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February 06, 2020, 04:44:42 AM
That's a lot of money, if he manage to sell those ticket for $25 each he'd get 150M but those average citizens wont probably be interested because they have to spend money to store it, maintenance and pay a pilot to fly it and you'll only get 1 in 6M chance to win it. Why not just do a bidding with airline companies to raise and to sell it much more easily or collect proper taxes from business in their state and eliminate drug cartels that's destroying their economy.
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February 06, 2020, 04:03:50 AM
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First time seeing this thread and pretty much curious about the topic, and after seeing that the OP is stating that a plane is being raffled, well it is a good thing that the maintaining cost will be provided by the government that will be a big save after getting your hands on a plane, but in my opinion, this is not for all people if a normal person could get a hands-on this plane then I think this could carry a huge burden, and this is a sure exclusive for their countrymen only because the parking lot for this plane is an airport and ones can not afford an airport of his own right? might as well sell it in an auction or donate it for a common cause.

The maintenance cost will be paid by the government the first year or the first 2 years, they are not sure about this decision yet, but after that, the winner will be fucked up, because the maintenance cost is just too high for a simple mortal like us.
And that will lead for the winner for having no other option but to sell it back to the government or maybe to someone who has the capability to handle the expenses for this transportation vehicle.

Either way, that would be the case.

Also, I don't think we should even worry about this since the government of Mexico is still thinking about this lottery. The percentage of winning is low but the fact that the money I will be paying will be used for the good of their country, I will still buy a ticket.
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February 06, 2020, 03:28:46 AM
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if I had the opportunity to buy a ticket I would certainly be part of it. even though I'm almost afraid of winning Grin

I know that feeling... Is like winning a big prize but a big problem at the same time. The first year is free, but after that, this plain can ruin lives.

Most of the people who win big prizes at the lottery ruin their lives, is funny because we think a lot of money can solve or life but big amounts of money come always with big problems and responsibility.
I don't think the it could single-handedly ruin your life to be honest. After all it's just a plane, nothing too bad could happen to you. But the maintaining costs and all is definitely a big pain in the butt. Nonetheless, you could just easily fix this by selling the plane if ever or you can have it be rented in a local air liner for business or VIP class. In that way, you won't need to carry the burden of taking care of a luxury plane like that on your own. It's just a matter of thinking, and strategizing at the same time. You won't have to put yourself into that kind of dilemma on your own.

I would choose the selling route and use the fund for things I am really good at. Most likely things that I will do well in that benefit more people and are "profitable"... than from renting out the plane to benefit probably, few private jet users.
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February 06, 2020, 03:15:16 AM
Are they short in funds? Or in desparate need but doesn't want to loan to other countries?

Nevertheless, having a single ticket would onyl get you as far as 0.000016% of winning. Near zero value like this won't attract me that much.

Also, how are they so sure that 6M tickets would be sold? (Unless whales hoard tickets, or people there really does want a plane). Winning it also comes with another problem of selling it. Unless he is an experienced one, he might get into trouble for dealing and selling this property.
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February 06, 2020, 02:35:18 AM
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First time seeing this thread and pretty much curious about the topic, and after seeing that the OP is stating that a plane is being raffled, well it is a good thing that the maintaining cost will be provided by the government that will be a big save after getting your hands on a plane, but in my opinion, this is not for all people if a normal person could get a hands-on this plane then I think this could carry a huge burden, and this is a sure exclusive for their countrymen only because the parking lot for this plane is an airport and ones can not afford an airport of his own right? might as well sell it in an auction or donate it for a common cause.

The maintenance cost will be paid by the government the first year or the first 2 years, they are not sure about this decision yet, but after that, the winner will be fucked up, because the maintenance cost is just too high for a simple mortal like us.
And that will lead for the winner for having no other option but to sell it back to the government or maybe to someone who has the capability to handle the expenses for this transportation vehicle.
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February 05, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
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First time seeing this thread and pretty much curious about the topic, and after seeing that the OP is stating that a plane is being raffled, well it is a good thing that the maintaining cost will be provided by the government that will be a big save after getting your hands on a plane, but in my opinion, this is not for all people if a normal person could get a hands-on this plane then I think this could carry a huge burden, and this is a sure exclusive for their countrymen only because the parking lot for this plane is an airport and ones can not afford an airport of his own right? might as well sell it in an auction or donate it for a common cause.

The maintenance cost will be paid by the government the first year or the first 2 years, they are not sure about this decision yet, but after that, the winner will be fucked up, because the maintenance cost is just too high for a simple mortal like us.
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February 05, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
I don't think the it could single-handedly ruin your life to be honest. After all it's just a plane, nothing too bad could happen to you. But the maintaining costs and all is definitely a big pain in the butt. Nonetheless, you could just easily fix this by selling the plane if ever or you can have it be rented in a local air liner for business or VIP class. In that way, you won't need to carry the burden of taking care of a luxury plane like that on your own. It's just a matter of thinking, and strategizing at the same time. You won't have to put yourself into that kind of dilemma on your own.
It has been said that maintaining cost is being handled by the government for 1yr , so there will be no problem for that you just need to win that ticket and then you dont need tl worry about everything. Sell the plane after winning it, it will be okay, or just put it in a raffle again so that you will get more money, you can whatever you want once you WIN in that raffle.

First time seeing this thread and pretty much curious about the topic, and after seeing that the OP is stating that a plane is being raffled, well it is a good thing that the maintaining cost will be provided by the government that will be a big save after getting your hands on a plane, but in my opinion, this is not for all people if a normal person could get a hands-on this plane then I think this could carry a huge burden, and this is a sure exclusive for their countrymen only because the parking lot for this plane is an airport and ones can not afford an airport of his own right? might as well sell it in an auction or donate it for a common cause.

Maintenance free? Its impossible.

If you wont the plane then you do have the full responsibility of it, from maintenance to fuel consumption or even the parking space. The government
has nothing to get involved with  yet its already your possession.You wont really have any choice but to resell this plane or would consider to be
put up on some sort of investment.
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February 05, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
I don't think the it could single-handedly ruin your life to be honest. After all it's just a plane, nothing too bad could happen to you. But the maintaining costs and all is definitely a big pain in the butt. Nonetheless, you could just easily fix this by selling the plane if ever or you can have it be rented in a local air liner for business or VIP class. In that way, you won't need to carry the burden of taking care of a luxury plane like that on your own. It's just a matter of thinking, and strategizing at the same time. You won't have to put yourself into that kind of dilemma on your own.
It has been said that maintaining cost is being handled by the government for 1yr , so there will be no problem for that you just need to win that ticket and then you dont need tl worry about everything. Sell the plane after winning it, it will be okay, or just put it in a raffle again so that you will get more money, you can whatever you want once you WIN in that raffle.

First time seeing this thread and pretty much curious about the topic, and after seeing that the OP is stating that a plane is being raffled, well it is a good thing that the maintaining cost will be provided by the government that will be a big save after getting your hands on a plane, but in my opinion, this is not for all people if a normal person could get a hands-on this plane then I think this could carry a huge burden, and this is a sure exclusive for their countrymen only because the parking lot for this plane is an airport and ones can not afford an airport of his own right? might as well sell it in an auction or donate it for a common cause.
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February 05, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
I don't think the it could single-handedly ruin your life to be honest. After all it's just a plane, nothing too bad could happen to you. But the maintaining costs and all is definitely a big pain in the butt. Nonetheless, you could just easily fix this by selling the plane if ever or you can have it be rented in a local air liner for business or VIP class. In that way, you won't need to carry the burden of taking care of a luxury plane like that on your own. It's just a matter of thinking, and strategizing at the same time. You won't have to put yourself into that kind of dilemma on your own.
It has been said that maintaining cost is being handled by the government for 1yr , so there will be no problem for that you just need to win that ticket and then you dont need tl worry about everything. Sell the plane after winning it, it will be okay, or just put it in a raffle again so that you will get more money, you can whatever you want once you WIN in that raffle.
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February 05, 2020, 10:09:33 AM
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if I had the opportunity to buy a ticket I would certainly be part of it. even though I'm almost afraid of winning Grin

I know that feeling... Is like winning a big prize but a big problem at the same time. The first year is free, but after that, this plain can ruin lives.

Most of the people who win big prizes at the lottery ruin their lives, is funny because we think a lot of money can solve or life but big amounts of money come always with big problems and responsibility.
I don't think the it could single-handedly ruin your life to be honest. After all it's just a plane, nothing too bad could happen to you. But the maintaining costs and all is definitely a big pain in the butt. Nonetheless, you could just easily fix this by selling the plane if ever or you can have it be rented in a local air liner for business or VIP class. In that way, you won't need to carry the burden of taking care of a luxury plane like that on your own. It's just a matter of thinking, and strategizing at the same time. You won't have to put yourself into that kind of dilemma on your own.
legendary
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February 05, 2020, 07:28:00 AM
what would I do with a plane?
it's expensive to mantain, probably not so liquid to sell...

thanks, but no thanks, I'd prefer having my part in bitcoin Wink
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February 05, 2020, 05:49:22 AM
                                                     ~snip~

It's one in six million, to be more precise. But I like your assumption that the government could buy it back, and then arrange a new raffle. Do you know such examples from the past, btw? If I won this plane, I'd sell it half price at the first opportunity because it's not that easy to sell something for $65 million even if the real price for it is two times higher. It would be good for me, because $65 million is still a very good money, and it would be easy to do for the government with $150 million from the previous raffle.
that is a very bright idea and i haven't think of that from the very beginning i read this thread but right the government can even make the raffle favor them?

there can be some leaks about this if the government cheated the people right?i almost think that buying ticket if allow other country to participate but now?i am having a doubt because of the legitimacy of this.

maybe they must be transparent on this one or else sure critics will run after them.

I'm pretty sure, if they cheat it will leak sooner or later. Hopefully, they(government) know it too. But even if it was fair, I wouldn't participate with that ticket price($25). I personally don't understand the logic behind the decision to make the price of one ticket so high. Most of the lottery tickets around the world cost less than $3, and for a reason. The organizers know that they can attract more participants if the price of one ticket equals to what anyone can afford to lose.
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February 05, 2020, 04:26:25 AM
you don't want to think about running costs like maintenance and service with such a machine.
the additional costs like kerosene, taxes and airport fees are enough to not want to experience a single flight Grin

for such fun you have to be president, john travolta, abramovich or a member of the rolling stones... but then you can even upgrade to a boing 767 Cool

If the winner would be just an average joe then he would definitely re-sell that plane yet as said the cost of maintenance or even running that plane wont really be cheap.

So if you do think off sensibly then it would be much wiser to sell it rather than to keep it but the first question is, would you able to win it?  Grin

Man, its not really quite common to have these kind of prizes.
The problem is for sure most of the tickets will be bought by Businessman that has more money and wanted to have the plane in cheaper price so they would rather join the raffle then buying in directly

Yeah This is a raffle meaning everyone has a chance even you only buy 1 ticket but the higher chances when you have more tickets,and this is what the businessman's do and they tend to let this happen

We dont know if there is agreement from the president and those richest people so they can have fun and also they may have the chance owning this presidential plane.

If there is a raffle and the price is so huge, I think many people most of the time the businessman will grab the opportunity to take a lot of raffle tickets because, as a nature of the person, we want to get a lot of things with a lower price. That plane was so expensive, and you take single money to take the risk, and even there is a small amount of chance still it is better to grab the opportunity. If that news releases earlier, many people will buy the ticket, but for now, we can use the ticket to make some marketing strategy like selling the price of the ticket double still many people will buy those tickets because we are expecting will be got a private plane. Still it depends on the person if they will risk their money to have a presidential plane or keep those money and make a savings to buy their private plane too.
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February 04, 2020, 11:10:37 PM
you don't want to think about running costs like maintenance and service with such a machine.
the additional costs like kerosene, taxes and airport fees are enough to not want to experience a single flight Grin

for such fun you have to be president, john travolta, abramovich or a member of the rolling stones... but then you can even upgrade to a boing 767 Cool

If the winner would be just an average joe then he would definitely re-sell that plane yet as said the cost of maintenance or even running that plane wont really be cheap.

So if you do think off sensibly then it would be much wiser to sell it rather than to keep it but the first question is, would you able to win it?  Grin

Man, its not really quite common to have these kind of prizes.
The problem is for sure most of the tickets will be bought by Businessman that has more money and wanted to have the plane in cheaper price so they would rather join the raffle then buying in directly

Yeah This is a raffle meaning everyone has a chance even you only buy 1 ticket but the higher chances when you have more tickets,and this is what the businessman's do and they tend to let this happen

We dont know if there is agreement from the president and those richest people so they can have fun and also they may have the chance owning this presidential plane.
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February 04, 2020, 10:52:54 PM
this is how simple Mexican president is,he may want to use ordinary plane when traveling than using own Plane for the benefits of His countrymen .

imagine while almost all of the president in the world wanted to have own plane but this one wanted to sell his?salute for you .



but about the raffle?i think low class people will have second thoughts of buying raffle ticket because how can they afford to maintain that kind of luxurious thing if they gonna win.

This is absolute madness and makes no sense at all. I can understand auctioning, but raffle? Most normal people would get in serious trouble real quickly even if someone were to gave them the plane for free. Maintenance fees, parking fees, paying a fortune to someone to move it or pilot it, etc. There is only a few rich elite in the world that could actually do this, or airline companies.

Besides this is the type of politician that would sell the plane only to buy a new one later. I'd say its just a publicity stunt, trying to gain popularity over ignorance.

Turns out most presidents have a private plane because it ends up CHEAPER than using commercial airliners. Not only they have to move their (often large) delegations around, they also cannot be delayed or be fighting for seats and company timetables, availability, etc. He would end chartering (which is like renting a limo vs owning a car).

Also remember than in most cases the presidential plane belongs to the country, very often the Air Force, it is NOT the president's property and shouldn't be seen as such. Whoever succeeds him would likely use it, so its more like selling a national asset. He might as well order selling a couple fighter jets instead... Not sure how the Mexican system works or if the legislative branch has anything to say about it, but its probably presidential for him to be disposing of things that don't belong to him in the first place.

Most countries in Latin-America have this cursed political system where the president has way too much power, and when a "populist" get into power, all hell breaks lose (and can end like my country with the worst hyperinflation).
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February 04, 2020, 08:05:30 PM
The winner/winners will most likely need to sell It way below what it's claimed to be the cost... depending on the condition of the plane and its actual price in brand new condition.
 Kind of looks like a crafty way to get many people to contribute for public projects(if this's really for building new projects)

That is right. With the high cost to maintain the plane after 2 years, the winner will not be able to cover the cost if they don't have much money. They will sell the plane at any price but that will not too high as the real price of that plane. But that will not happen if that winner is already a rich person and they will be happy if they have a presidential plane, and that can give them prestige among their society.

strategy indeed because governments can be able to buy back it on the winner in  much cheaper price plus they already earn a cash from the sold tickets  . who knows , what if they will do a re raffle again using this plane    ?  .  the cycle will just keep on repeating but who gives a sh*t with it  .  as long as we already sell the plane for some money we can now be happy and can also buy everything we wanted to have   .  the only problem is if we can win a kind of raffle like this  because its also a one in a million chance

Yeah, if they cannot have the plane, they can sell it to other people who want that plane. They can get money without thinking about the plane. If they can have the money, that will help them to cover their life for a long time, and perhaps, they could live from that money without the need for hard work.

I heard in here, one person already wins a car, but he confuses about how he keeps that car in his house. So he decided to sell that car to any people who want to have that car and luckily, one person came to him and offer that person to buy that car. Although the price is not too high as a new car, that person satisfies with because the money is still big money for him.
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February 04, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
you don't want to think about running costs like maintenance and service with such a machine.
the additional costs like kerosene, taxes and airport fees are enough to not want to experience a single flight Grin

for such fun you have to be president, john travolta, abramovich or a member of the rolling stones... but then you can even upgrade to a boing 767 Cool

If the winner would be just an average joe then he would definitely re-sell that plane yet as said the cost of maintenance or even running that plane wont really be cheap.

So if you do think off sensibly then it would be much wiser to sell it rather than to keep it but the first question is, would you able to win it?  Grin

Man, its not really quite common to have these kind of prizes.
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February 04, 2020, 10:13:59 AM

It's one in six million, to be more precise. But I like your assumption that the government could buy it back, and then arrange a new raffle. Do you know such examples from the past, btw? If I won this plane, I'd sell it half price at the first opportunity because it's not that easy to sell something for $65 million even if the real price for it is two times higher. It would be good for me, because $65 million is still a very good money, and it would be easy to do for the government with $150 million from the previous raffle.
Does the plane is still on raffle? I want to join as well, I think for me it is better not to sell it, I will make it for rent, will offer it to some tourist or airline company for a lower price but for a long term rent. So that I will have even a small earnings but for a lifetime if ever. I'd rather make it that way since if I will be given a chance to won, even I bet only a 25$ it could be a big profit for me.

The Mexican president says he will define this week about the raffle. So, is almost a reality... I will post the president's decision after he decides if raffle the plain or not.

And i will try to investigate the clausules of the raffle, would be good to know what will happen if someone outside of Mexico can win the raffle.
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February 04, 2020, 09:50:28 AM

It's one in six million, to be more precise. But I like your assumption that the government could buy it back, and then arrange a new raffle. Do you know such examples from the past, btw? If I won this plane, I'd sell it half price at the first opportunity because it's not that easy to sell something for $65 million even if the real price for it is two times higher. It would be good for me, because $65 million is still a very good money, and it would be easy to do for the government with $150 million from the previous raffle.
Does the plane is still on raffle? I want to join as well, I think for me it is better not to sell it, I will make it for rent, will offer it to some tourist or airline company for a lower price but for a long term rent. So that I will have even a small earnings but for a lifetime if ever. I'd rather make it that way since if I will be given a chance to won, even I bet only a 25$ it could be a big profit for me.
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February 04, 2020, 08:33:50 AM
                                                     ~snip~

It's one in six million, to be more precise. But I like your assumption that the government could buy it back, and then arrange a new raffle. Do you know such examples from the past, btw? If I won this plane, I'd sell it half price at the first opportunity because it's not that easy to sell something for $65 million even if the real price for it is two times higher. It would be good for me, because $65 million is still a very good money, and it would be easy to do for the government with $150 million from the previous raffle.
that is a very bright idea and i haven't think of that from the very beginning i read this thread but right the government can even make the raffle favor them?

there can be some leaks about this if the government cheated the people right?i almost think that buying ticket if allow other country to participate but now?i am having a doubt because of the legitimacy of this.

maybe they must be transparent on this one or else sure critics will run after them.
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