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Conspiracy theories, ten-year plans, the fifth column... All this is very familiar to those who lived in a rotten scoop Smiley Instead of actually doing something and changing for the better, they only had the mind and strength to throw mud at those who are better and invent fantastic stories to justify their problems...
Go on, it's nice to read you as a comedian ... As I understand it - a glorious continuation, the Zadornov school? He also weaved the same from the stage Smiley

I am not sure what are other people belief but to me Russia will emerge as next Dominant Superpower.
See how they have taken the stand against the whole world to have their wish fulfilled. They are absolutely not afraid of anything. They did what they wanted.
We will see many things unpredictable in coming days.
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Yes, Ukrainian servicemen participated, but
- after the end of the US military operation in Iraq
- in a peacekeeping mission.
The point is that the double standards you clearly pointed out in your comment are the reason why Ukraine is currently in this situation. Iraq and Ukraine as two sides of the same coin. Bloodthirsty aggressors are different* but the result is the same, innocent civilians are harmed in both cases.
The same world with the same double standards and same mechanisms and same useless organizations has led to this. Like useless United Nations that has had US vetoing every resolution against their actions and actions of the apartheid regimes they support is now being abused by Russia to veto the resolutions against their actions!

* Ukraine was part of it whether the propaganda you believe tells you or not. I don't have to read some propaganda piece you call "open sources" to know the crimes that were committed there, I have first hand information from people who lived through those days.

2. The story of Iraq is the price of a mistake. A very costly mistake. The stuffing of misinformation was done deliberately or not, or it was the personal interests of someone from the tops in the White House, I find it difficult to say. But I think the main reason - in terms of the quality of information, is unacceptable. It also seems to me that the way of isolating the government of Iraq (S. Hussein and his henchmen), sanctions and embargoes would be more acceptable. By the way, after this, I will say this word again, international dubious operation, the practice of monopoly supply of intelligence information from the CIA ceased in the United States. Now this structure includes, if I am not mistaken, about 10 unrelated and independent intelligence structures from which information is collected for the US administration. In a word, I have a negative attitude towards such a decision, as well as any one built on a lie.
You are wrong my friend, it was not a mistake it was a decade long plan.
For starters the project to invade Iraq didn't start in 2003, it started in 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait and the same double standards I talked about showed themselves as he was condemned by the same countries (that included your NATO) that were helping him in his invasion of Iran. And when I say help I'm talking about billions of dollars worth of weapons including chemical bombs made in US and Germany. He was an ally from 1980 to 1988 but as soon as he was defeated the tables turned and he suddenly became a dictator overnight and condemned when he invaded another country 2 years later.
Besides US attacked Iraq more than a hundred times prior to 2003 always targeting Iraq's defending capabilities alongside the project called "Iraq disarmament" orchestrated by UN between 1990 to 2003. You don't need access to some classified information to know what the plan was!!!

Conspiracy theories, ten-year plans, the fifth column... All this is very familiar to those who lived in a rotten scoop Smiley Instead of actually doing something and changing for the better, they only had the mind and strength to throw mud at those who are better and invent fantastic stories to justify their problems...
Go on, it's nice to read you as a comedian ... As I understand it - a glorious continuation, the Zadornov school? He also weaved the same from the stage Smiley

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Russia has a power that can be a super power replacing the USA, a thing that can prevent Russia from becoming a super power because the USA has allies scattered almost all over the world so it will be difficult to defeat the USA, a realistic thing to do is to be a counterweight for the world so that the world becomes safer.
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After this war, which Russia unleashed in Ukraine, if the Russian Federation does not fall apart as a state, then it will definitely have to forget about the status of a superpower for a long time. Russia is now clearly playing the role of an aggressor that attacked a neighboring peaceful country, inventing and repeatedly changing the reasons for attacking it on the go. Therefore, almost the entire civilized world now supports Ukraine and provides it with military, financial and humanitarian assistance. The genocide of the Ukrainian people that the Russians perpetrated in Ukraine will cost them dearly. If, as planned, the frozen Russian assets are transferred to Ukraine as compensation for the damage caused to it, and international sanctions continue to apply, Russia will be set back in its development for many decades and will be a pariah country, like North Korea is now.
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Both the USSR and USA enjoyed the luxury of surviving World War II with their territories and economies largely intact. Profiting handsomely by loaning capital to other nations to rebuild. While the rest of the world toiled under debt and reconstruction efforts.

To avoid this, I think the united states would do well to keep its economy strong. As a hedge against russian encroachment. There isn't much alternative deterrent.


This point here rules out the fact that Russia can become the next dominant superpower in the world.
As we see that the USA is one country that tries as much to avoid wars and conflicts which they are well aware can lead to economic depreciation. While Russia on the other hand seems not to care what goes on and what doesn't in their economic status.



If global markets are devastated by a crisis, russia is (in my opinion) the number #1 prospect to emerge as the next dominant superpower.

This statement here can be backed by this as we see here that the opposing movement of the Russian rubble has caused alarm to the American Economists hence the post.
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If we look on the current world from finances point of view, Russia is now spending a lot on something that wont give any financial profit in future, while countries like China are getting more rich. More possibly China would become a next superpower than Russia. They have more money now, population is greater, they are better at trading and producing stuff, in case they dont have anything, they can buy it, take apart and make a copy.
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I think while we are seeing the outer limits of what Vladimir Putin and his army are capable of, we still need to consider whether or not further provocations are even helpful or just add more death and chaos. Unless everything until now that we saw was just Russia throwing their unneeded arsenal, leftovers from the old age.

Either way, we need more diplomacy instead of more war. Americans prefer fighting to the last Ukrainian in order to weaken Russia.
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Russia occupies an unusual position on the world stage. Under President Vladimir Putin, Moscow has repeatedly demonstrated that it has the capacity to destabilize the international order, most recently with its brutal invasion of Ukraine. Currently, only the United States fulfills the criteria to be considered a superpower.

However, the United States is no longer the only uncontested foremost superpower and the world’s sole hyperpower to dominate in every domain (i.e. military, culture, economy, technology, diplomatic). Russia, the world’s largest nation, is home to over 30% of the world’s natural resources according to some sources. So, given the statistics, they can definitely emerge. The current holders of the position need to exhibit strong solidarity, otherwise, Russia can always emerge.

My country PM was on the trip to Russia - when the Russian attacked Ukraine.
And the whole country is in trouble - because of USA pressure and we are suffering so much loose in economy. What did Russia do to the world - they are not friends with anyone, they think of themselves only
The story that was posted for being the reason why the Russian government did all those things they did to Ukraine might entirely be different from the main reason why whatever transpired did. But, whatever reason it was doesn’t justify the action the Russians took against a fellow nation  they’ve shared things in common.

Given the actions they took, it’s only right that the consequences be that they fail to dominate because they might do something that would shock the world.
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Yes, Ukrainian servicemen participated, but
- after the end of the US military operation in Iraq
- in a peacekeeping mission.
The point is that the double standards you clearly pointed out in your comment are the reason why Ukraine is currently in this situation. Iraq and Ukraine as two sides of the same coin. Bloodthirsty aggressors are different* but the result is the same, innocent civilians are harmed in both cases.
The same world with the same double standards and same mechanisms and same useless organizations has led to this. Like useless United Nations that has had US vetoing every resolution against their actions and actions of the apartheid regimes they support is now being abused by Russia to veto the resolutions against their actions!

* Ukraine was part of it whether the propaganda you believe tells you or not. I don't have to read some propaganda piece you call "open sources" to know the crimes that were committed there, I have first hand information from people who lived through those days.

2. The story of Iraq is the price of a mistake. A very costly mistake. The stuffing of misinformation was done deliberately or not, or it was the personal interests of someone from the tops in the White House, I find it difficult to say. But I think the main reason - in terms of the quality of information, is unacceptable. It also seems to me that the way of isolating the government of Iraq (S. Hussein and his henchmen), sanctions and embargoes would be more acceptable. By the way, after this, I will say this word again, international dubious operation, the practice of monopoly supply of intelligence information from the CIA ceased in the United States. Now this structure includes, if I am not mistaken, about 10 unrelated and independent intelligence structures from which information is collected for the US administration. In a word, I have a negative attitude towards such a decision, as well as any one built on a lie.
You are wrong my friend, it was not a mistake it was a decade long plan.
For starters the project to invade Iraq didn't start in 2003, it started in 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait and the same double standards I talked about showed themselves as he was condemned by the same countries (that included your NATO) that were helping him in his invasion of Iran. And when I say help I'm talking about billions of dollars worth of weapons including chemical bombs made in US and Germany. He was an ally from 1980 to 1988 but as soon as he was defeated the tables turned and he suddenly became a dictator overnight and condemned when he invaded another country 2 years later.
Besides US attacked Iraq more than a hundred times prior to 2003 always targeting Iraq's defending capabilities alongside the project called "Iraq disarmament" orchestrated by UN between 1990 to 2003. You don't need access to some classified information to know what the plan was!!!
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During World War II the world's major powers were bombed back to the stone age. With the exception of two nations. Russia and the united states. This set the stage for america and russia to emerge as the world's dominant superpowers leading into the cold war, korean war and vietnam war which followed.

Both the USSR and USA enjoyed the luxury of surviving World War II with their territories and economies largely intact. Profiting handsomely by loaning capital to other nations to rebuild. While the rest of the world toiled under debt and reconstruction efforts.

Looking at the current era a similar trend could emerge. America, the european union and china all carry large ratios of debt to GDP close to 100%. Russia's debt to GDP ratio is by far the smallest of any major power at around 20%. If a major recession hit global markets a case could be made for russia's government and economy being best structured to weather it. Russia is one of the most self sufficient nations in terms of raw materials, food and energy production. Russia also has many other world powers reliant and dependent on them for natural gas and other resources.

Long story short russia has many advantages over the USA, EU and china if an economic crisis hits.

If global markets are devastated by a crisis, russia is (in my opinion) the number #1 prospect to emerge as the next dominant superpower.

To avoid this, I think the united states would do well to keep its economy strong. As a hedge against russian encroachment. There isn't much alternative deterrent.

While russia's invasion of ukraine has stalled. Russia isn't trying very hard. They don't have to. They simply have to wait for the next big economic crisis when free money and support thrown at ukraine can no longer be funded. Then resistance may well crumble.

The best deterrent against invasion and war may be a strong economy with enough liquidity to make invasion too high priced too consider. Our current era with high deficits and weak economies could be interpreted as an open invitation for ambitious regimes like russia to invade us.

On the plus side if russia is the next dominant superpower they may be bitcoin friendly. At least that would be one positive thing we might look forward to in the horror show that could be the future.

In my opinion, Russia has no chance of becoming a new superpower. 

The main problem is a very bad demographic situation. 

Russia is a state with a constantly decreasing titular nation.  Russians in Russia will gradually be replaced by residents of Central Asia, but even immigration is not able to solve the demographic issue. 

Russia is not the USSR.  The USSR is Russia plus 14 more union republics (including Ukraine) plus the countries of the Union for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA), including the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia and others. 

Modern Russia is a regional country with very bad governance and big problems.
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NATO, as an international organization,
NATO is a European organization that includes US, not an international one.

the Russian terrorists
Since you've been using this term regularly I wonder what your views are on the US led coalition that illegally invaded Iraq and killed more than a million innocent people. Your country, Ukraine was part of this coalition and supplied the third largest number of troops for this massacre.


1. Tell me - did you get an education?  No, no offense? Now I will show why such a question.
NATO is a military-political bloc that unites most of the countries of Europe, the United States of America and Canada. It was founded on April 4, 1949 in the USA with the aim of opposing the USSR / Warsaw Pact.

International - means relating to communications, relations between peoples, countries. NATO is an alliance that forms interaction between many countries and peoples - Europe, the USA, Canada. If it were a union within the EU, and the EU for your understanding is 27 different countries, it would still be international Smiley

2. The story of Iraq is the price of a mistake. A very costly mistake. The stuffing of misinformation was done deliberately or not, or it was the personal interests of someone from the tops in the White House, I find it difficult to say. But I think the main reason - in terms of the quality of information, is unacceptable. It also seems to me that the way of isolating the government of Iraq (S. Hussein and his henchmen), sanctions and embargoes would be more acceptable. By the way, after this, I will say this word again, international dubious operation, the practice of monopoly supply of intelligence information from the CIA ceased in the United States. Now this structure includes, if I am not mistaken, about 10 unrelated and independent intelligence structures from which information is collected for the US administration. In a word, I have a negative attitude towards such a decision, as well as any one built on a lie.
About the participation of Ukraine. Yes, Ukrainian servicemen participated, but
- after the end of the US military operation in Iraq
- in a peacekeeping mission. Those. did not take part in the fighting. This is all in open sources, I recommend that you read it. The tasks were set solely to maintain order, patrol, etc. actions. These tasks were carried out by the 5th separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 19th separate Ukrainian battalion of radiation, chemical and bacteriological protection.

I just don’t understand what the United States and the international coalition have to do with it, if we are talking about TERRORISM in Ukraine, which was staged by Russia? The parallels are very weak, or you do not quite know what is happening in Ukraine now "thanks" to Russia ...
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Russia a superpower? This is a superpower that is putting chips from dishwashers into their tanks because they're out of military grade stuff.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-says-russia-using-chips-from-dishwashers-in-tanks-sanctions-2022-5?IR=T

Russia used to be a superpower because it had nuclear weapons and that's what the world was afraid of. They were also flexing a lot and showing off their warships and jets, but we can see now what these are worth if a fleet flagship equipped with 3 types of anti missile weapons cannot even detect an incoming missile and gets sunk, soldiers abandon tanks because they have no fuel and they're found eating military rations that expired 5 years ago.
So many things are happening which we don't even have idea on. The Russian soldiers that was send to Ukraine to fight war was never equiped to enough ammunition, food and fuel. Maybe Putin thought to invade Ukraine would not take more than a week but now, it looks impossible to overtake Ukraine without speeding more and losing the live of the Russian soldiers.

The Russian economy may looks like it is still strong and unshakable buy the truth had to be told here. The sanctions on the Russian economy had weaken Putin to reduce it wings of exercising more muscles.
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No matter how much the Western media want to twist the fact, the reality is that a majority of the people in Eastern Ukraine are not happy with the Zelensky regime. The only way a polarized nation such as Ukraine can exist is by electing someone who is acceptable to both the sides. And this is not something they have done ever since Yanukovych was ousted from power. With each passing year, the Western Ukrainian politicians were imposing more and more of their views and policies on the Easterners.
Like him or not, he wasn't the person who attacked another nation, that is the situation. Just because half of the nation doesn't like Zelensky doesn't mean that Putin is welcomed to attack and kill and destroy half of the nation and get those lands, there is no logic there at all. We have a president that half of us hate as well, does that mean our neighbor nations should attack us and "save us from him" type of situation? Of course not, that would be the most stupidest thing ever.

I am sure that killing innocent people NEVER has a good reason and that means whatever we see on this war, all done by Putin and because of him and he is the real criminal that should be dethroned.
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War is not a computer game to have an easy outcome.
US invaded Afghanistan more than 20 years ago and spent $7 trillion and couldn't achieve anything at all there. They were fighting cavemen (literally) who had no airforce, no radar, no missiles, no tanks, so support from any other country, not even half decent weapons.
In comparison Ukraine has a military, has airforce, radars, tanks, missiles, and receives billions of dollars of support.

The goal was never to occupy entire Ukraine. The goal was to annex east and south of Ukraine that are strategically important to Russia and leave the rest. Half of Ukraine doesn't want Russia while the other half does. They can never rule over that first half, so they would remove Zelensky with someone who that other half can accept but is at the very least anti-NATO if not pro-Russia. The first part of the plan is already over.
Funny enough, this is similar to what US tried to do in Afghanistan and failed because unlike Ukraine, nobody wanted US in Afghanistan so they were kicked out in defeat.

Well explained. No matter how much the Western media want to twist the fact, the reality is that a majority of the people in Eastern Ukraine are not happy with the Zelensky regime. The only way a polarized nation such as Ukraine can exist is by electing someone who is acceptable to both the sides. And this is not something they have done ever since Yanukovych was ousted from power. With each passing year, the Western Ukrainian politicians were imposing more and more of their views and policies on the Easterners.

You don't confuse anything? Well, at least in the chronology of what is happening? Dissatisfaction with Kyiv, among some, pro-Russian (I focus on this group of attention) part of the population of the eastern regions of Ukraine, arose after we drove away the thief and the Kremlin prostitute - Yanukovych. Who tried to arrange a totalitarian regime here, and violate the constitution! And some of the pro-Russian forces, at first, raised a tantrum due to the fact that they "expelled our president." After that, even before the active phase of separatism, Russia annexed Crimea. And Zelensky was elected in Ukraine only in 2019, when the war had already been going on for 5 years... Since 2014, Ukraine has been confronting both local separatists and Russian terrorists.
Tell me - isn't India fighting its separatists? Have you created a Sikh state in your territory? Or let Kashmir go to Pakistan? Well, why should we make concessions to the separatists?
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NATO, as an international organization,
NATO is a European organization that includes US, not an international one.

the Russian terrorists
Since you've been using this term regularly I wonder what your views are on the US led coalition that illegally invaded Iraq and killed more than a million innocent people. Your country, Ukraine was part of this coalition and supplied the third largest number of troops for this massacre.
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My country PM was on the trip to Russia - when the Russian attacked Ukraine.
And the whole country is in trouble - because of USA pressure and we are suffering so much loose in economy. What did Russia do to the world - they are not friends with anyone, they think of themselves only

The Pakistan PM (at that time Imran Khan) was in Russia at the time when the latter invaded Ukraine. The Americans were angry because Imran put up a few tweets supporting the invasion. He later claimed that the CIA organized the rebellion within his party which saw him losing the post of Prime Minister. According to Imran, the reason was that he continued with crude oil and wheat purchases from Russia. But then, the new government also continued with the same policy. A few days back, it was decided to import 2 million tonnes of wheat from Russia.
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It included the USSR, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Albania (I don't seem to have forgotten anyone). This nonsense of Putin is their goal! More precisely, Putin! And he realizes all this with the lives of Russians worthless for him. And any totalitarian-terrorist-kleptomaniac regime always "devours itself".
My country PM was on the trip to Russia - when the Russian attacked Ukraine.
And the whole country is in trouble - because of USA pressure and we are suffering so much loose in economy. What did Russia do to the world - they are not friends with anyone, they think of themselves only
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because I would have thought they'd have owned Ukraine within the first two days of an invasion.  These days I'm never quite sure what to believe when I see it on the news.
War is not a computer game to have an easy outcome.
US invaded Afghanistan more than 20 years ago and spent $7 trillion and couldn't achieve anything at all there. They were fighting cavemen (literally) who had no airforce, no radar, no missiles, no tanks, so support from any other country, not even half decent weapons.
In comparison Ukraine has a military, has airforce, radars, tanks, missiles, and receives billions of dollars of support.

The goal was never to occupy entire Ukraine. The goal was to annex east and south of Ukraine that are strategically important to Russia and leave the rest. Half of Ukraine doesn't want Russia while the other half does. They can never rule over that first half, so they would remove Zelensky with someone who that other half can accept but is at the very least anti-NATO if not pro-Russia. The first part of the plan is already over.
Funny enough, this is similar to what US tried to do in Afghanistan and failed because unlike Ukraine, nobody wanted US in Afghanistan so they were kicked out in defeat.


Question from a citizen of Ukraine, who has worked in the eastern regions for almost 10 years.
Well, for starters, let's discard the forcibly implanted narrative that in the east they don't want to be part of Ukraine, but they want to be in Russia, or against the Ukrainian language, or someone banned the Russian language. It's all 100% false! If you want, I'll tell you separately what reality looks like on these issues.
So. the eastern and southern regions do not want to go to Russia. They want to live peacefully and develop in Ukraine. And in order for you to understand the real situation, you need to remember one historical fact! From the 30s to the 70s of the last century, the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine were essentially subjected to genocide, and a significant part of the Ukrainian population was either destroyed or evicted to the far east of the Republic of the RSFSR (now it is Russia), and they were settled in their place ... Guess who? That's right - immigrants from the territory of Russia! That is why there are a noticeable number of pro-Russian (specifically pro-Russian) separatists in these areas. But they are by no means the majority! It was a small digression into history.

Regarding NATO - I will say this, NATO, as an international organization, showed itself in a critical situation ... NO WAY! More precisely, not at all as a defense alliance, against any aggressor or global terrorist! And I'm not sure that now Ukraine will strive to join this union, because. NATO, with its formality, will tie us hand and foot, and we will not be able, in the future, to immediately respond to risks from Russia (if it remains after losing the war to Ukraine). And this means that the factor dividing Ukrainians, in your opinion, is likely to disappear. Also, after the victory over the Russian terrorists, most of the separatists will disappear from the territory of Ukraine. This means that there will be no separating factors in Ukraine, or their influence will be minimal.

Well, about the goals of Russia. Well, let's assume you're right. They need the eastern and southern regions. The question is - why are they now just totally destroying EVERYTHING? If they needed industrial infrastructure, Russian terrorists destroyed it themselves. If they needed a loyal population, they destroyed it, and crippled the lives of those who remained alive. It turns out they need bare land with ruins and mass graves? Well, it's stupid really. And I'll tell you, the answer to the question of what Russia needs, in Putin's feverish delirium, is his "my path", which he recently announced - the restoration of the USSR-2, the restoration of "greatness", right up to the borders of the Warsaw Pact. The Warsaw Pact is an adversary of NATO, the majority of whose participants are now praying that only the "Russian world" will not return to them. It included the USSR, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Albania (I don't seem to have forgotten anyone). This nonsense of Putin is their goal! More precisely, Putin! And he realizes all this with the lives of Russians worthless for him. And any totalitarian-terrorist-kleptomaniac regime always "devours itself".
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What Russia did with an invasion to Ukranina certainly had conducted a deep study, the USA was experiencing a crisis of economic inflation and a lot of losses from the war that had been carried out, China continued to grow and stronger the economy and the military so that if there was a world war then China would help Russia Many analysts believe that if the invasion of Ukraine is successful, the country around the country such as Slovenia, Georgia, Latvia and so on will be the next target.
Even if the targets are attacked and they are destroyed, even if Russia starts to just kill everyone who is against them, I can guarantee you that eventually they will fail. How I know this? Because, no nation in the history of the world kept on attacking all the time and never lost and had to stop.

All nations that attacked somewhere else, eventually found resistance one day and they had to stop. Russia will be stopped, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe 10 years from now, but eventually they will be stopped. That is why I believe that we should be going the route of making the defence as dense as possible and make sure that they can't keep this going forever.
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War is not a computer game to have an easy outcome.
US invaded Afghanistan more than 20 years ago and spent $7 trillion and couldn't achieve anything at all there. They were fighting cavemen (literally) who had no airforce, no radar, no missiles, no tanks, so support from any other country, not even half decent weapons.
In comparison Ukraine has a military, has airforce, radars, tanks, missiles, and receives billions of dollars of support.

The goal was never to occupy entire Ukraine. The goal was to annex east and south of Ukraine that are strategically important to Russia and leave the rest. Half of Ukraine doesn't want Russia while the other half does. They can never rule over that first half, so they would remove Zelensky with someone who that other half can accept but is at the very least anti-NATO if not pro-Russia. The first part of the plan is already over.
Funny enough, this is similar to what US tried to do in Afghanistan and failed because unlike Ukraine, nobody wanted US in Afghanistan so they were kicked out in defeat.

Well explained. No matter how much the Western media want to twist the fact, the reality is that a majority of the people in Eastern Ukraine are not happy with the Zelensky regime. The only way a polarized nation such as Ukraine can exist is by electing someone who is acceptable to both the sides. And this is not something they have done ever since Yanukovych was ousted from power. With each passing year, the Western Ukrainian politicians were imposing more and more of their views and policies on the Easterners.
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