact real time to their costumers.

I understand many got afraid of development of this technology but I don't really think it can affect to the whole job market for long term because real peoples presence is for sure what those costumers need and they will request real people to talk than those bots.

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Quote from: komisariatku on May 31, 2023, 02:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on May 31, 2023, 02:35:34 PM

It's still very early to come to such a conclusion; don't forget that most AI services are still in a beta experimental phase, and they're far from perfect. As I mentioned earlier, ChatGPT is powerful, but not powerful enough (yet) to take over humans. Other AI applications, however, are much more capable and advanced, which is the frightening part. AI is far from being fully developed, and it has already proven to have immense capabilities in our hands with just a few clicks—something that we could have never imagined a year or two ago. It's only been a few months since ChatGPT was founded, and their development since then has been massive. Just imagine what else we'll see just by the end of this year.

Personally, I believe that their development can easily take a turn for the worse; imagine what else they'll be able to do in a matter of a few years. Is there any guarantee that their power will solely be used to assist humanity?

I agree with you. ChatGPT is only the beginning of a nightmare, how many industrial workers have now been replaced with robotic systems? That's just a robot system, AI will be more sophisticated than that. If robotics can only replace repetitive human tasks, then AI will be able to do the same things as humans.

AI doesn't complain when it's working, it doesn't get tired, it doesn't get hungry, it doesn't ask to be paid, It's a sweet dream for every industry. Production costs will become very cheap with AI technology. Who will use humans in industrial systems if AI has that advantage?
Maybe not all workers will be replaced by AI technology, but many workers will lose their jobs. If that happens, then the nightmare becomes reality. Remember, technology develops at a very fast pace. Maybe that nightmare will happen soon, another 5 or 10 years seems to be enough for AI to become very sophisticated.

I don't want that to happen, but it looks like AI technology is heading in that direction

Those industrial workers who were replaced with robotic system most likely have found another job. I wasnt that after they got fired, they went home, lied in a bed and waited for death. Which jobs do you think ChatGPT would replace? Designers, part of IT department, part of freelancers and lets say a bunch of other professions. But I think that this is OK. People dont work in one company, on one position, or dont do just one job for entire life. Also there will be always in need of those who will maintain ChatGPT servers (if that is how it work - what I meant is "specialists who maintain ChatGPT work"), those who make use of ChatGPT in their business and etc. ChatGPT - this is a progression. During progress new job places will appear. It wont be that it will replace each and every single job in the world.

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The use of this chat GPT expands horizons, but it will not destroy the job market but will make the work of current workers easier. Can answer a bunch of questions instantly. This chat GPT is the creation of OpenAI, an artificial intelligence research company. From creating a quick CV to writing poems, and stories, this technology is fast. Chat GPT provides easier and more informative answers to the types of questions that we usually go to Google Search to find answers to. Artificial intelligence will reach places where humans have no work or serve purposes where humans have never worked before.

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Quote from: komisariatku on May 31, 2023, 02:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on May 31, 2023, 02:35:34 PM

It's still very early to come to such a conclusion; don't forget that most AI services are still in a beta experimental phase, and they're far from perfect. As I mentioned earlier, ChatGPT is powerful, but not powerful enough (yet) to take over humans. Other AI applications, however, are much more capable and advanced, which is the frightening part. AI is far from being fully developed, and it has already proven to have immense capabilities in our hands with just a few clicks—something that we could have never imagined a year or two ago. It's only been a few months since ChatGPT was founded, and their development since then has been massive. Just imagine what else we'll see just by the end of this year.

Personally, I believe that their development can easily take a turn for the worse; imagine what else they'll be able to do in a matter of a few years. Is there any guarantee that their power will solely be used to assist humanity?

I agree with you. ChatGPT is only the beginning of a nightmare, how many industrial workers have now been replaced with robotic systems? That's just a robot system, AI will be more sophisticated than that. If robotics can only replace repetitive human tasks, then AI will be able to do the same things as humans.

AI doesn't complain when it's working, it doesn't get tired, it doesn't get hungry, it doesn't ask to be paid, It's a sweet dream for every industry. Production costs will become very cheap with AI technology. Who will use humans in industrial systems if AI has that advantage?
Maybe not all workers will be replaced by AI technology, but many workers will lose their jobs. If that happens, then the nightmare becomes reality. Remember, technology develops at a very fast pace. Maybe that nightmare will happen soon, another 5 or 10 years seems to be enough for AI to become very sophisticated.

I don't want that to happen, but it looks like AI technology is heading in that direction

What you describe is called progress.
In the same way, when steam engines appeared, many professions simply disappeared, and the demand for them disappeared.
We will not beg for progress - either you follow its course, or look for an alternative world! Either you adapt and adapt, or...

Of course, it doesn’t sound very positive, but no one for the sake of someone else’s “happiness” will live in the Stone Age, just so that there is a demand for you as a craftsman to carve flint axes and knives.

By the way, about chatgpt - I strongly recommend using it as an excellent teacher who will really answer all your questions, on any topic of interest. And then chatgpt will not be an enemy but a friend!

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The presence of technological developments will certainly have a big impact on workers, the big thing that we are currently experiencing is the presence of smartphones which make big changes to the camera industry, printing and so on, it can be said that camera production died because of the presence of smartphones.

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