Topic: Will Trump be indicted ? - page 13. (Read 3358 times)

And do we know whether the documents were declassified or not besides what the federal government claims? Trump's attorney's were in contact with the feds. Is there evidence that Trump's attorney's were not in cooperation and ceased communications?

The National Archives is an institution, not a person. I don't expect any detailed specifics from them.

Andrew Cuomo seems concerned about this: https://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1556990308424028163

If it's this bad that someone like Cuomo is the contrarian, you know the DoJ has gone rogue.


Drunken statements were the start of an investigation that lasted 4 years, expended no less than 50 million USD, and resulted in zero charges related to coordination, collusion, or cooperation with the Russians. You don't unironically believe this do you?


Right, was useless. Which is why the FBI interviewed Steele and used him as a sub source for FISA warrants: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/February%209,%202017%20Electronic%20Communication.pdf

IG released a lengthy report on the matter - https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Investigation was a sham.
 


I don't particularly care about Trump. I figured after 4 years of the media lying to you about Trump/Russian collusion you'd catch on that they don't actually have anything on him, and are attacking him because of political animus.


I don't have any problem with Clinton's emails. It was merely part and parcel of her incompetence. I am only pointing out the double standard. Because it seems only years later that the left is concerned about classified information. You all didn't care much then.

When Trump's children disobey a subpoena from Congress, use bleach bit to delete thousands of emails, and have classified information from private email servers hacked, then perhaps you might have a suitable comparison.


Yes. It is wrong to mistreat classified information. I also would call it contemptable to raid Hillary Clinton's private home with armed FBI agents under authority of the federal government from the opposing party. Seem unreasonable?

(also, they were very concerned)

(also, also, the current director of the FBI was hand picked by Trump)

So... is it wrong or not? Or is it only wrong when Hillary does it? As is typical with whataboutism "defense" you need to admit that the person you're defending is wrong, or that the aforementioned whataboutism is useless here. Which is it?

Yeah.  By ask nicely, I mean without a subpoena or search warrant.  Google statements by the National Archives.




Well that's objectively false.

The investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia was started because George Papadopoulos got drunk and bragged about Russia having dirt on Hillary Clinton to an Australian diplomat who then informed US intelligence.  

There were a bunch of other red flags, like Trumps decision to chair his campaign with the same guy that helped Viktor Yanukovych get elected in Ukraine.  You know, the President that was run out of the country for putting Russia before his own.

The idea that the Steel dossier was what started the investigation, or even that it was useful to the FBI is ridiculous.  The only reason you think it's true is because Trump said it over and over and you've decided to be willfully ignorant by refusing to do your own objective research.  It's a lie.  It's not based in reality.  

Yeah, I think he's about as trustworthy as a AG can get.


And I'm sure I'm going to keep hearing these lame, vague attempts to defend Trump since approaching the case rationally only leads to conclusions that you don't want to be true.

So you still have a problem with Hillarys handling of emails, while at the same time defending Trump keeping boxes of classified documents in his basement....I'm sure your opinion has nothing to do with the fact you just don't like Democrats.

How about Trumps own daughter and son in law using gmail accounts from her official White House office?  Wouldn't it be better they used personal servers than give access to a liberal third party mega corporation?

Are you aware that they "asked him nicely"? Or that they even asked at all? Who is the source of these claims? Do you believe the same FBI that used oppo research sourced by Russians in 2016 which started Russia gate are to be trusted in their claims? Better yet, do you think Merrick Garland should be trusted?

Raiding the former President's private home for classified documents -- I'm sure this had nothing to do with politics. Apparently a 4 year Russian collusion witch hunt and two impeachments isn't enough. Raid the man's private home when he isn't President anymore, and then present some nonsensical cover story about classified documents. FBI didn't seem to concerned about classified documents on a private email server with Hillary Clinton, did they? Wonder what changed.

Oh you missed the part where the FBI had to physically go to his basement to recover classified documents that he stole and refused to return on the way out of the white house.

Or when he tried to convince the Governor and SS of Georgia to give him 11,780 votes so he wouldn't lose.

Or when he found out his crowd on Jan 6 was being reduced because so many had guns and there were metal detectors, he demanded the metal detectors be removed 'I don't fucking care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me'.  Then he ordered the crowd to march to the capital and fight like hell.  And while they were fighting like hell chanting 'hang mike pence' he tweeted "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution"

Then there's the electoral college fraud where he organized a bunch of republicans to submit fake electoral votes for him.

Oh and he also scammed $250 million from donors for a "stop the steal" fund that didn't exist to stop the democrats from stealing an election he knew wasn't stolen.


I expect the Trump supporters more intelligent than you (most of them around these parts) will have to resort to these type of vague defenses more and more in the coming weeks.  Maybe some of them will wake up, realize they're turning into BADecker and drop the cult mentality...who knows.

Indicted doesn't mean guilty. The whole scheme of anybody who is attacking Trump, has to do with reducing his popularity to such a low point that they have a chance of getting somebody else into the Presidency.

So far, the actions of his opponents is only serving to strengthen his popularity.

As I read or watched somewhere, this will get dragged through the courts as Trump has an army of lawyers and can afford it. And it will last so far as to him running for president again. And that's all if they find anything relevant ot accuse him.

Well, looks like some of the "classified" documents the FBI seized were "classified/top secret/sensitive compartmented information".  Basically as top secret as it gets.  He had boxes and boxes of them, sitting in his basement. And no, it doesn't matter if he declassified them

He could have given them back a year ago when they asked nicely.
Or a few months ago when he was subpoenaed.
Or a few weeks ago when officials flew down to ask in person.

And no, if the documents have anything to do with national security (which is what the warrant said), it doesn't matter if he declassified them (and he probably didn't actually declassify them).  Hiding sensitive government records related to national security in your basement is called espionage.

You've really got to be brainwashed or just have the most delicate ego to ever exist if you aren't able to lo admit that if this guy actually did half the things he's being accused of he should be in prison, not the White House.

In the coming months he could be realistically indicted in three separate cases:  

Federal charges for violations of the Pres Records and Espionage act
Federal charges for seditious conspiracy and defrauding the Government
State charges in Georgia for criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, racketeering and conspiracy






https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/12/us/politics/trump-search-warrant-document.html

Did you fall for the ridiculous Ray Epps conspiracy theory?  Or is there another one I missed.


What if....Trump did take a bunch of classified documents with him to Florida, and he only gave back some of them last year and refused to return the rest.  What do you think the FBI should do?  Should they recover the documents and hold him accountable?  Or just allow a civilian without the required security clearance keep classified documents?

What would you say if Biden stole a bunch of classified documents after Trump was reelected?

It is a little bit crazy that the FBI had people in the crowd encouraging the riot and are now using the riot as a reason to search a previous president's residence.  I don't understand why they are so afraid of Trump that they go through such lengths at the risk of being exposed for the corrupt participants of the system that they are.  I've never liked Trump as a person.  I think about the only thing he does right is his policies, but if you can't see that our government is engineering a recession and hiring IRS agents to squeeze the middle class into reliance on the government providing a universal income by now, you need to start thinking for yourself.  

Cool.  Are you saying he declassified everything before stealing it?  There's a process for declassifying documents that even Donald Trump would have to follow.  He can't just say "i declassified them back when I was president" If he declassified the documents, then all he has to worry about is stealing from the federal government, which, honestly probably isn't that much to worry about.  But I don't think the fbi would raid his home like that for declassified documents, and we already know that that the national archives had to go down to florida and retrieve 15 boxes of classified documents


Which was a violation of the Presidential Records Act.  When you're president, you don't get to keep stuff like that for yourself.


It's unprecedented for an outgoing president to steal classified documents.  If Trump is reelected, do you think Biden should be able to violate the presidential records act and just take whatever documents or gifts home with him without consequence?  Should the president be held accountable for breaking the law, or should the DOJ never hold former presidents accountable.