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So this all leads me to have more confidence in such US terrorist bases existing in Ukraine.

Honestly this war would be long ago over if usa don't poke nose in other countries business. Itz ukarine fault that why they poked Russia on orders of usa and EU. USA after 2nd World War didn't started any war on its soil rather it have its war on other countries soils. Usa itself is completely safe for its inhabitants while rest of the world is facing destruction as part of usa peace process in the world.
The cynicism of your reasoning here just rolls over. Are you saying that the war in Ukraine would have ended long ago if the United States had not provided military and other assistance to Ukraine? Yes, Ukraine in this case, perhaps, would have been captured by Russia and destroyed as a state, and Ukrainians as a nation. At the same time, the leadership of Ukraine would have been shot or tortured along with a significant part of the civilian population, as the Russians did in the suburbs of Kyiv, when they believed that the war would soon end in victory for them. After the liberation of this territory, more than one and a half thousand civilian corpses, including women and children, were found in the Kyiv region alone, with signs of torture and violent death. Are you talking about such a desired result on this forum?
I just did not understand what is the fault of Ukraine here. The fact that she began to defend herself against aggression and defend her freedom and independence? And the Ukrainian army is now defending itself very effectively. The wolf ridge of Russia has already been broken practically in Ukraine.
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During World War II the world's major powers were bombed back to the stone age. With the exception of two nations. Russia and the united states. This set the stage for america and russia to emerge as the world's dominant superpowers leading into the cold war, korean war and vietnam war which followed.

Both the USSR and USA enjoyed the luxury of surviving World War II with their territories and economies largely intact. Profiting handsomely by loaning capital to other nations to rebuild. While the rest of the world toiled under debt and reconstruction efforts.

Looking at the current era a similar trend could emerge. America, the european union and china all carry large ratios of debt to GDP close to 100%. Russia's debt to GDP ratio is by far the smallest of any major power at around 20%. If a major recession hit global markets a case could be made for russia's government and economy being best structured to weather it. Russia is one of the most self sufficient nations in terms of raw materials, food and energy production. Russia also has many other world powers reliant and dependent on them for natural gas and other resources.

Long story short russia has many advantages over the USA, EU and china if an economic crisis hits.

If global markets are devastated by a crisis, russia is (in my opinion) the number #1 prospect to emerge as the next dominant superpower.

To avoid this, I think the united states would do well to keep its economy strong. As a hedge against russian encroachment. There isn't much alternative deterrent.

While russia's invasion of ukraine has stalled. Russia isn't trying very hard. They don't have to. They simply have to wait for the next big economic crisis when free money and support thrown at ukraine can no longer be funded. Then resistance may well crumble.

The best deterrent against invasion and war may be a strong economy with enough liquidity to make invasion too high priced too consider. Our current era with high deficits and weak economies could be interpreted as an open invitation for ambitious regimes like russia to invade us.

On the plus side if russia is the next dominant superpower they may be bitcoin friendly. At least that would be one positive thing we might look forward to in the horror show that could be the future.


Everything is described very nicely. You only missed 1 small but critically important nuance. A technologically backward, totalitarian, country built on lies, theft and aggression - cannot, in a normal world, be a leader!
Can, in your opinion, a person - socially degraded, eternally drunk, stealing everything he sees, offending the weak, squealing and urinating in his pants, when he deserves to be punched in the face by a strong one, become the leader of the state? EVEN let it be separate ... well, let it be a university? Sociums where educated, cultured, law and order-respecting citizens live? NO ! If he can become a "leader" - then only among the same downgraded and degraded personalities. Total: Russia can become a leader among North Korea, and such sewers as the DNR/LNR/Abkhazia/PMR. Although no .. North Korea is not such an idiot country Smiley
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Bumping this to check if views have changed over the last two months.

When I made this thread I thought I was saying: water is wet.

One possible outcome for russia may have been obvious given general economic and political conditions across the world.

Some digressed. Perhaps now we have a clearer picture.
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Stop stop stop! Putinzhe officially declared - this is a special operation against Ukraine blablabla. You do not trust Putin? Are you saying that he is a cheap star? Why is he lying so stupidly and primitively to everyone? Do you want to say that he is afraid of the USA, since he hides information that he is at war with the USA? Grin

And once again the question is - what resources, and from whom, in your opinion, do these insidious states want to take away?
Putin is uncontrollable - Russia is powerful and they will keep invading Ukraine till they get what they want.
But the war in this time is horrible although Ukraine didn't turn out to be a weak country but they were asking for ceasefire - Russia should have a soft corner for the other people as well.


There will never truly be peace in that region after the invasion. The U.S., U.K., Germany, and the rest of NATO will keep sending weapons to Ukraine and the other territories around that region. Why? Because they know they have lost, but what they can do is destabilize the region and make it harder for Russia to truly conquer, and get control.
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Stop stop stop! Putinzhe officially declared - this is a special operation against Ukraine blablabla. You do not trust Putin? Are you saying that he is a cheap star? Why is he lying so stupidly and primitively to everyone? Do you want to say that he is afraid of the USA, since he hides information that he is at war with the USA? Grin

And once again the question is - what resources, and from whom, in your opinion, do these insidious states want to take away?
Putin is uncontrollable - Russia is powerful and they will keep invading Ukraine till they get what they want.
But the war in this time is horrible although Ukraine didn't turn out to be a weak country but they were asking for ceasefire - Russia should have a soft corner for the other people as well.
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Like you, I always ask ONE simple question - and on the basis of what arguments did you decide that the United States has a desire to attack Russia? Why do they need it? What are the goals of such an action, in your opinion?
I beg you - just do not say "seize our resources" - this is really very funny! Smiley
And so, please answer this extremely simple question - what is the main goal of the US attack on Russia?
US is already attacking Russia but through a proxy called Ukraine. The reason is also pretty simple, competition. To put simply Russia was growing stronger while US was growing weaker so they needed to create an Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia so that they get caught for a long time like US did for 20 years and spent $7 trillion. Ukraine was a very good Afghanistan 2.0.

It's also to destabilize the region, increase the energy cost (US is also selling its very expensive-to-extract oil at a higher price), mess up Europe economy and force them to increase their military budget (something Trump couldn't do despite all his pressure), possibly move even further east (Finland and Sweden joining NATO), distract Russia from Syria so that US can revive ISIS again (which failed miserably), ...

Stop stop stop! Putinzhe officially declared - this is a special operation against Ukraine blablabla. You do not trust Putin? Are you saying that he is a cheap star? Why is he lying so stupidly and primitively to everyone? Do you want to say that he is afraid of the USA, since he hides information that he is at war with the USA? Grin

And once again the question is - what resources, and from whom, in your opinion, do these insidious states want to take away?
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So this all leads me to have more confidence in such US terrorist bases existing in Ukraine.

Honestly this war would be long ago over if usa don't poke nose in other countries business. Itz ukarine fault that why they poked Russia on orders of usa and EU. USA after 2nd World War didn't started any war on its soil rather it have its war on other countries soils. Usa itself is completely safe for its inhabitants while rest of the world is facing destruction as part of usa peace process in the world.
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Haha good one. Russian claims that Ukraine has US funded WMD labs is as believable as US claims that Saddam Hussein had WMD and that there was no other way other than invading Iraq.And we all know how that ended up.
Obviously both sides are spreading a lot of propaganda so you would be right to say it is hard to decide who to believe but lets check the facts.
1. During first days of invasion we clearly saw footage of unknown personnel in front of a facility that Russia later seized and claimed was US bioweapons lab.
2. Different US diplomats including of State Department have expressed concerns that their intelligence from such labs and their weapons are now in the hands of Russians!!! What are they so concerned about if they didn't have anything there Cheesy
3. US has many more of such labs in other countries that can operate well under the radar. Mostly in Africa but in others like the one in South Korea that their government has complained about the bioweapons lab posing a risk to their people many times. Or the one in our north western country Azerbaijan which is clearly a US terrorist base working on biological WMDs.
4. US also has a filthy record when it comes to such weapons, they have admitted to having them and even using them on many occasions including on their own soil https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-admits-bio-weapons-tests/

So this all leads me to have more confidence in such US terrorist bases existing in Ukraine.
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I don't think I've ever thought or said that Tongue
You didn't, but you still claim that it's all US fault and that Russia didn't have any other choice while I just wanted to show that its their standard practice. Eastern Europe and Baltic countries rushed into NATO for a good reason after fall of SSSR, knowing how it is to live under Russian boot, but were naive enough to give their nuclear weapons and now they are paying the price.



1. To accept an ever increasing security threat at their western borders and in black sea while US kept building terrorist bases in Ukraine and manufactured WMDs there including biological ones
Haha good one. Russian claims that Ukraine has US funded WMD labs is as believable as US claims that Saddam Hussein had WMD and that there was no other way other than invading Iraq.And we all know how that ended up.
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Russia will not become a superpower until it begins to process its resources within its own country. While all resources go abroad in their raw form, the benefit goes only to officials in their pockets, so you first need to deal with this moment, and then think about world domination.
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And its not like Russia doesn't have a long history of invading neighbouring countries, from Poland and Finland to Hungary and Czechoslovakia. I like how people somehow think that Russia is not like all those other imperialist countries, while being the biggest country in the world.
I don't think I've ever thought or said that Tongue
In fact whenever you guys think of Nazis when WWII is mentioned we do too but we mainly remember Soviets and Brits who invaded our neutral country and murdered 4 million people (more than entire German casualties during WWII!).
None of it means I don't see the real reasons for this conflict though.

I don't say that United States are completely innocent in all his because they aren't, but in the end Putin was the one who decided to send the tanks to Ukraine because they don't know anything about soft power and instead extending their influence to other countries by culture and economy, all they can do is to send tanks, which is a shame.
Basically US provided Russia with only 2 options:
1. To accept an ever increasing security threat at their western borders and in black sea while US kept building terrorist bases in Ukraine and manufactured WMDs there including biological ones
2. Invade Ukraine to neutralize the threat once and for all but be caught up there with their pants down like US did in Afghanistan for 20 years.
They chose option number 2 because they couldn't create an option number 3 for themselves.
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US is already attacking Russia but through a proxy called Ukraine. The reason is also pretty simple, competition. To put simply Russia was growing stronger while US was growing weaker so they needed to create an Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia so that they get caught for a long time like US did for 20 years and spent $7 trillion. Ukraine was a very good Afghanistan 2.0.
Russia stopped being main US competition some time ago. And its not like Russia doesn't have a long history of invading neighbouring countries, from Poland and Finland to Hungary and Czechoslovakia. I like how people somehow think that Russia is not like all those other imperialist countries, while being the biggest country in the world. They obviously got all that area peacefully and not by conquering numerous small nations.

I don't say that United States are completely innocent in all his because they aren't, but in the end Putin was the one who decided to send the tanks to Ukraine because they don't know anything about soft power and instead extending their influence to other countries by culture and economy, all they can do is to send tanks, which is a shame.



To answer OP; no, Russia won't become the next dominant superpower and instead it will probably end like USSR if they continue like this.
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If you say that the US is responsible for all that mess, that they use Ukraine as a proxy to weaken military and financial position of Russia, then why the US is also suffering from inflation, high prices on everything, and as I remember, they declined sending lots of weapons to support Ukraine, as well as allocate millions or billions of their budget on that war. Sort of a US attacking Russia and in the same make bad for themselves? That does not look logical to me.
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Like you, I always ask ONE simple question - and on the basis of what arguments did you decide that the United States has a desire to attack Russia? Why do they need it? What are the goals of such an action, in your opinion?
I beg you - just do not say "seize our resources" - this is really very funny! Smiley
And so, please answer this extremely simple question - what is the main goal of the US attack on Russia?
US is already attacking Russia but through a proxy called Ukraine. The reason is also pretty simple, competition. To put simply Russia was growing stronger while US was growing weaker so they needed to create an Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia so that they get caught for a long time like US did for 20 years and spent $7 trillion. Ukraine was a very good Afghanistan 2.0.

It's also to destabilize the region, increase the energy cost (US is also selling its very expensive-to-extract oil at a higher price), mess up Europe economy and force them to increase their military budget (something Trump couldn't do despite all his pressure), possibly move even further east (Finland and Sweden joining NATO), distract Russia from Syria so that US can revive ISIS again (which failed miserably), ...
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I believe Russia as a country has to face many obstacles before turning into a superpower, economically.
Granted, the Klemlin may suffer economically because the sanctions imposed upon them, however, in the long term Russia could adapt itselft and her economy to be more independient of USA and Europe, a small example of this is the way they have already replaced the old Macdonalds local with a new franchise, that may be welcomed by the Russian people.

Personally, a key part of the future of Russia is her allies and potential clients for the energy: China, North Korea, India...

For now, I'd say that Russia is not in the way to turn into a superpower, they must be trying to find ways to become less affected by the western politics against them.
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I'm sure this is not a good idea, the economic and military strength of the USA and Europe is still stronger than Russia, the best thing done by Russia is certainly looking for security and support from many countries before embargo to the USA, because without the support of other countries it is certainly very difficult for Russia to be the next superpower.
Russia has oil and fuel and USA will never dare to attack Russia. Russia is not weak like Afghanistan. Even Afghanistan survived the war for 20 years and kicked USA out after 20 years. They were so determined that they did not give up and finally USA had to leave in hurry. USA should learn from their mistake but they are making the same mistake -they just want to rule the world.

Like you, I always ask ONE simple question - and on the basis of what arguments did you decide that the United States has a desire to attack Russia? Why do they need it? What are the goals of such an action, in your opinion?
I beg you - just do not say "seize our resources" - this is really very funny! Smiley
And so, please answer this extremely simple question - what is the main goal of the US attack on Russia?
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I'm sure this is not a good idea, the economic and military strength of the USA and Europe is still stronger than Russia, the best thing done by Russia is certainly looking for security and support from many countries before embargo to the USA, because without the support of other countries it is certainly very difficult for Russia to be the next superpower.
Russia has oil and fuel and USA will never dare to attack Russia. Russia is not weak like Afghanistan. Even Afghanistan survived the war for 20 years and kicked USA out after 20 years. They were so determined that they did not give up and finally USA had to leave in hurry. USA should learn from their mistake but they are making the same mistake -they just want to rule the world.
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I'm sure this is not a good idea, the economic and military strength of the USA and Europe is still stronger than Russia, the best thing done by Russia is certainly looking for security and support from many countries before embargo to the USA, because without the support of other countries it is certainly very difficult for Russia to be the next superpower.
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Russia has a power that can be a super power replacing the USA, a thing that can prevent Russia from becoming a super power because the USA has allies scattered almost all over the world so it will be difficult to defeat the USA, a realistic thing to do is to be a counterweight for the world so that the world becomes safer.
Replacing USA is not just about money or resources. USA could have literally zero resources left, and they could print more money and buy those resources and still be the superpower. USA doesn't really provide that much to the world if you think about it, what are they really giving back to the world?

As an "item" most of them are tech stuff, what is it apple? tesla? amazon? These all can move in a single day, the wheat or oil or gas Russia has can't. Even with that, USA is still number one because everyone would love to get paid in dollars instead of ruble. That is the power of USA and that cannot be replaced, you need to convince every person in the world for that.
But I assume - Russia has already taken a stand and stood an eye to eye to USA.
A part for Russia - Afghanistan also did not give up against USA. And they gave them tough time for almost 20 years. If USA believe they are super power then there is a dire to think what Russia and Afghanistan has done with USA.
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Russia has a power that can be a super power replacing the USA, a thing that can prevent Russia from becoming a super power because the USA has allies scattered almost all over the world so it will be difficult to defeat the USA, a realistic thing to do is to be a counterweight for the world so that the world becomes safer.
Replacing USA is not just about money or resources. USA could have literally zero resources left, and they could print more money and buy those resources and still be the superpower. USA doesn't really provide that much to the world if you think about it, what are they really giving back to the world?

As an "item" most of them are tech stuff, what is it apple? tesla? amazon? These all can move in a single day, the wheat or oil or gas Russia has can't. Even with that, USA is still number one because everyone would love to get paid in dollars instead of ruble. That is the power of USA and that cannot be replaced, you need to convince every person in the world for that.
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