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he actually responded to this issue a few pages back.  Shouldn't take too much time to find & he explains why he did this Smiley

OK find this:
"Exposing the copper on the bottom will increase the thermal coupling but i want to keep the heat sinks isolated.
(Important for water cooling, electrical corrosion)"

Well it makes difficult to solder heatsink on painted surface and using stripper will remove all paint. Not good. Electrical corrosion blah. If use same ground no broblem or use non conducting coolant.


You don't solder on heatsinks, you use thermal pads or paste..  If you could solder them on, then almost by definition they aren't good heatsinks.

He's probably asking this because he either has experience or has heard that good conductive solder will beat thermal paste or thermal pads in performance. Intel Ivy bridge Cpu line used thermal paste on their chip line which was different from the past when they normally solder the heat spreader to the die. You'd install the intel heatsink (or better aftermarket one) with thermal paste between the heatsink and chip spreader. So many enthusiasts were pissed about this on computer forums that they would pry the heat spreader off (voiding there warranties) and use a high quality thermal paste between the cpu die and heatsink. With this it allowed a relative improvement in temperature and overclocking headroom compared to the inferior or poorly applied intel thermal paste.
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You don't solder on heatsinks, you use thermal pads or paste..  If you could solder them on, then almost by definition they aren't good heatsinks.

I'll solder, and they are good. Don't worry. 450@ ~40..45C
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he actually responded to this issue a few pages back.  Shouldn't take too much time to find & he explains why he did this Smiley

OK find this:
"Exposing the copper on the bottom will increase the thermal coupling but i want to keep the heat sinks isolated.
(Important for water cooling, electrical corrosion)"

Well it makes difficult to solder heatsink on painted surface and using stripper will remove all paint. Not good. Electrical corrosion blah. If use same ground no broblem or use non conducting coolant.


You don't solder on heatsinks, you use thermal pads or paste..  If you could solder them on, then almost by definition they aren't good heatsinks.
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he actually responded to this issue a few pages back.  Shouldn't take too much time to find & he explains why he did this Smiley

OK find this:
"Exposing the copper on the bottom will increase the thermal coupling but i want to keep the heat sinks isolated.
(Important for water cooling, electrical corrosion)"

Well it makes difficult to solder heatsink on painted surface and using stripper will remove all paint. Not good. Electrical corrosion blah. If use same ground no broblem or use non conducting coolant.


Would have thought this is to prevent galvanic corrosion. Bonding grounds won't help I think it's dissimilar metals that form a cell.  The aluminium would likely act as an anode to protect the copper and corrode aggressively.  This will be a prob in watercooled systems that mix metal types e.g. Copper rad and Alu heatsink with water electrolyte.
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he actually responded to this issue a few pages back.  Shouldn't take too much time to find & he explains why he did this Smiley

OK find this:
"Exposing the copper on the bottom will increase the thermal coupling but i want to keep the heat sinks isolated.
(Important for water cooling, electrical corrosion)"

Well it makes difficult to solder heatsink on painted surface and using stripper will remove all paint. Not good. Electrical corrosion blah. If use same ground no broblem or use non conducting coolant.
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EMC sensitivity? oh boy! thats something you definitely not want with your mining board.

My contractor has already stocked all needed parts, 1st. batch of pcb's should arrive next week.


Fridge starts and K16 reset itself, laptop USB port generated noise lead 10% hw errors, but raspi usb port "only" ~1-2% hw erros. But you can read more in kolondike thread from pages ~80 -> (but do more important jobs first so we get boards Wink

Btw have your PCB's bottom full painted? I mean have chip thermal vias solder only? (Solder is better heat conductor than paint). Your three test PCB have full painted bottom. Avalon boards have paint free squares.

he actually responded to this issue a few pages back.  Shouldn't take too much time to find & he explains why he did this Smiley
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EMC sensitivity? oh boy! thats something you definitely not want with your mining board.

My contractor has already stocked all needed parts, 1st. batch of pcb's should arrive next week.


Fridge starts and K16 reset itself, laptop USB port generated noise lead 10% hw errors, but raspi usb port "only" ~1-2% hw erros. But you can read more in kolondike thread from pages ~80 -> (but do more important jobs first so we get boards Wink

Btw have your PCB's bottom full painted? I mean have chip thermal vias solder only? (Solder is better heat conductor than paint). Your three test PCB have full painted bottom. Avalon boards have paint free squares.
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Thanks both for the answers.
I think nothing bad will happen if i overload psu?
It will broke or just shut down automatic, it doesnt cost so much as 7970 or BitBurner20

PSU will die after a while if you run it overloaded. Voltage output will fluctuate, so your hardware can go wrong. I think you should buy a smaller PSU for the BitBurners, even a Thermaltake TR2 RX with 430W would be fair enough. And its cheap, ~ 50 USD.
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Thanks both for the answers.
I think nothing bad will happen if i overload psu?
It will broke or just shut down automatic, it doesnt cost so much as 7970 or BitBurner20
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Because Burnin says that his website is up in very short time, i have to ask:

I have some GPU:s mining currently and because of failing some GPU:s, on one of my computer i have currently only 1xRadeon 7970 on Corsair 850 Watt PSU.
There is no any reason to buy new GPU:s @ the moment, so will it be enough to power 3 x fully overclocked BitBurners(20 chip each), computer and also overclocked Radeon 7970?


I think we can NOT do the math for you, because we don't know how much power your other components need.
Just use google to look for the power needed by your peripherials, CPU, GPU, etc and subtract all that from your 850W....
If the remaining power is more than 300W (plus some safety of 50 - 100W?) you should not get into trouble....

best regards,
Florian

7970 eats 250W max even overclocked. I have a rig with only an Asus 7970DC2T, it pulls 360W from the wall. So you should be fine with the 3 BitBurners and one 7970. Smiley

Cheers!
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Because Burnin says that his website is up in very short time, i have to ask:

I have some GPU:s mining currently and because of failing some GPU:s, on one of my computer i have currently only 1xRadeon 7970 on Corsair 850 Watt PSU.
There is no any reason to buy new GPU:s @ the moment, so will it be enough to power 3 x fully overclocked BitBurners(20 chip each), computer and also overclocked Radeon 7970?


I think we can NOT do the math for you, because we don't know how much power your other components need.
Just use google to look for the power needed by your peripherials, CPU, GPU, etc and subtract all that from your 850W....
If the remaining power is more than 300W (plus some safety of 50 - 100W?) you should not get into trouble....

best regards,
Florian
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afaik the klondike is even more susceptible to this because all 16 chips are organized in one chain.

Kolondike have two chains 8 chip per chain. And weak regs so if plan oc ~ 6 chips per chain.. (and some communication broblem if "full" eight chip chain are used, atleast first pcb versions. And super sensitive to emc noise..)

EMC sensitivity? oh boy! thats something you definitely not want with your mining board.

@burnin ... How are orders and lead times with regards to the parts and components for the boards? Everybody is concerned about avalon chip delivery but forget that you might have to wait 3 months for a PIC or other part.

I think he said that everything is in place and he only needs the chips, but considering his shown professionalism you don't even need to ask that Smiley

My contractor has already stocked all needed parts, 1st. batch of pcb's should arrive next week.



Good news,, cant wait for ordering some of them   Grin .

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Gruß Sukki
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afaik the klondike is even more susceptible to this because all 16 chips are organized in one chain.

Kolondike have two chains 8 chip per chain. And weak regs so if plan oc ~ 6 chips per chain.. (and some communication broblem if "full" eight chip chain are used, atleast first pcb versions. And super sensitive to emc noise..)

EMC sensitivity? oh boy! thats something you definitely not want with your mining board.

@burnin ... How are orders and lead times with regards to the parts and components for the boards? Everybody is concerned about avalon chip delivery but forget that you might have to wait 3 months for a PIC or other part.

I think he said that everything is in place and he only needs the chips, but considering his shown professionalism you don't even need to ask that Smiley

My contractor has already stocked all needed parts, 1st. batch of pcb's should arrive next week.
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@burnin ... How are orders and lead times with regards to the parts and components for the boards? Everybody is concerned about avalon chip delivery but forget that you might have to wait 3 months for a PIC or other part.

I think he said that everything is in place and he only needs the chips, but considering his shown professionalism you don't even need to ask that Smiley
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@Burnin , any updates on the site, need any help, im the webmaster for Eligius and we just added a product section to our site.

Also I have some chips coming in the first order from zephir (when ever they show up, I marked you as the shipper, do I need to do anything else?)
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Because Burnin says that his website is up in very short time, i have to ask:

I have some GPU:s mining currently and because of failing some GPU:s, on one of my computer i have currently only 1xRadeon 7970 on Corsair 850 Watt PSU.
There is no any reason to buy new GPU:s @ the moment, so will it be enough to power 3 x fully overclocked BitBurners(20 chip each), computer and also overclocked Radeon 7970?
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@burnin ... How are orders and lead times with regards to the parts and components for the boards? Everybody is concerned about avalon chip delivery but forget that you might have to wait 3 months for a PIC or other part.
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So one board with heatsink is 150x100x45mm with heatsink (Fan size: 92mm) and can draw up to 100W including fan. Looks like more psu's are needed than i though.
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afaik the klondike is even more susceptible to this because all 16 chips are organized in one chain.

Kolondike have two chains 8 chip per chain. And weak regs so if plan oc ~ 6 chips per chain.. (and some communication broblem if "full" eight chip chain are used, atleast first pcb versions. And super sensitive to emc noise..)

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